Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by nhienphan2808 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:50 am

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nhienphan2808 wrote:I feel like this movie would exploit something about Vegeta and Vegetasei's past even more. The one that would be revived can be connected with Vegeta somehow. Jaco and Minus brought up so many questions about everyone. Haven't had any say about Vegeta's role as main, but at least i feel he would be the second main this time.

Yeah, maybe the new film has some connection with the Jaco story. I'd really expect that, so maybe it has something with the Galactic Lord, or something.
I've always thought the Galactic Force was a very interesting NEW thing to talk about. Since i was a kid i have been asking for a "official" force of Justice or polices looking at how evil Saiyans and Frieza was. In Bogs Vegeta still didn't view himself as a good person, showing very little remorse and Jaco was supposed to kill Goku but failed, and their connection with Saiyans was not pretty, so i can't help but hope they'll get some screentime in this movie alongside a bit of vegeta's past exposed. As we had 8-year-old rebelious asshole Vegeta in Minus in stead of anime 5 year old spoiled brat Vegeta so...it's like we don't know anything about his past now.

i want to know more about Tarble too. His chemistry with Vegeta doesn't look like he was the weak, useless, forgotten child. He was practically beaming seeing Vegeta and Vegeta was actually CHILL seeing him. They were separated for 40 years, how did they even know what their brothers looked like. Or we can expect Toriyama to do the unexpected. Is Tarble even the brother mentioned in Bogs ? I mean Toriyama ignored Vegeta, Goku and Bardock's anime counterparts.

Also, VEGETA's MOTHER. Goku's got a mom now, come on Toriyama.
ShadowWolf87 wrote:Freeza beat Goku, beat Vegeta, and destroyed the Earth. Even if no one else knows it, who does? Goku.
Who gets told it's his fault for being so careless? Goku.
Who has to live with that similar to how he wanted to make Freeza live with the fact he'd been beaten by what he considered trash, and have to live with that shame? Goku.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:10 pm

Zephyr wrote:What I gathered from the whole Godly ki thing was that divine beings have both "standard" ki, and godly ki. The standard ki is what the mortals would sense, and would generally be much, much lower than their godly ki.

So regarding a hypothetical Beerus vs Gogeta matchup in Movie 15, I would speculate that if Gogeta's mortal ki exceeded Beerus' godly ki, he would be able to win.
Nah, I go with the theory that says - God ki cant be sensed by average mortals because its so radically large, it cannot be comprehensed into an understandable objective number until they themselves are elevated into the plain. It to me is like trying to do long, long multiplication in your head, it seems impossible for the average person but with a caculator it becomes easily caculable. It must br that the gap is too large to simply sense under average boundaries.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 11:26 pm

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
Zephyr wrote:What I gathered from the whole Godly ki thing was that divine beings have both "standard" ki, and godly ki. The standard ki is what the mortals would sense, and would generally be much, much lower than their godly ki.

So regarding a hypothetical Beerus vs Gogeta matchup in Movie 15, I would speculate that if Gogeta's mortal ki exceeded Beerus' godly ki, he would be able to win.
Nah, I go with the theory that says - God ki cant be sensed by average mortals because its so radically large, it cannot be comprehensed into an understandable objective number until they themselves are elevated into the plain. It to me is like trying to do long, long multiplication in your head, it seems impossible for the average person but with a caculator it becomes easily caculable. It must br that the gap is too large to simply sense under average boundaries.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:21 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
Zephyr wrote:What I gathered from the whole Godly ki thing was that divine beings have both "standard" ki, and godly ki. The standard ki is what the mortals would sense, and would generally be much, much lower than their godly ki.

So regarding a hypothetical Beerus vs Gogeta matchup in Movie 15, I would speculate that if Gogeta's mortal ki exceeded Beerus' godly ki, he would be able to win.
Nah, I go with the theory that says - God ki cant be sensed by average mortals because its so radically large, it cannot be comprehensed into an understandable objective number until they themselves are elevated into the plain. It to me is like trying to do long, long multiplication in your head, it seems impossible for the average person but with a caculator it becomes easily caculable. It must br that the gap is too large to simply sense under average boundaries.
Kaio said that Nappa and Vegeta were stronger than he was.
I meant between Beerus, Whis and the humans. As I see it, King-Kai to the Supreme-Kai just have high overseeing authourity of what already exists but characters like Beerus-tier are overseers of natural forces themselves.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Low Tone G » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:59 pm

Nah, I go with the theory that says - God ki cant be sensed by average mortals because its so radically large, it cannot be comprehensed into an understandable objective number until they themselves are elevated into the plain. It to me is like trying to do long, long multiplication in your head, it seems impossible for the average person but with a caculator it becomes easily caculable. It must br that the gap is too large to simply sense under average boundaries.
I do not see the God Ki to be too large for humans/saiyans/namek and other mortal species to not be able to comprehense. It's simply another type of energy, which is more powerful than the stable stage of the highest amount of battle energy (normal Ki). Accoring to Toriyama there is a limit of Ki itself when it becomes too much to handle.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Chuquita » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:43 pm

Every time this thread gets bumped after a few days rest I end up thinking a news update happened. TuT

I know Saikyo Jump is going bi-monthly, does that mean one next month and not October, or none next month but one in October? I know sometimes DB movie news pops up there.

Nevermind, I see it's October.
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Post by FortuneSSJ » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:39 pm

Chuquita wrote:Every time this thread gets bumped after a few days rest I end up thinking a news update happened. TuT
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Post by Chuquita » Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:25 am

Thank you. It really is a rough wait.

A small theory in when an update will arrive:
-Toei updated their HaCha movie's website earlier today. It's been near-exactly two months since they initially started up that site, but we're also only a little under two months away from that film's theater release-date. (HaCha movie comes out October 11th.)
-DB15 website was started up at the end of July, so...update either at the end of September at the earliest, or late March at the latest? TuT
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread

Post by Doctor. » Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:08 pm

If it ends up the one who's revived has been dead for more than a year, what would be stopping Goku from reviving Gohan?

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:13 pm

Nothing really, other than the fact that Gohan doesn't want to be revived. By this point in time, it doesn't seem like something Goku would do anyway. He doesn't even go visit his friends that are alive for years at a time and he has teleportation.
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Post by Valerius Dover » Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:21 pm

Doctor. wrote:If it ends up the one who's revived has been dead for more than a year, what would be stopping Goku from reviving Gohan?
Say what? Gohan dead?
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Post by Doctor. » Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:26 pm

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Doctor. wrote:If it ends up the one who's revived has been dead for more than a year, what would be stopping Goku from reviving Gohan?
Say what? Gohan dead?
His grandfather.

And yeah, I remember now that Gohan said he didn't mind being dead.

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Post by soulnova » Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:29 pm

As someone mentioned it above, we already have Goku's mother, the next logical step would be to reveal Vegeta's and Tarble's mom on a flashback (heck, what if she's the one being revived? :lol: ). Other things I would love to see:
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  • Baby Pan + Baby Bra
  • The boys finally growing up. C'mon, Trunks should at least look like young Future Trunks. This actually bothers me.
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Post by Valerius Dover » Fri Aug 29, 2014 12:32 pm

Doctor. wrote:
His grandfather.

And yeah, I remember now that Gohan said he didn't mind being dead.
D'oh.... :lol:
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Post by Chuquita » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:01 pm

So much yes to getting to see babies Pan and Bura, and older Goten and Trunks. I feel like we've been stuck without them for so long.

I still hope there's more travel in this one. They can't stay in the backyard two films in a row, right?
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Post by JulieYBM » Fri Aug 29, 2014 1:04 pm

I do hope Toriyama has worked his "let's not destroy anything" out of his system. The storylines have to stop playing softball sometime, especially given just how good Toriyama is when he wants to be cruel.
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Post by Valerius Dover » Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:12 pm

Chuquita wrote:So much yes to getting to see babies Pan and Bura, and older Goten and Trunks. I feel like we've been stuck without them for so long.

I still hope there's more travel in this one. They can't stay in the backyard two films in a row, right?
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Post by Low Tone G » Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:21 pm

JulieYBM wrote:I do hope Toriyama has worked his "let's not destroy anything" out of his system. The storylines have to stop playing softball sometime, especially given just how good Toriyama is when he wants to be cruel.
Yeah, maybe he doesn't want to make too much destruction in Dragon Ball world, but it isn't excluded that the new movie will take place after the end of the manga. Nothing said that in must take place before the meeting wih Uub. I do not see if there is such a terrible wish that Toriyama wants to occur to take place before that Tenkaichi Budokai if it causes real problems and involves many of characters. The most logical secenarion would be that would take place after the end of manga, espacially that Bulma mentioned that she didn't meet Goku for 5 years when she scolds him in EoZ. So if the BOG events were that events when Bulma met Goku for the last time before EOz, then the New movie can take place after EOZ.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Aug 29, 2014 2:23 pm

I still doubt it's a villain from the past given that the Dragon Balls can't bring back anyone dead over a year. I would imagine past villains like Freeza and Cell would got their souls clean and been reborn as something else. I think the wish is to summon a god from another world to have Goku fight. I do hope they use the lizard design for Beerus for the next villain.
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Post by Chuquita » Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:20 pm

Re: gt

As in travel can still result in unsatisfying stories, or gt as in Toei intentionally avoiding the latter half of the ten years because they don't want people to see EOZ designs and be reminded of how awful gt was? Or something else?
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