The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:01 am

Lets stop with all of this pointless speculation on Freeza's training gains, clearly, he spent 4 months dodging Sorbet's ring and since that device is THE most powerful thing in all of Dragon Ball, you can see how hard he'd have to work to just barely survive it.
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Re: General What-If thread

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Hellspawn28 wrote:What if Gohan and Goku didn't break the Z sword?
He doesn't get his potential unlocked, Super/Ultimate/Mystic Gohan never happens, and when he returns to Earth, Super Boo easily defeats him and absorbs him. Then he goes after Goten, Trunks and Piccolo absorbs them too. Cue Goku and Vegeta with Vegetto becoming a thing and the story plays out like it originally does. Honestly, not much would change. Ultimate Gohan was quite a non-factor in the story.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Desassina » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:03 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Lets stop with all of this pointless speculation on Freeza's training gains, clearly, he spent 4 months dodging Sorbet's ring and since that device is THE most powerful thing in all of Dragon Ball, you can see how hard he'd have to work to just barely survive it.
I laughed! Good work, man. Fans ought to do this more often.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:21 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Lets stop with all of this pointless speculation on Freeza's training gains, clearly, he spent 4 months dodging Sorbet's ring and since that device is THE most powerful thing in all of Dragon Ball, you can see how hard he'd have to work to just barely survive it.
If Frieza trained using that ring he'd be dead.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:42 pm

What Piccolo unlocked a Super Namekian transformation while training in the RoSAT which multiplied his strength 50x?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:45 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:What Piccolo unlocked a Super Namekian transformation while training in the RoSAT which multiplied his strength 50x?
He kills Cell by sneezing on him then effortlessly murder stomps every one of Babidi's minions, Dabra included.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:46 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:What Piccolo unlocked a Super Namekian transformation while training in the RoSAT which multiplied his strength 50x?
He kills Cell by sneezing on him then effortlessly murder stomps every one of Babidi's minions, Dabra included.
How would be fare vs Super Buu?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:47 pm

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TheUltimateNinja wrote:What Piccolo unlocked a Super Namekian transformation while training in the RoSAT which multiplied his strength 50x?
He kills Cell by sneezing on him then effortlessly murder stomps every one of Babidi's minions, Dabra included.
How would be fare vs Super Buu?
I have him approaching SS3 Goku with a x50 increase so at best, he could beat Fat Boo with moderate to high difficulty but Super Boo is far beyond him.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:49 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
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He kills Cell by sneezing on him then effortlessly murder stomps every one of Babidi's minions, Dabra included.
How would be fare vs Super Buu?
I have him approaching SS3 Goku with a x50 increase so at best, he could beat Fat Boo with moderate to high difficulty but Super Boo is far beyond him.
Only SSJ3 Goku level with a 50x boost? Piccolo isn't that outclassed by SSJs, he should be at least SSJ3 Gotenks level, maybe even Ultimate Gohan.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:54 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Only SSJ3 Goku level with a 50x boost? Piccolo isn't that outclassed by SSJs, he should be at least SSJ3 Gotenks level, maybe even Ultimate Gohan.
I have Base Goku at around 80 million in his base which, when applying the SEG multipliers, give his SS3 form about 32 billion.

Kamiccolo in his "Base" pre-ROSAT would be about 500 million, by increasing it by fifty, he'd end up at 25 billion

SS3 Gotenks, Super Boo and Ultimate Gohan are well into the 200-300 billion range for me, making them all vastly superior to this hypothetical Piccolo and SS3 Goku.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:12 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Only SSJ3 Goku level with a 50x boost? Piccolo isn't that outclassed by SSJs, he should be at least SSJ3 Gotenks level, maybe even Ultimate Gohan.
I have Base Goku at around 80 million in his base which, when applying the SEG multipliers, give his SS3 form about 32 billion.

Kamiccolo in his "Base" pre-ROSAT would be about 500 million, by increasing it by fifty, he'd end up at 25 billion

SS3 Gotenks, Super Boo and Ultimate Gohan are well into the 200-300 billion range for me, making them all vastly superior to this hypothetical Piccolo and SS3 Goku.
Post RoSAT he should be in the same league as SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks, though a good deal weaker so by your numbers around 1,500,000,000 or so.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Noah » Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:29 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:He kills Cell by sneezing on him then effortlessly murder stomps every one of Babidi's minions, Dabra included.
How about Fat Boo and Super Boo?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:56 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Post RoSAT he should be in the same league as SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks, though a good deal weaker so by your numbers around 1,500,000,000 or so.
Oh, shit lol. I forgot this is post-ROSAT Piccolo. Still, if he was at 1.5 billion he'd only end up at 75 billion with an x50 increase. This still puts him at quite a big disadvantage against guys like Super Boo, Gohan and Super Vegetto. He could beat SS2 Gotenks at this stage though.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:00 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Post RoSAT he should be in the same league as SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Trunks, though a good deal weaker so by your numbers around 1,500,000,000 or so.
Oh, shit lol. I forgot this is post-ROSAT Piccolo. Still, if he was at 1.5 billion he'd only end up at 75 billion with an x50 increase. This still puts him at quite a big disadvantage against guys like Super Boo, Gohan and Super Vegetto. He could beat SS2 Gotenks at this stage though.
You have SSJ Gotenks = SSJ3 Goku?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by miguelnuva1 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:35 pm

Red eyed Piccolo would be about on par with ssj2 Gotenks just on a rough estimate.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:45 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:You have SSJ Gotenks = SSJ3 Goku?
More or less on par with him yeah.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:41 am

1) What if following Future Gohan and Future Trunks barely surviving their confrontation with the Androids, they had ran into Future Gowasu looking for an apprentice?

2) What if just before he would have died by going after Future Androids 17 and 18, Future Gohan had instead used the Potara from Future Gowasu to fuse with Future Trunks?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Nekis13 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:58 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) What if following Future Gohan and Future Trunks barely surviving their confrontation with the Androids, they had ran into Future Gowasu looking for an apprentice?
They either refuse or one of them becomes his apprentice. The Future Trunks saga in Super never happens.
2) What if just before he would have died by going after Future Androids 17 and 18, Future Gohan had instead used the Potara from Future Gowasu to fuse with Future Trunks?
Future Gohanks smokes the Androids, goes back in time to give Goku the medicine and easily destroys the Androids of that time. He also kills Cell when he comes out.

The Main Timeline is either screwed or has an easier time with Buu.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:53 pm

Nekis13 wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:1) What if following Future Gohan and Future Trunks barely surviving their confrontation with the Androids, they had ran into Future Gowasu looking for an apprentice?
They either refuse or one of them becomes his apprentice. The Future Trunks saga in Super never happens.
2) What if just before he would have died by going after Future Androids 17 and 18, Future Gohan had instead used the Potara from Future Gowasu to fuse with Future Trunks?
Future Gohanks smokes the Androids, goes back in time to give Goku the medicine and easily destroys the Androids of that time. He also kills Cell when he comes out.

The Main Timeline is either screwed or has an easier time with Buu.
1) What if Kid Trunks had gained the Super Trunks form from seeing his mother being knocked down by Beerus during Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods?

2) What if both Vegito (Future Trunks Saga) and Xeno Vegeks (Dark Empire Saga) came to the aid of Future Trunks and Future Bulma when Goku Black had attacked their hideout?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by nickzambuto » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:44 am

What if when Goku came back to fight the saiyans, he came back to life with a tail?

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