FUNimation DBZ TV Blu-ray Official On-Going Thread

[dragonpiece]

FUNimation already said they are using the original masters they used for the Orange Bricks but are restoring it in a different way. So I am guessing no NEP's.

[SSJMan]

Iv noticed that the videos are in 720p 8 bit color (Really compressed as well) and and blu ray is 32 bit and 1080p with blu ray compression. so it looks a little flushed out. Oh well. I have a feeling that we wont get a good Idea what it will look like un tell it actually comes out.
Here is a longer sneak peek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRRuIJC4k_M

Maximum is 4:4:4. BD uses 4:2:2 which is 8-bit color.

WTF man:) Blu ray movies use anywhere between 10bit 12bit and even 32bit. Iv only seen them use 8 bit color for SD special fetchers. What I was trying to say is that the trailer is not going to give us a good Idea on what it will look like. Thats all

[Levlik]

FUNimation already said they are using the original masters they used for the Orange Bricks but are restoring it in a different way. So I am guessing no NEP's.

Well, they've always had the NEPs, just not the audio. With the localized Dragon Boxes it's a possibility that they may be able to use that audio with the masters they have. Highly unlikely, but it's a small possibility.

[bkev]

This set is for dub fans, hence the "original American version" comments in the trailer. If it's not dubbed they won't put it on the set.
edit: I mean I don't think they'll have Japanese-language only features like the DBox (ie the previews), but everything that's available dual language we'll get.

[AgitoZ]

This set is for dub fans, hence the "original American version" comments in the trailer.

I always saw this set and the Orange Bricks as the sets for the general masses. They probably have a familiarity of dub, but that's not why they buy 'em. They buy it cause it's DBZ.

[SSJMan]

This set is for dub fans, hence the "original American version" comments in the trailer. If it's not dubbed they won't put it on the set.
edit: I mean I don't think they'll have Japanese-language only features like the DBox (ie the previews), but everything that's available dual language we'll get.

The episode previews were made buy Fuji tv to get people to watch the next episode and not by Toei. From what I know it was a last minute decision by Toei to include previews for the dragon box release. I personally could care less about the Fuji tv previews.

[MoltenMan]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned, but it looks like the official Dragon Ball Z site updated with an ad for the Blu-Ray stuff. You click the ad and another window pops up with those two videos and a little information about each release.

I think this is looking really nice. I've been putting off buying a Blu-Ray player and I think I just found my reason to be buying one. I see the first set and second set are released a month apart from each other. That's okay, but for a show I've seen a million times and been released a million times, if you're going to put out less than twenty episodes per set, I wish they'd release more than that. Buuuut, you can't always get what you want.

[AgitoZ]

I don't know if anyone has mentioned, but it looks like the official Dragon Ball Z site updated with an ad for the Blu-Ray stuff. You click the ad and another window pops up with those two videos and a little information about each release.

People did. 2 pages ago.

[MoltenMan]

Haha, thanks. As many times as I've been back and forth in this topic I can't believe I missed that particular link. XD

I wonder if they'll keep these features going, or just any features going as these come out. I would think that after so many volumes they'd just drop it. I'm not a real video tech guy, but I do find the process interesting.

[Levlik]

I'm just hoping for a 1080p video trailer of some sort. The shots are impressive so far (Barring the laughable comparison between the 16mm opening and the 35mm textless one) but I'd really like to see it in motion in its native resolution.

[ect5150]

WTF man:) Blu ray movies use anywhere between 10bit 12bit and even 32bit. Iv only seen them use 8 bit color for SD special fetchers. What I was trying to say is that the trailer is not going to give us a good Idea on what it will look like. That's all

Don't know what to tell you other than take it up with the experts at the doom9 forums (which are the experts)

Check here for Bluray specs at doom9.

And I may have mistyped above. From the link above:

NOTE: This is discussion about settings that are for creating 100% compliant Blu-Ray structures, not for encoding from Blu-Ray sources to matroska/mp4 or other media
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1.5 OTHER REQUIRED PARAMETERS

8-bit (4:2:0) Colorspace is only allowed
Main and High profiles are allowed
Maximum 3 B-Frames is allowed
NAL-HRD Type 2 capable encoder is needed

The link give a bunch other specs for those interested. Also, here an screen shot from a bluray I have on my harddrive (HP and DH Part 1). Read the "Media Info"

All the BD discs I decode are like this. I've never seen one claim something higher than 8-bit color depth. I"m pretty sure the Kai BD discs are the same...

Either way, we are getting the best possible quality for these new discs regardless (and you're right, the YouTube 720P isn't a good comparison for looking at BD footage).

[SSJMan]

WTF man:) Blu ray movies use anywhere between 10bit 12bit and even 32bit. Iv only seen them use 8 bit color for SD special fetchers. What I was trying to say is that the trailer is not going to give us a good Idea on what it will look like. That's all

Don't know what to tell you other than take it up with the experts at the doom9 forums (which are the experts)

Check here for Bluray specs at doom9.

And I may have mistyped above. From the link above:

NOTE: This is discussion about settings that are for creating 100% compliant Blu-Ray structures, not for encoding from Blu-Ray sources to matroska/mp4 or other media
.
.
.
1.5 OTHER REQUIRED PARAMETERS

8-bit (4:2:0) Colorspace is only allowed
Main and High profiles are allowed
Maximum 3 B-Frames is allowed
NAL-HRD Type 2 capable encoder is needed

The link give a bunch other specs for those interested. Also, here an screen shot from a bluray I have on my harddrive (HP and DH Part 1). Read the "Media Info"

All the BD discs I decode are like this. I've never seen one claim something higher than 8-bit color depth. I"m pretty sure the Kai BD discs are the same...

Either way, we are getting the best possible quality for these new discs regardless (and you're right, the YouTube 720P isn't a good comparison for looking at BD footage).

I encode blu rays for a living. I am an expert. End of sorry man.

[The Tori-bot]

I encode blu rays for a living. I am an expert. End of sorry man.

I'm not sure that you just automatically "win" because you claim to encode Blu-rays. If a customer tells me the price of something they bought was wrong when I'm pretty sure it wasn't, then I don't dismiss them by saying "LOL k but I work here, bye," I explain to them how the discounts/pricings work and maybe do some register-wizardy to demonstrate. Surely if you are an expert, you could back up your argument and show/explain why ect5150 is wrong?

[SSJMan]

WTF man:) Blu ray movies use anywhere between 10bit 12bit and even 32bit. Iv only seen them use 8 bit color for SD special fetchers. What I was trying to say is that the trailer is not going to give us a good Idea on what it will look like. That's all

Don't know what to tell you other than take it up with the experts at the doom9 forums (which are the experts)

Check here for Bluray specs at doom9.

And I may have mistyped above. From the link above:

NOTE: This is discussion about settings that are for creating 100% compliant Blu-Ray structures, not for encoding from Blu-Ray sources to matroska/mp4 or other media
.
.
.
1.5 OTHER REQUIRED PARAMETERS

8-bit (4:2:0) Colorspace is only allowed
Main and High profiles are allowed
Maximum 3 B-Frames is allowed
NAL-HRD Type 2 capable encoder is needed

The link give a bunch other specs for those interested. Also, here an screen shot from a bluray I have on my harddrive (HP and DH Part 1). Read the "Media Info"

All the BD discs I decode are like this. I've never seen one claim something higher than 8-bit color depth. I"m pretty sure the Kai BD discs are the same...

Either way, we are getting the best possible quality for these new discs regardless (and you're right, the YouTube 720P isn't a good comparison for looking at BD footage).

sorry I got mad, Its just I do this for a living and it upset me when people think they know more about something that I do all day. Again I'm sorry. I took a photo form Kai then exported it in 8bit color. You will immediately notice the difference.
Kai 32bit

Kai in 8bit

[jjgp1112]

I know nothing about tech, but going off of what you guys are saying, the trailer seems to be 8k or whatever, while the Featurette about the clean-up process was in something higher because the colors look a lot more washed out and faded in the trailer.

[ect5150]

<snipped everything>
Kai 32bit
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd4 ... _1080p.jpg
Kai in 8bit
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd4 ... 172302.jpg

Yeah, I don't know what you are doing there, but both of those images you posted are 8-bit color (per channel, for a total or 24 bits). We can verify that via an image editor easily enough.

[Zestanor]

Blu-ray is YV12 (4:2:0), so 12 bit video. 8 bit Y (brightness) + 2 bit Cb (color difference involving blue) + 2 bit Cr (color difference involving red.) = 12 bit video. You can read about color subsampling on the Wiki, but basically in 4:2:2/YV12, each color aspect is 1/4 the resolution of the brightness aspect (hence 2 bits to 8 bits.)

That's the encoding side. That's YUV. However, the display color depth is 24 bit RGB. Each color channel gets 8 bits (8x3=24.) (32 bit has 8 more bits for transparency.) So technically you could call Blu-ray "8-bit," but like you just saw, that tends to confuse people. For the record, Kai in real 8 bit (2^8 colors) would look like this:


Don't worry guys. Funimation has made Blu-rays before.

Edit: 4:2:0 not 4:2:2

[ect5150]

That's the encoding side. That's YUV. However, the display color depth is 24 bit RGB.

Yeah, I'm looking at everything on the display side - not the encoding side. That's where the confusion came from. I'm familiar with the idea of YV12, but I never sat down and mapped out the number of bits for pixel for the stuff through the conversions. I tend to think of RGB since it's more natural (at least to me).

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Well, I apologize for starting a page-wide debate.

[Corpsecreate]

Well, I apologize for starting a page-wide debate.

I like debates, it gives me something read and in some cases, something to learn!