"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Gohan is just an fucking loser. Goten is just an shitty ass Kid Goku clone and Trunks is just plain bad and annoying. I wound't watch anything db related if watch about that any of three characters.

I would drop Dragon Ball Super right now if was about any of these three fucking pieces of shit(Goten,Trunks and Gohan).
Besides we have Beerus,Vados,Champa,Whis,other characters and soon Piccolo as well.

[Chuquita]

Re: emperior

I misunderstood then; sorry about that.

There's plenty of things I like about Super and Dragon World in general; I also liked both the TV specials.

I guess I'm talking more in the vein of what would grab me enough to make a commitment to watching a weekly DB TV series. I really don't think I would bother investing my time if my favorite characters weren't in it. A long-running TV series asks way more than a standalone movie or TV special would of viewers.

I like EoZ Goten and EoZ Pan, but they're pretty much it from the next gen that I found interesting enough to follow along with (and then GT came along and created unpleasant versions of both of them and I was sad about that; I was hoping Super would avenge EoZ Pan after what happened in GT and that she would be more in line with her cheerful martial-arts-loving EoZ personality than her brash, pseudo-tsundere GT personality when/if she gets older in Super. EoZ Pan was cool to me because she was the first one who actually seemed to have stuff in common with Gokû--watching them hang out before the tournament was so cute--that's why I was really disappointed in GT Pan).


Re: Digimon

I'm used to this from Precure; which I've followed since I guess near the end of Fresh. They reboot even harder than Digimon; Precure is pretty much like "mad libs" where a different staff fills in their own details each year, but I enjoy it. Even though I'm leaning towards sitting out this year's installment (they're going hard-retro this year and I don't have any nostalgia for the earliest installments of Precure since I came in during Fresh) it doesn't dilute how much fun the genre can be imo.

I think it's easier to start with a fresh set of characters when you do so every year though; DB feels like too much of a different beast from Precure, Digimon, and the various Kamen Rider type shows where to me DB's more the characters and less the world. Digimon and Precure to me feel more about the world. Dragon Ball I'm more likely to lump in with stuff like Lupin III and Doraemon in how the characters are the brand.


Re: Goten and Trunks

I'm still sad they never bothered to age them up. I at least would've liked them to have gotten to the point where Goten gets his haircut so he's not copying Gokû's haircut anymore.

I'm also still worried about Bra. Has she been forgotten? They're awful close to the point where Bulma's supposed to have gotten pregnant with her.

[Noah]

For me is hard to connect DBS with EoZ, like you said when Super ends Goku probably would have surpassed Whis/Vados... So really why the f*** would he still be impressed by a kid that is Pure Boo-tier? Isn't Base God Goku stronger than Boo-han now? I don't see these things interconnecting, I hope we get an explanation in the future,
or else one of the two: DBS will be not canon or EoZ will be reconnected.

At first I wondered about that too but after RoF I think they'll use the same excuse they did for Freeza. Since Buu was born with a much higher power level than Freeza, Uub will probably have more potential. I'm not sure if this logic applies to the Kaioshin, Bojack, Broly, or any other character stronger than Freeza though.

A kid with access to Buu's power WITHOUT training is incredible, with training under a post Whis Goku, Uub could become ridiculously powerful.

Yeah, I'm guessing that will probably be their excuse, meh...

I find it stupid that people watch the show only for Goku and Vegeta.
GT had many flaws, it being ALL around Goku was one of them. There was no reason to not let the other characters fight the 7 Shadow Dragons. There was no reason not to include Gotenks and not to transform Gohan in a SSJ4 too. Also Pan never achieving SSJ and let's not forget Goku beats EVERY. SINGLE. VILLAIN. and the stupid universe adventure arc that was also executed very poorly.

You could say Super is all about Goku and Vegeta for now, but at least its surely less boring than GT and actually introduced new meaningful characters (Whis, Beerus, Champa, Vados)

We will judge Super better when it ends. At least its being written by Dragon Ball original creator.

No need to be rude, pal... But I respect your opinion, even though Goku and Vegeta are the main leads I would like other characters to have more screen time, what I hoping for U6 Arc it's new characters that could join them in the boat, a new Z team, that would be cool.

As for GT I don't think that was a "big flaw" IMO, I always saw that as an "natural course of things" I mean, characters got old, weaker and Goku was the only one that still could fight with newly powered enemies, but yea others characters could have their time to shine too and as you said the battle against the Seven Jaaku Ryuu had a great potential wasted by just leaving to Goku and Pan.

[dbzfan7]

My point is would that complaint still exist if Vegeta was more useful, but everyone else remained the same. Seeing Super I'm starting to think people really were just upset with Vegeta and no one else.

One my main complaints about Super is that it ONLY focuses on Goku and Vegeta. All that jazz about Goten, Trunks, and Gohan becoming the next generation during the Buu saga has been completely forgotten. Gohan just keeps getting weaker and weaker while Gotenks is only a joke character and appears for one gag and defuses. In RoF, Gotenks apparently doesn't' sense what's going on and in Super all he does is headbutt Tagoma under the belt. From my understanding, Super is mainly intended to sell merchandise. Goku and Vegeta are likely the most popular Z fighters so that's probably why they'll remain in the spotlight.

I have no problem with that. My issue is the ridiculous amount of superfluous characters. I want more characters to look forward to whether old or new, and not just extensions of Goku. Beerus and Whis feel more like extensions of Goku as we don't really get to learn or follow them very much (Outside the beginning of Super). They're simply a means to an end. Let's get to know them a lot more. See where they've been. What they strive for that isn't LOLZFOOD. I don't care if the entire superfluous cast is thrown away, so long as there's plenty of interesting characters that are focused on. Make Monaka and the U6 guys permanent stays and I'd be plenty happy so long as each and everyone of them gets some focus.

[Hellspawn28]

I still think Super will have time skips. Maybe the final episode can have Goku leaves Earth with Vegeta so that the two can finally settle their score 10-30 years later. Not to mention you have a lot of stories happen in just one year period too.

[Araki]

For me is hard to connect DBS with EoZ, like you said when Super ends Goku probably would have surpassed Whis/Vados... So really why the f*** would he still be impressed by a kid that is Pure Boo-tier? Isn't Base God Goku stronger than Boo-han now? I don't see these things interconnecting, I hope we get an explanation in the future,
or else one of the two: DBS will be not canon or EoZ will be reconnected.

At first I wondered about that too but after RoF I think they'll use the same excuse they did for Freeza. Since Buu was born with a much higher power level than Freeza, Uub will probably have more potential. I'm not sure if this logic applies to the Kaioshin, Bojack, Broly, or any other character stronger than Freeza though.

A kid with access to Buu's power WITHOUT training is incredible, with training under a post Whis Goku, Uub could become ridiculously powerful.

Yeah, I'm guessing that will probably be their excuse, meh...

I wouldn't say it's an "excuse", the situation is very different from Freeza's, as Uub can spend his whole life training with Goku. I mean, compare kid Goku to SSGSS Goku. Now think of a kid younger than Goku when the series began, who's as strong as Buu already. Why can't he get much, much stronger? Obviously, Goku doesn't think EoZ Uub is a challenge, but he sees on him the potential to become one, eventually. I thought the series made it clear.

As for GT I don't think that was a "big flaw" IMO, I always saw that as an "natural course of things" I mean, characters got old, weaker and Goku was the only one that still could fight with newly powered enemies

See EoZ and compare it to the way Uub was treated in GT. Or Vegeta, who was still training. Was it REALLY the natural course of things?

Also, don't forget the Saiyajins' prime is very long, so Vegeta wasn't old.

[SilverPlaqueVII]

I still think Super will have time skips. Maybe the final episode can have Goku leaves Earth with Vegeta so that the two can finally settle their score 10-30 years later. Not to mention you have a lot of stories happen in just one year period too.

Are you sure this will work? Super could take place in Age 789 and 790 meaning pushing GT aside from the main timeline.

[Chuquita]

IF they go the DBO route, I think the lead up to Gokû and Vegeta's final battle could be really interesting stuff (though it might be a bit too depressing for Super's mood). One of then suddenly experiencing onset aging and flipping out about it...

[Xeztin]

I honestly think the only way a new generation can carry on in U7 is if there are a time skip and I'm talking a 100 years or so time skip. Either that or age Goku into Grandpa Goku like that drawing Toriyama done. That'd actually be a jab at GT of making him younger
If they do a spin-off in another Universe then that gives them tons of room to do whatever they want as far as story goes. I do agree that it is far too late for Gohan to take over now, and I think GT ruined everyone's image of Goten. I don't know I just couldn't see EOZ Goten or Trunks carrying the DB franchise. I feel as if this casts (All of them including Goku and Vegeta) story is done by the EOZ and Super is just filling in the 10 year gap. I don't think Toriyama gives a crap about continuity though so we might see a DB Super sequel taking place years after EOZ with everyone still looking young.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

DBS could go on for over an 600 episodes if they want it to and it still could be in the same time period. Hell just look at Detective Conan, South Park,Family Guy, and Warhammer 40,000.

[Gyt Kaliba]

I'm honestly conflicted on if I'd like to eventually see an all new cast of characters established. On the one hand, I really don't want to see the characters I know and love completely left in the dust, but at the same time...if they're going to keep the series going, then eventually it's going to have to at the very least move to take place after the series, rather than in this same ten year gap period. Either that, or it's going to have to officially retcon that ending, and I don't really want that to happen, for a multitude of reasons. So in doing that, we definitely need to see an older Goten and Trunks at some point, preferably joined by the younger Pan and Oob, and for them to take a more active role in the series.

At the same time though, I am pretty intrigued by the idea of seeing the world of Dragon Ball long after things have moved on to an all new set of characters. That factor of Xenoverse and reading about Online was the most interesting thing about those to me - hell, I even quite liked that about the 'Goku Jr.' era we got to see in GT...to a degree. I'm not as much of a fan of it happening in a way where our new characters are clear descendants or new takes on our old cast. If you're going to take us that far ahead, then why not let the new set of characters...well, truly be new? Puck was fine, if he'd gotten to do more and started to train with Pan, for example, he would have been about ten times more interesting to me than Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. So if they do eventually bring us to an all new cast of characters, sans most everyone else we know and love, then it needs to be done creatively.

[Neon Z]

I still think Super will have time skips. Maybe the final episode can have Goku leaves Earth with Vegeta so that the two can finally settle their score 10-30 years later. Not to mention you have a lot of stories happen in just one year period too.

Are you sure this will work? Super could take place in Age 789 and 790 meaning pushing GT aside from the main timeline.

It's not like GT matters regarding what Super is doing. There are already many contradictions. Taking place one year before or after GT's period would be no different from what it's already doing regarding GT's validity.

[Hellspawn28]

GT is 20 years old. It's not that relevant to today's audience outside of Heroes. Most people watching TV in Japan probably never seen GT because it came out before they were born or didn't bother watch it.

[dbzfan7]

GT is 20 years old. It's not that relevant to today's audience outside of Heroes. Most people watching TV in Japan probably never seen GT because it came out before they are born or didn't bother watch it.

Considering how it's lasted all this time and is still included in guidebooks to this day. I don't think so. Those who know of Dragon Ball are plenty aware of GT.

[Michsi]

All that jazz about Goten, Trunks, and Gohan becoming the next generation during the Buu saga has been completely forgotten.

Regarding this, in the epilogue of the original series we're sorta, kinda shows how the new generation doesn't really care about the martial arts lifestyle , don't train. Gohan isn't interested in the tournament, Goten and Trunks didn't want to participate. Pan is the only exception, but then again Goten and Trunks were also enthusiastic about fighting when they were kids. So, technically, if they keep going this route they wouldn't be wrong.

[emperior]

I honestly hope Super won't become the type of serie when characters never age and the time never seems to pass.
If they want to take that route, just get Porunga and wish immortality for Goku and his friends, or make them drink whatever Master Roshi drank to never die.
But Goten and Trunks MUST age, they have no use as kids at the moment, at least make Adult Gotenks a thing.

[ChaosLordBrandon]

Goten and Trunks literary have zero focus put on them and there is an higher chance of Yamcha defeating SSB Goku than them actually being important.Also there is an almost zero chance of characters aging and there being another big time skip.

These things are the main focus of Super
- Story
- Characters
- Goku
- Vegeta
- Beerus
- Whis
- Piccolo
- Champa
- Vados
- World Building
- Characters
- New characters in general
- Bulma
- Jaco
- Character development
- Dragon Balls
- Aliens in general
- Gods in general
- Lore of Dragon Ball in general
- 12 universes in general
- Empires and Kingdoms in general
- Space in general
- Dimensions in general
- Hard work
- Comedy
- Food
The first ten on that list was confirmed before the first episode of Super even aired.
Also has any body here even seen some of the merchandise for Super? These seven characters (Goku,Vegeta,Vados,Champa,Beerus,Whis, and Piccolo.) are an gigantic proportion of it and the big seven main characters of Dragon Ball Super and the vast majority of people who are watching Super are completely fine with this now that we are getting to brand new content and me as well.

[Pannaliciour]

About this eoz problem, what if somewhere in Super they decide that all god powers will be gone/lost (maybe dragon balls) because some kind of reason. Then eoz will fit. But gt might be canon?

[ChaosLordBrandon]

That isn't going to happen with them just losing there god powers out of no where and there is no chance of trying to make GT and Super fit into the same canon.
GT is only relevant to Heroes because of SSJ4 and most of japan's current generation haven't even seen an single episode of it. Also Super has already dissed GT and directly contradicted GT multiple times with things such as:
- Goku and Vegeta never using any of the SSJ forms
- Beerus
- Whis
- Jaco
- Golden Freeza
- Feats ( Beerus and Goku has displayed better feats within the first 13 episodes of Super than GT did in 64.)
- SSG
- SSB
- 12 universes
- Super Dragon Balls
- What ever power up Piccolo is about to get
And a bunch of other stuff I don't feel like listing.

[Noah]

I wouldn't say it's an "excuse", the situation is very different from Freeza's, as Uub can spend his whole life training with Goku. I mean, compare kid Goku to SSGSS Goku. Now think of a kid younger than Goku when the series began, who's as strong as Buu already. Why can't he get much, much stronger? Obviously, Goku doesn't think EoZ Uub is a challenge, but he sees on him the potential to become one, eventually. I thought the series made it clear.

Yeah it made clear before all that GOD stuff, Base Goku was still weaker than a common SSJ, Oob had not the same raw BP was Kid Boo when he briefly fought Goku, it was implied that his powers were not latent yet, so Goku excitment was making sense until this point and he saw Oob as a challenge. But yea, now for not contradict EoZ they could use F "prodigy" excuse whenever they want, Oob could simply power jump to Boo-tier to a above God-tier in no matter of time.

See EoZ and compare it to the way Uub was treated in GT. Or Vegeta, who was still training. Was it REALLY the natural course of things?

Also, don't forget the Saiyajins' prime is very long, so Vegeta wasn't old.

I kinda agree with what you said about Oob, he had potential to be one of the main leads in GT after EoZ, but what if he wasn't just popular enough? Wasn't that the reason why Goku was the one to defeat Majin Boo instead of Gotenks or Gohan?

About people getting old and weak I was mainly talking about the humans, but about people getting weak and disinterested would be proper for Gohan, Goten, Trunks... Earth was in peace, half-breeds never cared much to fight or train. Even with Vegeta always training, he could never surpass Goku who was sparring with Boo reincarnation, I didn't like that he couldn't reach SSJ3 in GT, but he had his moments through the main story.