"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[kinisking]

Why someone think he will skip ahead,he stopped doing this chapter 10,so seeing toyotaro rushing things is unlikely

Because the content of these episodes both seem unlikely to be in Toriyama's outline (At most, it's probably ''Goku rounds up fighters. 17 gets focus"), as well as them being character focused moments outside of just fighting, which Toyo doesn't really see to do that much of.

If any of this is in Toriyamas outline, then I doubt 17 would have any more prominence than Gohan and Piccolo training or Bras birth.

[ekrolo2]

Toyotaro is definitely gonna skip over all this team assembling stuff and he's gonna jump right into the main event.

Which I feel is for the best, as we already know everyone relevant is going to join, and Toriyama would never have devoted this much space to it either. The only characters we really need scenes with are some of the stranger choices like Kame-Sennin and #17. Even then, it doesn't need to be a big production.

I do hope we don't see the return of narration-box summaries, though. I'd like for Toyotaro to keep taking as many pages/chapters as he needs to keep it feeling like a coherent stand-alone story, as it has since the Universe 6 arc with the sole exception of that arc's summarized ending (which, even then, isn't too offensive, and contains more actual in-scene interactions than I'd remembered).

He seems to have long since moved away from abridgement, so I doubt we'll ever see a repeat of Toyotaro's handling of the first 3 arcs.

The Abridging was also probably contributed to the page count he had, I doubt he would've made the BoG arc & bits and pieces of U6 feel like summaries of the anime if he had more space to work with.

[LightBing]

The exhibition matches are very likely from Mr.Toriyama and therefore will be included in the manga. This intro introduced the tone, new characters and dynamics for the upcoming battle royale; it's essential.

The gathering of fighters should be extremely shorter than it's anime version. It really depends on Mr.Toriyama's outline, which honestly regarding this bit shouldn't be more than "the following fighters are recruited, #17 refuses at first and is now a cool detached character".
How much Toyotarõ wants to elaborate or add onto it is a question mark. He greatly expanded Future Trunks flashback so maybe a couple of characters get some 10/15 pages in the spotlight.

[emperior]

The exhibition matches are very likely from Mr.Toriyama and therefore will be included in the manga. This intro introduced the tone, new characters and dynamics for the upcoming battle royale; it's essential.

The gathering of fighters should be extremely shorter than it's anime version. It really depends on Mr.Toriyama's outline, which honestly regarding this bit shouldn't be more than "the following fighters are recruited, #17 refuses at first and is now a cool detached character".
How much Toyotarõ wants to elaborate or add onto it is a question mark. He greatly expanded Future Trunks flashback so maybe a couple of characters get some 10/15 pages in the spotlight.

The exhibition match is also essential to put everyone against Goku and it's likely it was Toriyama's idea.

[Ki Breaker]

The exhibition matches are very likely from Mr.Toriyama and therefore will be included in the manga. This intro introduced the tone, new characters and dynamics for the upcoming battle royale; it's essential.

The gathering of fighters should be extremely shorter than it's anime version. It really depends on Mr.Toriyama's outline, which honestly regarding this bit shouldn't be more than "the following fighters are recruited, #17 refuses at first and is now a cool detached character".
How much Toyotarõ wants to elaborate or add onto it is a question mark. He greatly expanded Future Trunks flashback so maybe a couple of characters get some 10/15 pages in the spotlight.

The exhibition match is also essential to put everyone against Goku and it's likely it was Toriyama's idea.

It also shows us where we can expect characters from other Universes to stand and give us a glimpse of every god and their interactions

[The gr]

The exhibition matches are very likely from Mr.Toriyama and therefore will be included in the manga. This intro introduced the tone, new characters and dynamics for the upcoming battle royale; it's essential.

The gathering of fighters should be extremely shorter than it's anime version. It really depends on Mr.Toriyama's outline, which honestly regarding this bit shouldn't be more than "the following fighters are recruited, #17 refuses at first and is now a cool detached character".
How much Toyotarõ wants to elaborate or add onto it is a question mark. He greatly expanded Future Trunks flashback so maybe a couple of characters get some 10/15 pages in the spotlight.

The exhibition match is also essential to put everyone against Goku and it's likely it was Toriyama's idea.

It also shows us where we can expect characters from other Universes to stand and give us a glimpse of every god and their interactions

and the rematch between u7 vs U11 and 9 would Have more weight thanks to preliminary, and right there it establish Gohan role,it would be a bad idea if toyotaro skipped Those, through I could see the recruitment part aside from #17,krillin and bra birth,insanely rushed.

the recruitment might have 3 chapters,one for the Bra birth and krillin,one for u11,the gods and kaioshin talking, skinny Buu and the last 6 Pages could be #17 and goku talking to each other,the next one goku recruits #17 after stopping normal poachers with no space ship, recruits tien and roshi in the dojo with no yurin, Gohan spars with piccolo , and the last Pages show team u7 training, and every universe with their teams formed

[TheMikado]

The exhibition match is also essential to put everyone against Goku and it's likely it was Toriyama's idea.

It also shows us where we can expect characters from other Universes to stand and give us a glimpse of every god and their interactions

and the rematch between u7 vs U11 and 9 would Have more weight thanks to preliminary, and right there it establish Gohan role,it would be a bad idea if toyotaro skipped Those, through I could see the recruitment part aside from #17,krillin and bra birth,insanely rushed.

the recruitment might have 3 chapters,one for the Bra birth and krillin,one for u11,the gods and kaioshin talking, skinny Buu and the last 6 Pages could be #17 and goku talking to each other,the next one goku recruits #17 after stopping normal poachers with no space ship, recruits tien and roshi in the dojo with no yurin, Gohan spars with piccolo , and the last Pages show team u7 training, and every universe with their teams formed

I dont see why its neccessary though. A formal meeting would do the same thing. Just like the Zamasu fight, the Pikkon/Cell Frieza fights, and various other fights have been added to the anime to make it more exciting and battle heavy, the same could be happening again. The outline could have just stated that all universes meet with Omniking to discuss and announce the tournament. It's possible Toei added the exhibition match as a way to add more fight scenes. Not saying its a bad choice, but there's little to say one way or the other if its in the outline yet.

[The gr]

I dont see why its neccessary though. A formal meeting would do the same thing. Just like the Zamasu fight, the Pikkon/Cell Frieza fights, and various other fights have been added to the anime to make it more exciting and battle heavy, the same could be happening again. The outline could have just stated that all universes meet with Omniking to discuss and announce the tournament. It's possible Toei added the exhibition match as a way to add more fight scenes. Not saying its a bad choice, but there's little to say one way or the other if its in the outline yet.

I think is necessary, Because is building up goku new rival, jiren the gray, but due of the manga skipping the sparring match between zamas and goku,it the preliminary​ won't appear,IMO it needs to happen, because​ i need a legit reason why the pride troopers and the other universe hates Goku, and not because they get triggered by watching a clip of Zeno and goku

[LightBing]

I thought this would be interesting, since it's been a hot topic in this thread. I made a poll to see the inclinations regarding Gogeta, Vegetto or "other" appearing next chapter.
Let's so who's good at predicting Toyotarõ and Mr.Toriyama.

Vote here: http://www.strawpoll.me/12717189/r
Please justify your vote here.

I voted for Vegetto. Having two Gods there is awfully convenient, plus a Potara vs Potara fight seems the most appropriate for the final fight. For Gogeta I think Toyotarõ would need to jump a few hoops to make it work, which isn't worth the trouble.
No fusion or fusing with Trunks is possible, still a slim chance.

[Grimlock]

Voted for Gogeta obviously, as I want Dragon Ball to leave the safe zone for a change and bring new/different stuff.

[The gr]

I thought this would be interesting, since it's been a hot topic in this thread. I made a poll to see the inclinations regarding Gogeta, Vegetto or "other" appearing next chapter.
Let's so who's good at predicting Toyotarõ and Mr.Toriyama.

Vote here: http://www.strawpoll.me/12717189/r
Please justify your vote here.

I voted for Vegetto. Having two Gods there is awfully convenient, plus a Potara vs Potara fight seems the most appropriate for the final fight. For Gogeta I think Toyotarõ would need to jump a few hoops to make it work, which isn't worth the trouble.
No fusion or fusing with Trunks is possible, still a slim chance.

I'm going with vegito, because it just makes More sense, and the potara will get retcon

[Ki Breaker]

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For some reason, the poll isn't accessible to me..
I will vote here instead..
My vote goes to vegetto, the recton is a big thing and toie won't Make that up

[TheMikado]

I dont see why its neccessary though. A formal meeting would do the same thing. Just like the Zamasu fight, the Pikkon/Cell Frieza fights, and various other fights have been added to the anime to make it more exciting and battle heavy, the same could be happening again. The outline could have just stated that all universes meet with Omniking to discuss and announce the tournament. It's possible Toei added the exhibition match as a way to add more fight scenes. Not saying its a bad choice, but there's little to say one way or the other if its in the outline yet.

I think is necessary, Because is building up goku new rival, jiren the gray, but due of the manga skipping the sparring match between zamas and goku,it the preliminary​ won't appear,IMO it needs to happen, because​ i need a legit reason why the pride troopers and the other universe hates Goku, and not because they get triggered by watching a clip of Zeno and goku

I guess what I'm saying is that Jiren his rival isn't even there. There's not really a shadowy mysterious figure there like we thought there would be.
In terms of what it added to the plot specifically, the exhibition isn't necessary to move the story forward from what we have seen so far. It isn't a question of if its better or not, but can they logically continue the story without an exhibition match actually happening and its a yes. So the only question that remains is will it appear in the manga. If not, its obvious it was never necessary to the story.

[emperior]

Voted for Vegetto because of the potara 1 hour limit information.

As for the exhibition match, I think it's in the outline also because of the AML thing and U9 being the lowest one with 1.86 score.

[Lord Beerus]

Voted for Vegetto. It's almost a certainty. He is a plot point in Toriyama's original story so I don't see him forgoing Vegetto for a movie character.

[KentalSSJ6]

Voted for Vegetto. It's almost a certainty. He is a plot point in Toriyama's original story so I don't see him forgoing Vegetto for a movie character.

Wasn't Gogeta Toriyama's original intent until he heard Toei was already doing that for Fusion Reborn so he crafted Vegetto to avoid stepping on toes?

[ekrolo2]

Voted for Vegetto. It's almost a certainty. He is a plot point in Toriyama's original story so I don't see him forgoing Vegetto for a movie character.

Wasn't Gogeta Toriyama's original intent until he heard Toei was already doing that for Fusion Reborn so he crafted Vegetto to avoid stepping on toes?

That's the tidbit I'm using to hold out hope for Gogeta but I'll settle for Vegetto Red just to shit in everyone's cereal.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I voted for Vegetto because that's the most likely option for a fusion. However, I rather see Toyotaro forsake the new potara info and use Gogeta.

Personally, I don't really see any of the in-universe "problems" (height, power, etc) that supposedly prevent his appearing as a significant issue needing to be worked around. Toriyama originally intended for Goku and Vegeta to fuse via the Metamorean dance against Boo, but changed to the potara after learning of the intended content of Movie 12. Despite this, he has continued to make references to both Goku and Vegeta knowing the technique (Vegeta refusing to do the silly dance after Goku suggested it inside Boo, as well as Goku suggesting a broad term 'fusion' still being unable to surpass Beerus in BoG), even if they've never used it. So I'd like to see him finally brought into the/a Toriyama continuity.

[MyNiggaGoku]

Voted for Vegetto.As much as I love Gogeta,I think one fusion between Goku & Vegeta is enough ( in the main canon,that is ).Also,I feel like I'm in the minority when I say I absolutely love the Potara retcon.We finally got an actual explanation on why they defused against Buu,no more headcanons & theories about that subject.

[Lord Beerus]

I just dawned on me, if Gogeta were to be used in the manga and he transformed into SSJG or SSJB, wouldn't that instantly burnout the time limit for the fusion? I mean, SSJ3 reduced the amount of time Gotenks could stay fused from 30 minutes to 5 minutes because of how insanely powerful SSJ3 was. I don't know SSJG or SSJB Gogeta would last 5 seconds.