Official On-Going DBZ 2013 Movie Thread: "Battle of Gods"

[Cold Skin]

My concern is that since it didn't meet their expectations, the next one will have a lower budget / lower expectations / play it safe(r).

My fear exactly.
When they set an objective, it's for a reason, being below the objective will influence them in one way, being above will influence them in another way.
But there's a reason when you decide to set the bar at a specific number to say "this is what we'll use as an interpretation of the success rate: anything below means we failed to the objective, anything above means we reached the objective".

I'm afraid not reaching it, no matter how close it gets, will still be considered as "another Dragon Ball production that didn't reach the intended expectations that were already lower than for other successful mangas. Guys, when we do upcoming Dragon Ball things, let's not give it too much budgetary and creativity importance since it won't reach even a quite modest objective even with the best efforts, let's just do something quick and simple next times".

But then, there's still hope with the DVD/Blu-ray release: with the movie not yet being announced for international theaters, many fans around the world could cease the opportunity to import the disc as a way to finally see the movie for the first time (and with the best, official quality), and sales could skyrocket and make up for the missing theatrical sales to their eyes.

[Kakarot88]

Here's another trailer or maybe a music video of the song Hero...not really sure but it's got more Battle of Gods scenes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20fmwPIAcTo

[Mjb1985]

So to sum up the power related material in BOG is this what is shown?

Freeza > Base Goku
Ssj2 Vegeta ( Enraged ) > Ssj3 Goku
Beers > Anyone in Z
70% Beers ~ Super Saiyan God Goku
Whis > Beers

Is that everything?

[FortuneSSJ]

So to sum up the power related material in BOG is this what is shown?

Freeza > Base Goku
Ssj2 Vegeta ( Enraged ) > Ssj3 Goku
Beers > Anyone in Z
70% Beers ~ Super Saiyan God Goku
Whis > Beers

Is that everything?

yeah I think its everything. I just dont agree with the first one.
Seems like, in a way, goku didnt envolve at all.

[Draken]

I don't exactly agree with the second one either, since I'm not sure how Roshi knew Goku's full SSJ3 power nor how he could sense ki so accurately.

[Kakarot88]

So to sum up the power related material in BOG is this what is shown?

Freeza > Base Goku
Ssj2 Vegeta ( Enraged ) > Ssj3 Goku
Beers > Anyone in Z
70% Beers ~ Super Saiyan God Goku
Whis > Beers

Is that everything?

I've only seen a few clips and only one of Vegeta fighting Beerus...is Vegeta even at SS2 against Beerus? His aura didn't look beyond that of a Super Saiyan with electricty and all but I have not seen anything beyond some previews so I don't know...

Looking at a bootleg clip he looks like he has the spikier hair but still lacks the electric intense aura that Goku demonstrates when he goes SS2 against Beerus on Kaio's planet...if anybody has an answer who has seen the movie that'd be great!

[Mjb1985]

Considering how " canon " this movie is being treated, I don't think we really have an option. If this was the author's intent who are we to question it? If this is being treated as more of a continuation as opposed to a side story or alternate universe like many other Toei works that would be one thing. But everyone's free to accept what they want to.

I haven't played around with a Freeza > Base Saiyans list since years ago, but I bet it wouldn't be impossible.

There is a wide gap between 3 million and 120 million ( or 140-145 million like I prefer ). There's plenty of room for massive improvement.

I get the feeling people overrate gaps imo. We some really tight gaps with the scouter numbers.

Lets check a couple out.

Goku's 416 vs Piccolo's 408. This is an assumption but I feel there gap in power would be the same during the Raditz Saga as it was during the 23rd Budokai.

Piccolo is 98% of Goku. Now that's extremely tight. Yet, Goku is portrayed to be at an advantage against Piccolo ever so slightly. Maybe that's a skill issue , maybe not. But if a 2% gap can provide some a slight advantge, imagine what a 10% gap can do?

Lets see another one.

Goku's 16,000 vs Vegeta's 18,000

Goku is 88% of Vegeta and gets completely manhandled. It's even implied that Vegeta can quickly kill Goku with a blast. Goku at such a disadvantage that he is forced to use Kkx3 and finds it pointless to continue on with his Kaiokenx2 power.



So as you can see , really small gaps can lead to an overwhelming advantage. I'm under the assumption majority of the DB community widens these gaps which forces them to make big gaps in their power levels. I don't feel it's necessary though. If you use small gaps , Freeza > Base Goku shouldn't be an issue at all and you have plenty of space to fit the 2 sagas in.

[FortuneSSJ]

I've only seen a few clips and only one of Vegeta fighting Beerus...is Vegeta even at SS2 against Beerus? His aura didn't look beyond that of a Super Saiyan with electricty and all but I have not seen anything beyond some previews so I don't know...

Since they are lazy to put the electricty around him is too difficult to find if he's ssj or ssj2 there. Unlike goku and teen gohan, his hair dont change from ssj1 and without the electricty is hard to find it out. But since he could already reach that form, I will assume he was in that stage.

[Kakarot88]

I've only seen a few clips and only one of Vegeta fighting Beerus...is Vegeta even at SS2 against Beerus? His aura didn't look beyond that of a Super Saiyan with electricty and all but I have not seen anything beyond some previews so I don't know...

Since they are lazy to put the electricty around him is too difficult to find if he's ssj or ssj2 there. Unlike goku and teen gohan, his hair dont change from ssj1 and without the electricty is hard to find it out. But since he could already reach that form, I will assume he was in that stage.

I was thinking the same thing but when Goku went SS2 on Kaio's planet they did put the electricity around him. But lazy for sure if you can find the clips online you can see Gohan still has blond hair when they make Goku SS God...I really think they screwed up and tried to go back in and correct everything when that kid called them out on it lol. If you watch the preview of Gohan rushing Beerus his entire chest and all light up yellow like when he goes super saiyan even lol...so laziness may very well be the answer as Vegeta's hair does look spikier but that could also be due to better art...the world may never know,

[Chuquita]

Anyone agree that if this was a worldwide screening, they would've reached that goal in a few days time? I believe (not sure though) that most hardcore fans aren't to be found in Japan. And, as much as I dislike this fact, due to DragonBall Z Kai, DBZ gained popularity with a lot of young ones in western countries. I mean young as in people who were too little to have watched DBZ back in the actual DB/DBZ days.

I do think it would've reached that goal if they had also gone international. If you search battle of gods on twitter there are tons of English and Spanish tweets from people wanting to see the movie.

They even had an English option on the official movie site for a while too, so Shueisha must be aware.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Keep it alive and maybe do another one? Sure. My concern is that since it didn't meet their expectations, the next one will have a lower budget / lower expectations / play it safe(r).

Didn't think of it like that. Hmm...even just barely coming under their expectations could effect that I suppose. Still though, as much as I love how this movie shook things up some and had a lot of comedy as well as action, I wouldn't mind something returning to the more conventional format either, so long as it was actually crafted with care rather than...whatever you'd want to say things like the Slug movie or Bio-Broly were crafted with.

[FortuneSSJ]

Anyone agree that if this was a worldwide screening, they would've reached that goal in a few days time? I believe (not sure though) that most hardcore fans aren't to be found in Japan. And, as much as I dislike this fact, due to DragonBall Z Kai, DBZ gained popularity with a lot of young ones in western countries. I mean young as in people who were too little to have watched DBZ back in the actual DB/DBZ days.

I do think it would've reached that goal if they had also gone international. If you search battle of gods on twitter there are tons of English and Spanish tweets from people wanting to see the movie.

They even had an English option on the official movie site for a while too, so Shueisha must be aware.

For sure, no doubt about that. Japan is One Piece town now but Dragon Ball is still the most famous and cherished anime worldwide.
That goal would be a piece of cake.

[JulieYBM]

Keep it alive and maybe do another one? Sure. My concern is that since it didn't meet their expectations, the next one will have a lower budget / lower expectations / play it safe(r).

Didn't think of it like that. Hmm...even just barely coming under their expectations could effect that I suppose. Still though, as much as I love how this movie shook things up some and had a lot of comedy as well as action, I wouldn't mind something returning to the more conventional format either, so long as it was actually crafted with care rather than...whatever you'd want to say things like the Slug movie or Bio-Broly were crafted with.

While I'm positive the film has long since already back it's budget, I do agree with the concern that not meeting their goal (to say nothing of doing it in haste) will damage our chances of getting a second new movie with a better budget and creative staff. I'm also worried that it might mean not getting a director's cut, like other animated films over there sometimes get.

[B]

A simultaneous international release sounds extremely difficult to implement and monetize. You can't just call up every country in the world and say you want the film in theaters. Dangerous word here, but maybe patience is a virtue...?

[Hellspawn28]

It's a shame that it didn't reach 30 million seeing that Dragon Ball is more popular in Japan then it is in other parts of the world.

[Saiga]

On the other hand, maybe not reaching the goal will make them try better.

Fat chance, but we can hope right?

[Jackal puFF]

On the other hand, maybe not reaching the goal will make them try better.

Fat chance, but we can hope right?

Yup! I like the sound of that.

[Cold Skin]

On the other hand, maybe not reaching the goal will make them try better.

Fat chance, but we can hope right?

There's a difference between hope and dream!

If you were in Toei's shoes right now, would you really be in that light mood with a "let's put even more thoughts, efforts and money next time, and maybe just maybe, people will notice how great it is this time!" or would you be more like "we did more than ever before when it comes to this franchise, and they still don't want it?! Screw that, we're done trying so hard for so little results, let's go the cheap way. A cheap production for cheap results, that'll be better than a great production for cheap results."

Who could blame them: "wait, we give it our max AND as if it was not enough, we set a small objective in comparison to other franchises, and we still don't make it? That means what it means, people are not interested in that franchise even when we make it bigger than ever before... So let's stop making it bigger than ever before and go the simple road: since we won't meet a low objective anyway, why make efforts and spend money? Let's do it cheap next time."

Though, they could also pull off a Kai: if Japan doesn't show enough interest to Dragon Ball anymore and don't meet the objectives, they might simply end up being bypassed for much more profitable areas.
If they did it with Kai, they can do it with the rest if they feel it will be treated the same way by audiences.
They say it's when you've lost something that you realize how much you cared about it. If Kai's Boo saga wasn't a wake-up call for the Japanese audience (the one singing "stop showing interest and we'll logically stop giving it to you"), something else might remind them of that in the future...

[Saiga]

Well, with the complaints about the animation not being movie quality and stuff, I was under the impression that they really weren't trying their hardest with this. Plus the story totally blows

[Chuquita]

Re: BOG plot critique

I admit I would've liked more tension in the plot; they alluded to there being crazy amounts of tension in those early trailers and from what I've read there isn't nearly as much of that as I hoped there'd be. The only reason I can't bring myself to come down too hard on it is because they went and dangled "Goku with adorable magenta power-up" in front of my face and now ssjg is my favorite power-up for him. >_>

Vegeta having to pretend to be super-polite to keep Beerus from destroying the planet is fun, but I've encountered that sorta thing (nice OOC Vegeta) on the drawing/writing sides of fandom before so it's not really new, it's just new to see done in an official capacity. I do appreciate the B/V though; that's a really nice touch that I saw a bit of in the Jump Tour special.

I'm happy with BOG overall though. Leaving Goku with the knowledge that "yes, there is still way more out there for you to adventure though and still guys more powerful than you that you could potentially battle and test yourself against" makes me happy; it's like the opposite of the Jump Tour special in that way where he was all disappointed with how not-strong Abo and Cado were.

I say all of this without actually having seen the movie yet so my opinions could very well change post-watching.