Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[TheSaiyanGod]

Goku was going to use Kaiohken against Toppo's full power... I guess they're more or less even.

We know that Goku hasn't gotten stronger since the Zamasu arc and that SsjR Black Goku (schyte) was stated to be tbe strongest character of the arc besides Beerus and the fusions.

This means that Toppo is weaker than SsjR Black.

Anyway, he's no match for Merged Zamasu, at all. He'd get one-shotted.

Merged Zamasu >>>>> SsjR Black Goku > Toppo = SsjB Goku.

This was only the opinion of a producer, not a fact or something that all the staff of the anime agree.

If Goku did not get stronger? If it had been 1 year since the end of the Black Saga, at some point he certainly trained, so much so that Black was so strong because he got the body of a Goku 1 year after the tournament

[pacz360]

New episode. Pretty straight forward this week.

Toppo appears to be equal or so to Super Saiyan Blue Goku Kaioken x 2 which should put him above the non powered up Merged Zamasu.

Jiran is even higher still and is the strongest in his universe. They said Toppo was #2? So anyone else like the Beerus lookalike would be weaker than that.

No idea what was going on with the preview showing Krillin holding his own against Basil though...

It's image training probably.

Can't be image training cause krillin had never met basil but something tells me whis has something to do with this.

[Zamasu55]

Goku was going to use Kaiohken against Toppo's full power... I guess they're more or less even.

We know that Goku hasn't gotten stronger since the Zamasu arc and that SsjR Black Goku (schyte) was stated to be tbe strongest character of the arc besides Beerus and the fusions.

This means that Toppo is weaker than SsjR Black.

Anyway, he's no match for Merged Zamasu, at all. He'd get one-shotted.

Merged Zamasu >>>>> SsjR Black Goku > Toppo = SsjB Goku.

This was only the opinion of a producer, not a fact or something that all the staff of the anime agree.

If Goku did not get stronger? If it had been 1 year since the end of the Black Saga, at some point he certainly trained, so much so that Black was so strong because he got the body of a Goku 1 year after the tournament

Not only did Goku not get stronger, he might as well have gotten weaker since Beerus states he's pretty rusty in episode 77.

[The gr]

New episode. Pretty straight forward this week.

Toppo appears to be equal or so to Super Saiyan Blue Goku Kaioken x 2 which should put him above the non powered up Merged Zamasu.

Jiran is even higher still and is the strongest in his universe. They said Toppo was #2? So anyone else like the Beerus lookalike would be weaker than that.

No idea what was going on with the preview showing Krillin holding his own against Basil though...

It's image training probably.

Can't be image training cause krillin had never met basil but something tells me whis has something to do with this.

let's not jump to conclusions yet, maybe goku told Killin to meditate and he told fight an opponent that look like basil. because goku could describe him for Killin

[Doctor.]

It's probably just Goku imagining how Kuririn would do against Basil to figure out if he's worthy of being on the team or not, seemed pretty obvious to me.

Goku pushed Toppo's shit in, I don't buy it that they're equal. Goku's much stronger, even without Kaioken.

[Freeza9000]

It's probably just Goku imagining how Kuririn would do against Basil to figure out if he's worthy of being on the team or not, seemed pretty obvious to me.

If that's the case, then I wonder what makes Goku think that someone like Krillin can handle someone like Basil who's like Boo tiers of strength.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Goku was going to use Kaiohken against Toppo's full power... I guess they're more or less even.

We know that Goku hasn't gotten stronger since the Zamasu arc and that SsjR Black Goku (schyte) was stated to be tbe strongest character of the arc besides Beerus and the fusions.

This means that Toppo is weaker than SsjR Black.

Anyway, he's no match for Merged Zamasu, at all. He'd get one-shotted.

Merged Zamasu >>>>> SsjR Black Goku > Toppo = SsjB Goku.

This was only the opinion of a producer, not a fact or something that all the staff of the anime agree.

If Goku did not get stronger? If it had been 1 year since the end of the Black Saga, at some point he certainly trained, so much so that Black was so strong because he got the body of a Goku 1 year after the tournament

Not only did Goku not get stronger, he might as well have gotten weaker since Beerus states he's pretty rusty in episode 77.

Goku ALWAYS trains.
He was rusty just before the Zen tournament began, but in 1 year he can train with Whis, then go back to earth, train on earth himself, among many other forms.
I can not believe he's been unemployed for a year.

Basically, he and Vegeta are still alive, and Black is dead, it's normal for them to get stronger than he is.

[pacz360]

It's probably just Goku imagining how Kuririn would do against Basil to figure out if he's worthy of being on the team or not, seemed pretty obvious to me.

Goku pushed Toppo's shit in, I don't buy it that they're equal. Goku's much stronger, even without Kaioken.

Toppo did survive goku Kamehameha with only a bit of his suit torn and begin use kaioken in this fight with toppo power level also rising had not the grand priest stoped them.

[Zamasu55]

It's probably just Goku imagining how Kuririn would do against Basil to figure out if he's worthy of being on the team or not, seemed pretty obvious to me.

Goku pushed Toppo's shit in, I don't buy it that they're equal. Goku's much stronger, even without Kaioken.

Beerus states Goku's exactly as strong as Toppo.

[MagmonKai]

It's probably just Goku imagining how Kuririn would do against Basil to figure out if he's worthy of being on the team or not, seemed pretty obvious to me.

Goku pushed Toppo's shit in, I don't buy it that they're equal. Goku's much stronger, even without Kaioken.

Beerus states Goku's exactly as strong as Toppo.

Beerus don't know squat. Goku is not exactly as strong as Toppo.

[Bullza]

Characters sure do fall down the ladder quickly in this series. Merged Zamasu seemed like he was gonna be unstoppable on first appearence and now you've got Toppo and this Jiren guy above that.

Not that they're probably as strong as him when he powered up but yeah characters don't stay at the top for very long. Even aside from the Gods and the Angels someone like Golden Frieza ain't even in the Top 10 anymore.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

So Krillin's ki control training was supposedly a massive improvement since he can fight on par with Basil. That or Basil is weaker than Namek Freeza without his drug.

[ZombieVito]

Characters sure do fall down the ladder quickly in this series. Merged Zamasu seemed like he was gonna be unstoppable on first appearence and now you've got Toppo and this Jiren guy above that.

Not that they're probably as strong as him when he powered up but yeah characters don't stay at the top for very long. Even aside from the Gods and the Angels someone like Golden Frieza ain't even in the Top 10 anymore.

Huh? How is Toppo stronger than Merged Zamasu?

[The gr]

So Krillin's ki control training was supposedly a massive improvement since he can fight on par with Basil. That or Basil is weaker than Namek Freeza without his drug.

Umm no, basil could one shot Namek frieza with ease with out the drug.And is too early to judge by looking at a preview,but it really looks like krillin is doing illusion training like the forest episode,so basically krillin is fighting an illusion or it could be goku thinking about krillin on how he will perform

[pacz360]

So Krillin's ki control training was supposedly a massive improvement since he can fight on par with Basil. That or Basil is weaker than Namek Freeza without his drug.

Umm no, basil could one shot Namek frieza with ease with out the drug.And is too early to judge by looking at a preview,but it really looks like krillin is doing illusion training like the forest episode,so basically krillin is fighting an illusion or it could be goku thinking about krillin on how he will perform

Depends Kuririn doesn't even know who or what basil looks like unless goku or gohan told him how he look or it could be goku imagining it how it could go down or maybe he's in the pendulum room from the z anime filler.
Oop looks like you mention part of what i said.

[The gr]

So Krillin's ki control training was supposedly a massive improvement since he can fight on par with Basil. That or Basil is weaker than Namek Freeza without his drug.

Umm no, basil could one shot Namek frieza with ease with out the drug.And is too early to judge by looking at a preview,but it really looks like krillin is doing illusion training like the forest episode,so basically krillin is fighting an illusion or it could be goku thinking about krillin on how he will perform

Depends Kuririn doesn't even know who or what basil looks like unless goku or gohan told him how he look or it could be goku imagining it how it could go down or maybe he's in the pendulum room from the z anime filler.
Oop looks like you mention part of what i said.

Yeah he is totally meditating and fighting illusion and maybe goku told krillin how Basil look like, seriously do people really believe Kuririn is in the majin Vegeta or in majin buu tier,I like krillin but that insane.And really basil is in Namek saga frieza tier,IDK but That statement is just hilarious and stupid

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

So Krillin's ki control training was supposedly a massive improvement since he can fight on par with Basil. That or Basil is weaker than Namek Freeza without his drug.

Umm no, basil could one shot Namek frieza with ease with out the drug.And is too early to judge by looking at a preview,but it really looks like krillin is doing illusion training like the forest episode,so basically krillin is fighting an illusion or it could be goku thinking about krillin on how he will perform

And Goku is envisioning Krillin fighting versions of opponents way weaker than they actually are for what reason?
Doesn't make much sense when he's choosing ten fighters based on strength, so what we see obviously has to be an accurate reflection of how Krillin would perform against the fighters in the Tournament of Power.

[pacz360]

Umm no, basil could one shot Namek frieza with ease with out the drug.And is too early to judge by looking at a preview,but it really looks like krillin is doing illusion training like the forest episode,so basically krillin is fighting an illusion or it could be goku thinking about krillin on how he will perform

Depends Kuririn doesn't even know who or what basil looks like unless goku or gohan told him how he look or it could be goku imagining it how it could go down or maybe he's in the pendulum room from the z anime filler.
Oop looks like you mention part of what i said.

Yeah he is totally meditating and fighting illusion and maybe goku told krillin how Basil look like, seriously do people really believe Kuririn is in the majin Vegeta or in majin buu tier,I like krillin but that insane.And really basil is in Namek saga frieza tier,IDK but That statement is just hilarious and stupid

I mean this super were talking about the guys at toei could bullshit some powerup for krillin to be at the tier but yeah we have to wait see next week episode.

[pacz360]

So Krillin's ki control training was supposedly a massive improvement since he can fight on par with Basil. That or Basil is weaker than Namek Freeza without his drug.

Umm no, basil could one shot Namek frieza with ease with out the drug.And is too early to judge by looking at a preview,but it really looks like krillin is doing illusion training like the forest episode,so basically krillin is fighting an illusion or it could be goku thinking about krillin on how he will perform

And Goku is envisioning Krillin fighting versions of opponents way weaker than they actually are for what reason?
Doesn't make much sense when he's choosing ten fighters based on strength, so what we see obviously has to be an accurate reflection of how Krillin would perform against the fighters in the Tournament of Power.

Could be but we need to see next week so don't jump the gun yet.

[The gr]

So Krillin's ki control training was supposedly a massive improvement since he can fight on par with Basil. That or Basil is weaker than Namek Freeza without his drug.

Umm no, basil could one shot Namek frieza with ease with out the drug.And is too early to judge by looking at a preview,but it really looks like krillin is doing illusion training like the forest episode,so basically krillin is fighting an illusion or it could be goku thinking about krillin on how he will perform

And Goku is envisioning Krillin fighting versions of opponents way weaker than they actually are for what reason?
Doesn't make much sense when he's choosing ten fighters based on strength, so what we see obviously has to be an accurate reflection of how Krillin would perform against the fighters in the Tournament of Power.

we really don't know yet,so let's not jump into conclusion

Depends Kuririn doesn't even know who or what basil looks like unless goku or gohan told him how he look or it could be goku imagining it how it could go down or maybe he's in the pendulum room from the z anime filler.
Oop looks like you mention part of what i said.

Yeah he is totally meditating and fighting illusion and maybe goku told krillin how Basil look like, seriously do people really believe Kuririn is in the majin Vegeta or in majin buu tier,I like krillin but that insane.And really basil is in Namek saga frieza tier,IDK but That statement is just hilarious and stupid

I mean this super were talking about the guys at toei could bullshit some powerup for krillin to be at the tier but yeah we have to wait see next week episode.

Dear God, please I don't want that, let's just wait for next week episode