The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kamiccolo9]

Yes, kaio slaps goku over the head and tells him that he can't be sensed, not "measured", "sensed." That's why his coming to kaio's planet was a surprise.

If he was able to be sensed but not measured, then that scene made absolutely no sense.

I don't care what the dub or fansub says, and you've already shown limited knowledge of the original lines. I'd like this to be validated before using it as proof for anything.

Also, Kaibitokai was sensed by Goku when he says "I believe we can take buu on now!" and goku says "we're no where near strong enough" or something to that effect.

Goku doesn't say that, the old Kaioshin does. Who is a god.

Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P11.2-4
Context: right after Kaioshin and Kibito merge
Kaioshin: “Oooh! Am-amazing! This is amazing power! Hahaah! [ ] Goku! I can fight too like this! I’ll go with you!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Don’t get carried away! No matter how strong you’ve become, you were never anything special. I doubt you could fight Boo head-on; you’d just end up getting absorbed. So stay here.”

[White Oni]

Yes, kaio slaps goku over the head and tells him that he can't be sensed, not "measured", "sensed." That's why his coming to kaio's planet was a surprise.

If he was able to be sensed but not measured, then that scene made absolutely no sense.

I don't care what the dub or fansub says, and you've already shown limited knowledge of the original lines. I'd like this to be validated before using it as proof for anything.

Also, Kaibitokai was sensed by Goku when he says "I believe we can take buu on now!" and goku says "we're no where near strong enough" or something to that effect.

Goku doesn't say that, the old Kaioshin does. Who is a god.

Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P11.2-4
Context: right after Kaioshin and Kibito merge
Kaioshin: “Oooh! Am-amazing! This is amazing power! Hahaah! [ ] Goku! I can fight too like this! I’ll go with you!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Don’t get carried away! No matter how strong you’ve become, you were never anything special. I doubt you could fight Boo head-on; you’d just end up getting absorbed. So stay here.”

You yourself suggested piccolo and kaio had God ki... Everyone here is capable of flaw, I'm not stating that my memory/reading is incapable of flaw, just that, from my understanding, what you're saying makes no sense.

It's already been shown that they don't... How are you going to deal with this?

Is Kaioshin a special case? Why isn't Kaio's ki the same as beerus? How was piccolo able to measure kaioshin's ki?

Exactly.

Either you're right about kaioshin being unreadable, and I'm right about piccolo having no idea how strong he was.

Or I'm right about kaioshin's energy being readable and piccolo's statement is still up in the air.

Either way I'm fine with the outcome, since all this was really about, was establishing that kaioshin isn't "dimensions above" piccolo in power.

[Kamiccolo9]

Yes, kaio slaps goku over the head and tells him that he can't be sensed, not "measured", "sensed." That's why his coming to kaio's planet was a surprise.

If he was able to be sensed but not measured, then that scene made absolutely no sense.

I don't care what the dub or fansub says, and you've already shown limited knowledge of the original lines. I'd like this to be validated before using it as proof for anything.

Also, Kaibitokai was sensed by Goku when he says "I believe we can take buu on now!" and goku says "we're no where near strong enough" or something to that effect.

Goku doesn't say that, the old Kaioshin does. Who is a god.

Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P11.2-4
Context: right after Kaioshin and Kibito merge
Kaioshin: “Oooh! Am-amazing! This is amazing power! Hahaah! [ ] Goku! I can fight too like this! I’ll go with you!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Don’t get carried away! No matter how strong you’ve become, you were never anything special. I doubt you could fight Boo head-on; you’d just end up getting absorbed. So stay here.”

You yourself suggested piccolo and kaio had God ki... Everyone here is capable of flaw, I'm not stating that my memory/reading is incapable of flaw, just that, from my understanding, what you're saying makes no sense.

It's already been shown that they don't... How are you going to deal with this?

Is Kaioshin a special case? Why isn't Kaio's ki the same as beerus? How was piccolo able to measure kaioshin's ki?

Exactly.

Either you're right about kaioshin being unreadable, and I'm right about piccolo having no idea how strong he was.

Or I'm right about kaioshin's energy being readable and piccolo's statement is still up in the air.

Either way I'm fine with the outcome, since all this was really about, was establishing that kaioshin isn't "dimensions above" piccolo in power.

I have no idea what you are saying in your second sentence.
Piccolo has a viable reason for possibly possessing some manner of godly ki, and, to my knowledge, nothing would prevent that from being true. He is literally part god.
I'd go with the use of "dimensions above" being used in terms of power by the same author meaning the exact same thing when used the 7th time. It's not that hard to figure out.

[White Oni]

I have no idea what you are saying in your second sentence.
Piccolo has a viable reason for possibly possessing some manner of godly ki, and, to my knowledge, nothing would prevent that from being true. He is literally part god.
I'd go with the use of "dimensions above" being used in terms of power by the same author meaning the exact same thing when used the 7th time. It's not that hard to figure out.

Really? A viable reason huh? How many times have they read kami's ki in DB alone? How many times has kamikillo had his ki read? Come on.

It's not that hard to figure out, yet what you're suggesting makes that very thing an impossibility...

If kaioshin's ki is unreadable, as you suggest, then piccolo's statement is inert at best, nonsensical at worst.

[Kamiccolo9]

I have no idea what you are saying in your second sentence.
Piccolo has a viable reason for possibly possessing some manner of godly ki, and, to my knowledge, nothing would prevent that from being true. He is literally part god.
I'd go with the use of "dimensions above" being used in terms of power by the same author meaning the exact same thing when used the 7th time. It's not that hard to figure out.

Really? A viable reason huh? How many times have they read kami's ki in DB alone? How many times has kamikillo had his ki read? Come on.

It's not that hard to figure out, yet what you're suggesting makes that very thing an impossibility...

If kaioshin's ki is unreadable, as you suggest, then piccolo's statement is inert at best, nonsensical at worst.

Again, Piccolo isn't a god, he possibly has some godly ki.

I honestly don't know if Kami has had his ki sensed. Can you provide examples?

[White Oni]

I have no idea what you are saying in your second sentence.
Piccolo has a viable reason for possibly possessing some manner of godly ki, and, to my knowledge, nothing would prevent that from being true. He is literally part god.
I'd go with the use of "dimensions above" being used in terms of power by the same author meaning the exact same thing when used the 7th time. It's not that hard to figure out.

Really? A viable reason huh? How many times have they read kami's ki in DB alone? How many times has kamikillo had his ki read? Come on.

It's not that hard to figure out, yet what you're suggesting makes that very thing an impossibility...

If kaioshin's ki is unreadable, as you suggest, then piccolo's statement is inert at best, nonsensical at worst.

Again, Piccolo isn't a god, he possibly has some godly ki.

I honestly don't know if Kami has had his ki sensed. Can you provide examples?

Every single time that people think Kai or piccolo is dead, someone says something to the effect of "No I still sense kami, HE'S OK! =D"

[Kamiccolo9]

Every single time that people think Kai or piccolo is dead, someone says something to the effect of "No I still sense kami, HE'S OK! =D"

Again, give me an example. I don't remember that ever happening.

[White Oni]

Every single time that people think Kai or piccolo is dead, someone says something to the effect of "No I still sense kami, HE'S OK! =D"

Again, give me an example. I don't remember that ever happening.

Before I do, did you read dragon ball?

[Kamiccolo9]

Every single time that people think Kai or piccolo is dead, someone says something to the effect of "No I still sense kami, HE'S OK! =D"

Again, give me an example. I don't remember that ever happening.

Before I do, did you read dragon ball?

I did. Now, if you would, provide an example of the instances you mentioned, please.

[Kaboom]

I think this is starting to get a little out of hand, not to mention a bit too off-topic. If anyone wants to carry on with an in-depth but respectful discussion about the "is Kaioshin REALLY stronger than Piccolo" topic, then a new thread would be a good idea. I know I'd have a thought or two to pitch in, at least.

[White Oni]

I did. Now, if you would, provide an example of the instances you mentioned, please.

I'm having a difficult time finding something on kami, as most of the times he's referenced to piccolo being alive, it's physically shown that he's still kicking, and not that he's sensed.

But kamikillo is clearly measured:

Spoiler:

Also, When Piccolo's ki changed, Trunks doesn't know who he is anymore, yet Krillin was able to tell he right away that it as a fusion of both kame and piccolo, suggesting he wasn't blind to how Kami's ki felt:

Spoiler:

[Kamiccolo9]

I did. Now, if you would, provide an example of the instances you mentioned, please.

I'm having a difficult time finding something on kami, as most of the times he's referenced to piccolo being alive, it's physically shown that he's still kicking, and not that he's sensed.

But kamikillo is clearly measured:

Spoiler:

Also, When Piccolo's ki changed, Trunks doesn't know who he is anymore, yet Krillin was able to tell he right away that it as a fusion of both kame and piccolo, suggesting he wasn't blind to how Kami's ki felt:

Spoiler:

I never claimed that Kamiccolo was a god. I said that he could quite possibly possess some godly abilities from Piccolo fusing with one.

Krillin already knew that Piccolo was going to fuse with Kami. He said as much when Piccolo took off after they all lost against 17 and 18.
Now, like Kaboom suggested, if you want to continue this, make a new thread for it. We're way off topic.

[White Oni]

I did. Now, if you would, provide an example of the instances you mentioned, please.

I'm having a difficult time finding something on kami, as most of the times he's referenced to piccolo being alive, it's physically shown that he's still kicking, and not that he's sensed.

But kamikillo is clearly measured:

Spoiler:

Also, When Piccolo's ki changed, Trunks doesn't know who he is anymore, yet Krillin was able to tell he right away that it as a fusion of both kame and piccolo, suggesting he wasn't blind to how Kami's ki felt:

Spoiler:

I never claimed that Kamiccolo was a god. I said that he could quite possibly possess some godly abilities from Piccolo fusing with one.

Krillin already knew that Piccolo was going to fuse with Kami. He said as much when Piccolo took off after they all lost against 17 and 18.
Now, like Kaboom suggested, if you want to continue this, make a new thread for it. We're way off topic.

Fair enough.

I supposed I've derailed things enough.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yes, kaio slaps goku over the head and tells him that he can't be sensed, not "measured", "sensed." That's why his coming to kaio's planet was a surprise.

With Goku & co. being able to sense Kaio's or Dende's location, it seems that what Kaio means is that Goku can't sense his power.

If he was able to be sensed but not measured, then that scene made absolutely no sense.

How so? Weak ki are difficult to track, and Beerus' & Whis' immeasurable for Goku ki would probably work like an extremely weak ki, which is why Goku couldn't sense them at all.

[GTx10]

Out of curiosity who wins between the SS God Son Goku VS any SS4 battle? I reckoned it was SSG Goku because:
1. Its the newest Super Saiyan form
2. Its a special movie transformation
3. The whole created, its a god thing/ god ki thing.

The form's whole god ki seems like something beyond a SS/Great Ape hybrid form in my opinion.

[CordonBloo]

SS4 was just a standard level up whereas SSG is like becoming a new order of being, so SSG hands down is superior (unless the ss4 can somehow survive for the duration).

[KentalSSJ6]

SS4 was just a standard level up whereas SSG is like becoming a new order of being, so SSG hands down is superior (unless the ss4 can somehow survive for the duration).

I HIGHLY doubt SSJG has a set multiplier. Personally I just see it as the result of the Saiyan who receive's the form's energy + energy from Saiyans involved in the ritual. Meaning, SSJG's power can be anywhere.

[GTx10]

The movie contradicts that, because Son Kun absorbs everyone's energy and becomes super strong. Piccolo, Beerus, and Whis shoot down the power up. SSG is more than "power on the surface" its a state of being. Goku is still a god after the transformation goes away.

[ZombieVito]

Base Vegetto vs SSJ3 Goku (Buu)

[KentalSSJ6]

Base Vegetto vs SSJ3 Goku (Buu)

SSJ3 Goku couldent even take on base Super Buu. Base Vegetto I place between Buutenks and Buuhan so Vegetto one shots.