Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Kakarot9001 wrote:I can't believed that Vegeta turns to the DARK SIDE... AGAIN!
Why Toriyama? Why make that to us? Majin Vegeta again? Why?
Who's saying that? Youre making assumptions based on nothing more than one line Freeza said. Calm down, we don't know yet
I don't think he would do it, the offer seems cheap now.
And more so, because Vegeta always hated Freeza...
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Sleeping until the tournament is over.
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Araki wrote:
These days people start throwing the words "filler" and "silce of life" everytime characters aren't punching each other. No matter if something is moving the plot or there's character exposition.
Imagine if DB started these days. It would go like this:
"hey, what's happening in Dragon Ball today?"
"Goku wants Mutenroshi to train him, so he's bringing him some chicks now."
"oh i see, just slice of life filler then. skippable. "
GokuRules987 wrote:seriously i just want goku to win! vegeta is a weakling he cant even get to super saiyan 3 and yet hes already making goku kiss his boot? How am i going to convince superman fans that goku is stronger than superman now? ;(
Ah, the Alpha and the Omega. As all life was created from Chaos...so shall it be DESTROYED!!!
The wails of machines | Singing cold harmony | Shifting air upward | Entranced by the breeze | Light pours like blood | Into a cosmic sea | Of stars crystallized | In a frozen symphony
Retan wrote:
This is where Vegeta proves he's good through and through, and takes on Freeza, who is offering him the universe.
Oh join the dark side moment, mind you frezia did have a degree of respect to him, looking at the trailer and going by the context it seems vegeta staring down at goku is where frieza is offering the deal 'kill Goku and join my side once more' part.
Bullza wrote:I'm just glad that the marketing is starting to pick up, I was getting concerned for a moment.
Marketing for this movie should have picked up months ago but you know never know what can happen with Toei.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Kakarot9001 wrote:I can't believe that Vegeta turns to the DARK SIDE... AGAIN!
Why Toriyama? Why make that to us? Majin Vegeta again? Why?
Calm down. Nothing suggests Vegeta even accepts the offer.
Yeah it's unlikely he'd take it at this point. He only cares about beating Kakarotto, nothing more. He'd never want to subjugate himself under Freeza. Vegeta doesn't put himself below anyone.
GokuRules987 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
GokuRules987 wrote:seriously i just want goku to win! vegeta is a weakling he cant even get to super saiyan 3 and yet hes already making goku kiss his boot? How am i going to convince superman fans that goku is stronger than superman now? ;(
...you can't be serious?
I am always serious!
You're kinda making us power level/strength guys look bad. Sure we like that stuff, but we don't give a crap if Superman is stronger than Goku. We like the characters, we like strength debates, but we don't care about our characters being unbeatable gods. If they were, that'd make them boring.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Frieza: I knew you'd choose wisely, Vegeta. Together, we will rule the entire universe!!!
Vegeta: No. I just never liked him. You're history too.
*Blasts Frieza into space dust and walks away into the sunset*
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Retan wrote:
This is where Vegeta proves he's good through and through, and takes on Freeza, who is offering him the universe.
Oh join the dark side moment, mind you frezia did have a degree of respect to him, looking at the trailer and going by the context it seems vegeta staring down at goku is where Freeza is offering the deal 'kill Goku and join my side once more' part.
Vegeta accepts and then he blows Goku to death, that's why Goku screams loud in the end of the trailer
TheGmGoken wrote:So they're playing up Vegeta's past (I know Vegeta ain't turning heel.).
Interesting. Just Freeza new form....
They suggested they were? Didn't sound like it. Freeza offered Vegeta a spot cause he was once part of his regime. That's all. Vegeta won't accept it though.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Tunjevina wrote:So much negativity...I'm just here to put a positive comment about the movie.
AWESOMEFUCKING TRAILER
Your kind is not welcome around these parts!
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Notes!
-Gokû's got sweat on his forehead at the start of this.
-Kuririn dodging in the forest looks cool.
-Sorbet's ring definitely does something; when he points it at the audience it lets out some kind of beam.
-MomoClo sounds so out of place. T_T It fits Sailor Moon Crystal fine, but it's just too high-pitched a song for the opener (Though Zenkai Power's high-pitched too, but that's an ending song, not an opener).
-CGI Jaco wasn't apparent to me until I tilted it so he wasn't running sideways; then it became super-obvious. >_<
-I like Bulma's new haircut.
-I also like how understated 18's reaction face is. X3
-CGI Freeza...I'm used to this from Precure, but it doesn't mean I approve of the use of CGI. :<
-quick shot of what I think is the continuation of the scene where sleepy!Beerus is shooting off that ki blast from the previous trailer.
-It is so nice to see base form Gokû fighting. I came into this fandom during early-mid Namek arc reruns, so I saw him way before I saw his ssj form. Base!Gokû is my favorite form of his after adorable, magenta haired ssjg mode.
-Gokû does have a matching burn mark on either side of that gi; he totally got blasted through (and then senzu bean'd?)
-Oh it was bleeding on the back of that burn mark too! You can see it when he gets kicked back.
-Not as bad on the front; Freeza shot at him from behind maybe?
-I dig Vegeta!hero!time. :3
-They've blown up Earth before (hello Buu arc!) but the CGI actually looks stylish here with that explosion. I guess the question is which characters made it off in time (and I guess we're wishing everything back with the Namek db's at the end; unless we go for cliffhanger ending).
-And wow, no Trunks or Goten. That is surreal.
Re: Freeza offering Vegeta to turn to the dark side
After he killed Vegeta once? Ballsy. o_O He still sees Vegeta as a possible asset.
Vegeta possibly going double-undercover and defeating Freeza from within is possible, but I don't think this movie's long enough for that.
So? It's a dark movie. Goten isn't a dark character and thus he doesn't fit in the film. A simple cameo of them fighting or a mention isn't too bad. The movie looks epic besides Gohan treatment and Freeza design. Everything else though
translation: I'm beaten up. Just have to accept that my man's Goten ain't make the cut
