The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:01 pm

First Match-ups:
  • Base Goku (CG) vs. 50% Freeza

    Base Goku (Buu) vs. 70% Freeza
Followed by:
  • Base Vegeta (CG) vs. 40% Freeza

    Base Vegeta (Buu/Pre-Majin) vs. 60% Freeza
And Lastly:
  • SSJ Goku (Buu) vs. Full-Power Perfect Cell

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:00 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Zombie wrote:SSJ Goten (Post RoSaT) vs SSJ Gohan (Buu).
Gohan wins.
RandomGuy96 wrote:I'm beginning to think that Goten and Trunks didn't get much more powerful at all in the ROSAT. They were only there for the equivalent of a week, and the only thing that indicates they had grown any stronger was just the set up to a gag.
The kids by themselves didn't get much stronger, it is Gotenks who got much stronger because of how multiplication works (Piccolo said that the small gains for the kids would become big gains for Gotenks I think), who did get stronger, but not as much as he & Piccolo originally thought.
I actually have them a bit weaker than him after RoSaT.

SSJ Goten: 30
-- Post RoSaT: 35

SSJ Gohan: 36

I guess he losses by skill.
First Match-ups:

Base Goku (CG) vs. 50% Freeza

Base Goku (Buu) vs. 70% Freeza

Followed by:

Base Vegeta (CG) vs. 40% Freeza

Base Vegeta (Buu/Pre-Majin) vs. 60% Freeza

And Lastly:

SSJ Goku (Buu) vs. Full-Power Perfect Cell
a) Base Goku (CG): 60,000,000
70% Freeza: 84,000,000

Goku losses unless he does a KK.

b) Base Vegeta (CG): 42,000,000
40% Freeza: 48,000,000

Vegeta losses after a good fight.

c) Base Vegeta (pre Majin): 78,000,000
60% Freeza: 72,000,000

Vegeta Wins!

d) SSJ Goku (Buu): 4,500,000,000
FP Perfect Cell: 6,000,000,000

Goku losses worse than before.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Zombie wrote:SSJ Goten (Post RoSaT) vs SSJ Gohan (Buu).
Gohan wins.
RandomGuy96 wrote:I'm beginning to think that Goten and Trunks didn't get much more powerful at all in the ROSAT. They were only there for the equivalent of a week, and the only thing that indicates they had grown any stronger was just the set up to a gag.
The kids by themselves didn't get much stronger, it is Gotenks who got much stronger because of how multiplication works (Piccolo said that the small gains for the kids would become big gains for Gotenks I think), who did get stronger, but not as much as he & Piccolo originally thought.
Gotenks getting stronger means the kids got stronger, as his power is based on theirs. What I'm saying is that I doubt either they or Gotenks gained much at all.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by White Oni » Tue Aug 12, 2014 5:49 pm

Doctor. wrote:Kaguya vs 23rd BT Son Goku

Pretty similar stats overall.
Ehhhh, it's really hard to tell, because te only people who have really faught Her have been at her level.
No way of really telling how fast she is or how strong her attacks are. (Except that It seems that she at least has one insta kill.)

If she can increase gravity to something like x10 and catch goku off guard, she might be able to poke him with those weird stick thingies, and watch him turn to ash.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Aug 12, 2014 6:53 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Gotenks getting stronger means the kids got stronger, as his power is based on theirs. What I'm saying is that I doubt either they or Gotenks gained much at all.
Not saying that all 3 of them didn't get stronger. What I'm saying is that even if Gotenks got much stronger, it doesn't mean that the kids got much stronger as well. The kids, by getting a little stronger, make Gotenks even more stronger. The same applies to their Super Saiyan forms.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Doctor. » Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:32 pm

White Oni wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Kaguya vs 23rd BT Son Goku

Pretty similar stats overall.
Ehhhh, it's really hard to tell, because te only people who have really faught Her have been at her level.
No way of really telling how fast she is or how strong her attacks are. (Except that It seems that she at least has one insta kill.)

If she can increase gravity to something like x10 and catch goku off guard, she might be able to poke him with those weird stick thingies, and watch him turn to ash.
She couldn't even handle her own gravity, though. Granted we don't even know how much it was.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:46 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Gotenks getting stronger means the kids got stronger, as his power is based on theirs. What I'm saying is that I doubt either they or Gotenks gained much at all.
Not saying that all 3 of them didn't get stronger. What I'm saying is that even if Gotenks got much stronger, it doesn't mean that the kids got much stronger as well. The kids, by getting a little stronger, make Gotenks even more stronger. The same applies to their Super Saiyan forms.
The kids and Gotenks should get proportionally stronger, i.e. if the kids get 10% stronger, so does Gotenks. So I don't see why this is relevant.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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SP Cell in place of Goku and Vegeta VS Metal Coola and his army of clones.
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Farmer Without Shotgun Vs DB: Evolution Yamcha
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KentalSSJ6 wrote:SP Cell in place of Goku and Vegeta VS Metal Coola and his army of clones.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Aug 13, 2014 7:27 pm

Kid Buu wrote:Farmer Without Shotgun Vs DB: Evolution Yamcha
Well don't they both have guns? Also I forget if E Yamcha has any skill at all. If not it could come down to battleground, proximity, and who's the better shot to decide the winner.
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Post by Doctor. » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:53 am

Videl post-training vs Yamcha (Start of DB)

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Post by Blade » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:24 am

Doctor. wrote:Videl post-training vs Yamcha (Start of DB)
Videl. Her power is horribly up-scaled. If we were to try and map her to a power level, she'd probably be well into the hundreds or at least comparable to the Saiyan arc era Z Senshi - even without any real ability to create Ki attacks. Not to mention that she has pretty much mastered Bukujutsu following her training with Gohan, whereas Yamcha isn't remotely close to being able to accomplish that feat at the start of Dragonball.

I know that must seem a little ridiculous logically speaking, as believe me, it is - but that's just Dragonball.
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Post by Rocketman » Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:47 am

Doctor. wrote:Videl post-training vs Yamcha (Start of DB)
Yamcha freezes up because omggirl and Videl kicks him in the face.

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Post by CordonBloo » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:01 pm

Yamcha has trained with Muten Roshi and Kaio-Sama, on a planet with 10x Earth's gravity. He also is proficient with chi techniques, flight and created the Sokidan Spinning Chi Bullet attack. Unfortunately as awesome as Videl is she doesn't stand much of a chance, although it is a good point that Yamcha is afraid of girls.

EDIT: Oh. Start of DB Yamcha? Yeah Videl wins by a lightyear.
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Post by Doctor. » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:20 pm

Hm aren't you guys overestimating Videl? Being able to learn Bukujutsu isn't that hard. Nor the mastery of Ki techniques, as was shown with Kid Goku. I highly doubt she could take out tigers and bears easily like Goku and Yamcha could. Mr. Satan broke 14 titles (something which was easily replicated by 21st BT fodders) and she's only a bit stronger.

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Post by CordonBloo » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:24 pm

I would say Buku-Jutsu is quite hard to learn by Earthling standards though, it took Goku right till the end of DB to master it. This aside, Videl regularly put herself in danger against armed criminals and was completely unharmed. She held her own against Spopovich, previous runner up in the Ten'kaichi Budokai while he was under the mind control and subsequent power boost of Bobbidi (+ could feel no pain and was able to survive having his neck broken). Videl trained fiercely all the time and I'm pretty sure Gohan mentions at one point that she was stronger than her father. Dragon Ball doesn't have many female characters let alone powerful ones, so lets at least give them credit where it's due. Videl would kick early-Yamcha's ass into next week.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:29 pm

CordonBloo wrote:I would say Buku-Jutsu is quite hard to learn by Earthling standards though, it took Goku right till the end of DB to master it.
It's not like Goku was training for years to learn it though.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:45 pm

Pistol bullet >>>>>>> Videl

Pistol Bullet <<< Goku

Yamcha =< Goku

Videl would break her foot if she tried to kick Yamcha.
Dragon Ball doesn't have many female characters let alone powerful ones, so lets at least give them credit where it's due. Videl would kick early-Yamcha's ass into next week.
Yamcha at the beginning of the series could punch Goku through several stone pillars, survive the same, and actually hurt Goku with his hits while axes would break over his head, and pistol bullets would just result in minor wounds. He could also survive several hits from Goku himself, even though Goku was strong enough to crush a boulder bigger than he was and kill a BEAR with one punch. Videl has nothing suggesting she's anywhere near that level; she has nothing suggesting that she's superhuman at all (though she's obviously stronger than someone of her size should be). Yamcha would just have to punch her once to break her.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:24 pm

SSJ3 Vegetto vs Beerus.

Mr.Buu vs SSJ2 Majin Vegeta/SSJ2 Vegeta (BoG).

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