The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:56 am

Piccolo, Krillin, Tenshinhan, and Gohan Vs Nappa

There's a brief part where Piccolo and Krillin save Tenshinhan from Nappa, but Gohan pussies out. What if Gohan did have the courage to fight Nappa? How would the fight have gone?

EDIT: Also, this is under the assumption that Vegeta lets Nappa go all out.
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Post by CordonBloo » Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:25 am

If Gohan was a more experienced fighter and less afraid, then I think he would have beaten Nappa.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:33 pm

Dr. Gero vs Lord Slug (After he restore his youth)

Dr. Gero vs. Giant Lord Slug

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:52 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:Dr. Gero vs Lord Slug (After he restore his youth)

Dr. Gero vs. Giant Lord Slug

Who wins?
Slug takes them both, in my opinion. Unless Gero manages to siphon off some of his energy.
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Post by Son Edo » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:21 pm

Gero wins both, in my opinion.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Luke Groundwalker » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:49 pm

Beerus vs. Baby Vegeta
Beerus vs. Super 17
Beerus vs Yi Xing Long
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:42 pm

Luke Groundwalker wrote:Beerus vs. Baby Vegeta
Beerus vs. Super 17
Beerus vs Yi Xing Long
Beerus wins in every fight.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by Kid Buu » Sat Aug 02, 2014 4:43 pm

Puar's ability to win

Vs

Chaozu's ability to lose
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:58 pm

Luke Groundwalker wrote:Beerus vs. Baby Vegeta
Beerus vs. Super 17
Beerus vs Yi Xing Long
No way of knowing. We don't know how strong Beerus really is, other than that he's a lot stronger than SSJG Goku, who we also do not know the general realm of power for. There's no one confirmed to be close enough to the BoG newbies to make any sort of educated guess when comparing them to previously introduced characters, other than "way stronger."
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:47 pm

21 TB

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:56 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Luke Groundwalker wrote:Beerus vs. Baby Vegeta
Beerus vs. Super 17
Beerus vs Yi Xing Long
No way of knowing.
There is a way of knowing, at least for the first 2. SS Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps" stronger than a Super Saiyan 4, and Oozaru Baby & Super #17 are around Super Saiyan 4 level (#17 is above it, but not extremely far above it). Then, in BoG, Beerus is implied to be far stronger than SS3 Vegetto (since Goku thought that if he & Vegeta merged, they would probably not be able to beat him, and then Beerus was stronger than Goku expected (same for the power of SSGod), and in the end we learn that this was actually 70% of his power).

So, assuming that Goku's line about Super Baby having the strongest ki he ever felt doesn't apply to the gods, we know that God Goku, Beerus, and Whis are stronger than almost everyone in GT, with only Super Yi Xing Long & SS4 Gogeta being the unknown.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:05 am

Beerus gets murder-stomped by Super Baby 1.
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Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 03, 2014 12:57 am

Beerus by default
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:00 am

Kid Buu wrote:Puar's ability to win

Vs

Chaozu's ability to lose
Puar > Kuririn > Chaozu :problem:
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Post by Son Edo » Sun Aug 03, 2014 1:01 am

TheGmGoken wrote:21 TB

Yamcha vs Nam
Namu probably.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:00 am

Underwater fight!

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Post by Luke Groundwalker » Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:22 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:There is a way of knowing, at least for the first 2. SS Vegetto is stated to be "perhaps" stronger than a Super Saiyan 4, and Oozaru Baby & Super #17 are around Super Saiyan 4 level (#17 is above it, but not extremely far above it). Then, in BoG, Beerus is implied to be far stronger than SS3 Vegetto (since Goku thought that if he & Vegeta merged, they would probably not be able to beat him, and then Beerus was stronger than Goku expected (same for the power of SSGod), and in the end we learn that this was actually 70% of his power).

So, assuming that Goku's line about Super Baby having the strongest ki he ever felt doesn't apply to the gods, we know that God Goku, Beerus, and Whis are stronger than almost everyone in GT, with only Super Yi Xing Long & SS4 Gogeta being the unknown.
Yeah normal ki and godly ki is definitely different. I'm of the thought that SSJ God is basically Goku attaining god ki outside of the normal realm of ki. This is why the form dissipates and just becomes one with Goku, because he's attaining a new ability pretty much rather than attaining a new "form" ala other SSJ forms. Kind of like how Gohan attains a great amount of power from Old Kai in Boo arc, that kind of melds with him without interfering on any transformation (and is so powerful he doesn't need to transform, which Toriyama has also stated by Goku's state of being where he doesn't need to use SSJ2 or 3 anymore).

It's hard to say how this all works out. Also, doesn't Goku lose a lot of his power when Pilaf turned him into a child via the dragonballs? That could explain how Goku gets nerfed after the wave of movies come out with more SSJGod-like forms and more ungodly powerful characters. It's very possible that Goku at the beginning of GT was much much stronger than what he ended up going, and him turning into a child basically forced him to start from scratch with the level of enemies he's facing. But obviously since the enemies are stronger than Boo, he has to go ahead of SSJ3 into SSJ4.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:13 pm

I think powerscale wise SSj3 Vegito would be stronger then SSj4 Goku. If SSjG Goku is stronger then any version of Vegito then it should be: SSjG Goku >SSj3 Vegito>SSj4 Goku>SSj Vegito.
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Post by ZombieVito » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:39 am

SSJ Goten (Buu) vs Kaioshin
SSJ Trunks (Buu) vs Kaioshin

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Son Edo » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:48 am

I don't know, the SSJ kids I guess :crazy:
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