The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:26 am

Kid Buu wrote:Buu Arc Krillin VS Third Form Freeza
I think Kuririn is strong enough to win.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Xeogran » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:45 am

Even Namek saga Kuririn would be enough, you know, Taiyoken+Kienzan combo and all. But that's of course without any plot induced stupidity.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:57 pm

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xmysticgohanx wrote:Ultimate Gohan > SSJ Gogeta because assuming the fusion dance boost is the same, there's no way SSJ Gogeta > SSJ3 Gotenks. With that being said (it changes his greatest feat) Broly decks everybody while listening to "Worst Behavior" by Drake 8)
This is SS3 Gogeta (from DBH), not normal SS Gogeta.
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This isn't M10 LSS Broli. This is an even stronger version of the LSS Broli that could make SS Gogeta bleed, but as a LSS3.
I'm aware of that. My point still stands. Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks should still be a somewhat good deal stronger than Gogeta. The Hakaio power up may be abit much for one of them on their own but together I still say Broly gets torn apart.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by xmysticgohanx » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:07 pm

Videl vs Kid Goku in his first appearance.
Canon is Jaco, Dragon Ball except for EoZ, Dragon Ball Super anime and manga (both are separate canons)
Kai >>> Z
Current Roshi/Kulilin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3 Gotenks

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by White Oni » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:33 pm

xmysticgohanx wrote:Videl vs Kid Goku in his first appearance.
Eh, this is a really hard one, because Videl has weird feats.

Goku could tank bullets... I'm not sure Videl has that sort of durability.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:23 pm

White Oni wrote:
xmysticgohanx wrote:Videl vs Kid Goku in his first appearance.
Eh, this is a really hard one, because Videl has weird feats.

Goku could tank bullets... I'm not sure Videl has that sort of durability.
She doesn't.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:52 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I'm aware of that. My point still stands. Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks should still be a somewhat good deal stronger than Gogeta.
Why would Gotenks be stronger than Gogeta when they are in the same form?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 5:56 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:I'm aware of that. My point still stands. Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks should still be a somewhat good deal stronger than Gogeta.
Why would Gotenks be stronger than Gogeta when they are in the same form?
I left out Gogeta because it's sheer overkill (and kinda forgot you included him). Two SSJ3 fusions and Gohan who you could basically call a third SSJ3 fusion due to being stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks would turn Broly into a red paste, regardless of LSSJ3 or a Hakaio power up.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by White Oni » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:16 pm

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White Oni wrote:
xmysticgohanx wrote:Videl vs Kid Goku in his first appearance.
Eh, this is a really hard one, because Videl has weird feats.

Goku could tank bullets... I'm not sure Videl has that sort of durability.
She doesn't.
Oh right!

Ok yeah. That wasn't even a direct shot, it was a medicated shot, since some of the force was lot in the deflection.

Goku took machine fun rounds to the back and shook it off.

Goku wins.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:18 pm

White Oni wrote: Oh right!

Ok yeah. That wasn't even a direct shot, it was a medicated shot, since some of the force was lot in the deflection.

Goku wins.
Unless Gohan deflecting it made the bullet faster. Goku once casually backhanded Chi-Chi through a wall by accident. Who's to say that drunk Gohan didn't deflect a bullet with greater force than what it was fired with?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:25 pm

Initial Kid Goku would one-shot Videl. As would most of the enemies in the first arc of the manga, like the bear bandit.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:31 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:I left out Gogeta because it's sheer overkill (and kinda forgot you included him). Two SSJ3 fusions and Gohan who you could basically call a third SSJ3 fusion due to being stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks would turn Broly into a red paste, regardless of LSSJ3 or a Hakaio power up.
I don't disagree with you, I also think they win. However, Gohan & Gotenks alone beating him as you described doesn't sound very realistic (being so overpowered I mean, I know you were jocking). I believe that SS3 Gogeta is a little stronger than Gohan, so I think they would have to be the 3 of them to beat him, especially with the SS3 time limit on the way as well.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Kid Buu » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:50 pm

SSJ1 Gohan Vs Cell if they actually fought
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:26 pm

I have Cell and Gohan as equals. Now if Cell is allowed to go full power, then he stomps.

70% Freeza vs Yakon.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:51 pm

Kid Buu wrote:SSJ1 Gohan Vs Cell if they actually fought
Assuming this is the Cell that fought Goku, Gohan should win. That Cell couldn't even touch him until he used his true speed.
I have Cell and Gohan as equals. Now if Cell is allowed to go full power, then he stomps.

70% Freeza vs Yakon.
They're about equal in power, but Freeza should win on part of possessing a lot of piercing and cutting techniques, and Yakon being a big target. We've also never seen Yakon use ki attacks or fly, even though I like to imagine that he can.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
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Post by White Oni » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:01 pm

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70% Freeza vs Yakon.
Yokon's planet = Yokon rapes

Somewhere with decent lighting = Frieza has this.

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Post by Darkron2151 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:22 pm

Trunks and Goten (Both Pre and Post ROSAT) vs. 2 Cell Jr.

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Post by White Oni » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:24 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Trunks and Goten (Both Pre and Post ROSAT) vs. 2 Cell Jr.
They get slaughtered both times.

Cell jr.s overwhelmed and destroyed cell games fighters.

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Post by ZombieVito » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:27 pm

They (Goten and Trunks) win both times.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:45 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Trunks and Goten (Both Pre and Post ROSAT) vs. 2 Cell Jr.
Goten fucks them up. They're on par with CG Z fighters are and post they're about Kid Gohan power.

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