The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[Steven Bloodriver]

What if when Goku came back to fight the saiyans, he came back to life with a tail?

He would have then possessed greater stamina and endurance, perhaps even enough to use the 3 Times Kaioken to defeat Vegeta before the Saiyan Prince would have transformed into a Great Ape.

[Lunatic Fringe]

What if Goku arrived on Namek and showed up on the battlefield before Recoome could fight Vegeta, Kuririn, and Gohan?

[nickzambuto]

What if Goku arrived on Namek and showed up on the battlefield before Recoome could fight Vegeta, Kuririn, and Gohan?

He wouldn't have been so angry and serious if he didn't come to find his son lying in a heap with a snapped neck. He'd probably be into Recoome and Co's makeshift tournament. The trio would play Rock Paper Scissors, and events would proceed as normal until Vegeta fights Recoome. The question becomes, would Goku stop Krillin and Gohan from intervening? Would he just allow Vegeta to die? Maybe later in the series, but since this takes place before that crucial moment where Goku understood Vegeta's saiyan pride, I'll say he'd jump in once Recoome starts getting too brutal. Events would essentially remain the exact same, unless Gohan got a Zenkai from having his neck snapped, in which case he wouldn't possess the strength to prolong the Freeza fight like he did. Well, actually in this scenario events are accelerated since Recoome never fights Gohan and Krillin and jumps straight to being defeated by Goku, meaning Goku will enter the healing pod sooner and also emerge sooner, probably in time to see Freeza's third or maybe even second form.

Actually, that would mean Vegeta gets granted immortality since the Elder Namekian won't die until later. That's pretty significant. Let me get back to this later.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Vegeta went SSJ against Frieza?

[ekrolo2]

What if Vegeta went SSJ against Frieza?

He might barely win or they both kill one another.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

What if Vegeta went SSJ against Frieza?

He might barely win or they both kill one another.

Even if Vegeta won he would likely die by the explosion of Namek.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Vegeta went SSJ against Frieza?

He might barely win or they both kill one another.

Even if Vegeta won he would likely die by the explosion of Namek.

What if Vegeta went SSJ against Frieza?

He might barely win or they both kill one another.

Even if Vegeta won he would likely die by the explosion of Namek.

At this time Vegeta was significantly weaker than Goku so he'd probably get wrecked even with SSJ unless he doesn't allow Frieza to power up, which given his character is incredibly unlikely.

[ekrolo2]

At this time Vegeta was significantly weaker than Goku so he'd probably get wrecked even with SSJ unless he doesn't allow Frieza to power up, which given his character is incredibly unlikely.

Going by the Daizenshuu numbers Vegeta is around 500k weaker than Goku & Freeza, so about 2.5 million. Multiply that by 50 and you get 125 million, just a smidge over Freeza's maximum. Since Freeza never would've gotten damaged from the Spirit Bomb, his stamina wouldn't drop so quickly, meaning he and Vegeta would just beat the shit out of one another until one or both of them dropped dead. That is if Freeza doesn't just decide to blow the planet up and tank the blast while Vegeta dies in the vacuum of space.

[TheUltimateNinja]

At this time Vegeta was significantly weaker than Goku so he'd probably get wrecked even with SSJ unless he doesn't allow Frieza to power up, which given his character is incredibly unlikely.

Going by the Daizenshuu numbers Vegeta is around 500k weaker than Goku & Freeza, so about 2.5 million. Multiply that by 50 and you get 125 million, just a smidge over Freeza's maximum. Since Freeza never would've gotten damaged from the Spirit Bomb, his stamina wouldn't drop so quickly, meaning he and Vegeta would just beat the shit out of one another until one or both of them dropped dead. That is if Freeza doesn't just decide to blow the planet up and tank the blast while Vegeta dies in the vacuum of space.

Vegeta can't possibly be at 2.5 million, that would mean Goku is only 20% stronger than him and given Goku's far superior performance against Frieza the gap is clearly much greater. Vegeta would be 2.2 million at best.

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta can't possibly be at 2.5 million, that would mean Goku is only 20% stronger than him and given Goku's far superior performance against Frieza the gap is clearly much greater. Vegeta would be 2.2 million at best.

A 20% difference is proven to be enough for one guy to stomp another. With KKX2, Goku is 16,000 and Vegeta still bitch slaps him like a punk. Then, with the same gap against Zarbon and Dodoria, Vegeta completely dominates both of them. DB isn't like most other series when it comes to gaps in power, tiny ones are more than enough for one guy to smash another.

Here's how I see the numbers working out keeping with the Daizenshuu:

Freeza:
-535,000 (First Form)
-1,100,000 (Second Form)
- 1,600,000 (Third Form)
- 2,100,000 (Vegeta's estimate for Fourth Form Freeza based on past boosts)
- 3,000,000 (Actual Fourth Form)

Vegeta:
-500,000 (Against First Form Freeza)
-2,500,000 (Post-Last Zenkai)

Piccolo:
-250,000 (Pre-Nail)
-1,200,000 (Surpressed Post-Nail)

[TheUltimateNinja]

Vegeta can't possibly be at 2.5 million, that would mean Goku is only 20% stronger than him and given Goku's far superior performance against Frieza the gap is clearly much greater. Vegeta would be 2.2 million at best.

A 20% difference is proven to be enough for one guy to stomp another. With KKX2, Goku is 16,000 and Vegeta still bitch slaps him like a punk. Then, with the same gap against Zarbon and Dodoria, Vegeta completely dominates both of them. DB isn't like most other series when it comes to gaps in power, tiny ones are more than enough for one guy to smash another.

Here's how I see the numbers working out keeping with the Daizenshuu:

Freeza:
-535,000 (First Form)
-1,100,000 (Second Form)
- 1,600,000 (Third Form)
- 2,100,000 (Vegeta's estimate for Fourth Form Freeza based on past boosts)
- 3,000,000 (Actual Fourth Form)

Vegeta:
-500,000 (Against First Form Freeza)
-2,500,000 (Post-Last Zenkai)

Piccolo:
-250,000 (Pre-Nail)
-1,200,000 (Surpressed Post-Nail)

On the other hand, Vegeta is able to survive several hits from Kaioken x3 Goku and a Kamehameha from Kaioken x4 Goku and still keep fighting despite the huge power difference, and later on he even gets his tail sliced off and also gets hit by a Genki Dama yet he still isn't finished off. Also, he gets his ass beat by Kid Buu for quite a while and yet he doesn't die despite the massive gap in their power. Also, Nappa is able to put up a fight against Goku who by official levels is twice as strong as him.

[Hellspawn28]

I think if Vegeta went SSj against Freeza, Vegeta would probably kill Freeza quicker. He may have fought Goku and killed him. Vegeta would probably end up killing Gohan, Piccolo, Kuririn and Dende afterwards.

[coola]

What if Piccolo decided to go alone to Room of Spirit and Time after his fight with Cell, but before fight with Cyborgs?

[ekrolo2]

What if Piccolo decided to go alone to Room of Spirit and Time after his fight with Cell, but before fight with Cyborgs?

He wins the Cell Saga. His powering up antics would get Cell's attention and while he mops up the Androids, he catches Cell and effortlessly destroys him.

[Steven Bloodriver]

What if Piccolo decided to go alone to Room of Spirit and Time after his fight with Cell, but before fight with Cyborgs?

1) Android 17 would be a Park Ranger.

2) Android 18 would be interested in Piccolo.

3) Android 16 would go live in the wilderness.

4) Imperfect Cell would have been sent to become a permanent visitor of Mecha Frieza.

5) Super Vegeta would be destroyed by Piccolo.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Piccolo decided to go alone to Room of Spirit and Time after his fight with Cell, but before fight with Cyborgs?

17 and 18 kill everyone at Kame house, Goku goes there to try and save them and gets killed, Piccolo then exits the chamber and easily dispatches all 3 androids Cell sensing his huge power stays in hiding and continues to absorb humans until he has most of the world's population and his power is boosted beyond Semi-Perfect Cell level, he then heads for Piccolo and kills him and absorbs him, then he also takes Vegeta and Trunks out once they come out of the chamber. He then steals the time machine and goes to another timeline so he can absorb the androids there.

What if Piccolo decided to go alone to Room of Spirit and Time after his fight with Cell, but before fight with Cyborgs?

He wins the Cell Saga. His powering up antics would get Cell's attention and while he mops up the Androids, he catches Cell and effortlessly destroys him.

Cell's too sneaky for Piccolo to catch him.

What if Piccolo decided to go alone to Room of Spirit and Time after his fight with Cell, but before fight with Cyborgs?

1) Android 17 would be a Park Ranger.

2) Android 18 would be interested in Piccolo.

3) Android 16 would go live in the wilderness.

4) Imperfect Cell would have been sent to become a permanent visitor of Mecha Frieza.

5) Super Vegeta would be destroyed by Piccolo.

16, 17 and 18 would be dead. Cell would eventually surpass Piccolo and kill him, and also Vegeta and Trunks.

[ekrolo2]

He wins the Cell Saga. His powering up antics would get Cell's attention and while he mops up the Androids, he catches Cell and effortlessly destroys him.

Cell's too sneaky for Piccolo to catch him.
I mean, Cell would come running if he sensed Piccolo power up regardless of their difference in strength. The only reason Piccolo would do this is to fight the Androids and if Piccolo kills them, he's screwed.

[TheUltimateNinja]

He wins the Cell Saga. His powering up antics would get Cell's attention and while he mops up the Androids, he catches Cell and effortlessly destroys him.

Cell's too sneaky for Piccolo to catch him.
I mean, Cell would come running if he sensed Piccolo power up regardless of their difference in strength. The only reason Piccolo would do this is to fight the Androids and if Piccolo kills them, he's screwed.

Even if Cell did show up he would keep his distance, and once he sees that the androids have been dealt with he'd just book it again. Besides, upon sensing Piccolo's huge power level he'd realize that the androids aren't gonna make it.

[ekrolo2]

Even if Cell did show up he would keep his distance, and once he sees that the androids have been dealt with he'd just book it again. Besides, upon sensing Piccolo's huge power level he'd realize that the androids aren't gonna make it.

He'd still have to try and do something though, going back to find the Androids is the only reason he even came there. So, unless he plans to simply jump Trunks and get killed there, he's gonna try to at least distract Piccolo so he can absorb one of his targets.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Even if Cell did show up he would keep his distance, and once he sees that the androids have been dealt with he'd just book it again. Besides, upon sensing Piccolo's huge power level he'd realize that the androids aren't gonna make it.

He'd still have to try and do something though, going back to find the Androids is the only reason he even came there. So, unless he plans to simply jump Trunks and get killed there, he's gonna try to at least distract Piccolo so he can absorb one of his targets.

He could do the multi-form technique and have a clone distract Piccolo while the real him absorbs the androids.