Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Lord Beerus]

How Krillin managed to launch a Kamehameha that was EVEN with SSJB Goku for f***'s sake?! How could 18 was even able to SURVIVE after contacting his almighty godly energy?! This all was f****** insane!

Remember when Tien was able to hold down Semi Perfect Cell with a string of Kikoho's? Yeah. It's basically that all over again.

[Noah]

Remember when Tien was able to hold down Semi Perfect Cell with a string of Kikoho's? Yeah. It's basically that all over again.

Not a good comparison, that technique was just used for stalling time as Cell came back with 0 damage.

Krillin was able to push SSJB Goku's Kamehameha a little and 18 was able to kick it. Super implies that all Z Senshi were dumb to not do the same thing against Cell in his clash with SSJ2 Gohan.

[Bullza]

Base Gohan wasn't stronger than Piccolo. Both of them did the exact same against Tagoma: jackshit.

That's two different levels of Tagoma.

The Tagoma that stomped Piccolo was the Tagoma that Gohan said had power that rivalled his if he were in top condition.

The Tagoma that Gohan didn't do jackshaft to was the full powered Tagoma after Ginyu brought out his full power.

Ginyu Tagoma > Tagoma = Base Gohan > Piccolo

[Animelover5487]

How Krillin managed to launch a Kamehameha that was EVEN with SSJB Goku for f***'s sake?! How could 18 was even able to SURVIVE after contacting his almighty godly energy?! This all was f****** insane!

Remember when Tien was able to hold down Semi Perfect Cell with a string of Kikoho's? Yeah. It's basically that all over again.

Shin Kikoho is an extremely powerful technique with probably a tremendous multiplier. Kuririn was just using a standard Kamehameha.

[MasterVampire]

How Krillin managed to launch a Kamehameha that was EVEN with SSJB Goku for f***'s sake?! How could 18 was even able to SURVIVE after contacting his almighty godly energy?! This all was f****** insane!

This should be the episode that gets this thread locked

[HeroR]

Kuririn is at the same level, though a bit weaker, as the base Saiyans, as I speculated last week.

Not likely since Krillin can't sense god ki, something he should be able to do if he was in range of Goku's base form.

Both the intro and a preview from a magazine about the arc implied he unlocks it again. He never transforms into it so he doesn't have it yet.

I'm beginning to think that the base Saiyans are actually way weaker than Piccolo now. Lets see how next week goes.

So instead of getting stronger, Goku's base form gets weaker?

[HeroR]

It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.

Base Gohan was stronger than Piccolo. Piccolo was massively stronger than Android 18. Android 18 is stronger than Krillin said in both Resurrection F and this episode.

Yet Krillin is able to match up to Base Gohan quite well.

Again it makes you wonder if Piccolo was nerfed because there's a few things that really point toward it.

Base Gohan wasn't stronger than Piccolo. Both of them did the exact same against Tagoma: jackshit.

Gohan was stronger. Gohan actually pushed Tagoma back when Piccolo didn't do crap. Plus, Gohan got bear hugged by an elite mook who was equal to stronger than Piccolo, going by the Resurrection 'F' movie, unless you think Super nerf him.

[ZombieVito]

So instead of getting stronger, Goku's base form gets weaker?

Well their normal base power is unknown as of now. Let's see how the fight with Boo goes.

Gohan was stronger. Gohan actually pushed Tagoma back when Piccolo didn't do crap. Plus, Gohan got bear hugged by an elite mook who was equal to stronger than Piccolo, going by the Resurrection 'F' movie, unless you think Super nerf him.

That was a surprise attack and I see no reason to have Shisami higher than Zarbon in Super.

[SansrivaaL]

The BS it would bring if Goku doesnt even go SSJ against Boo the massive insult it would be for the characters besides krillin I mean Krillin was already tired from using x100 taioken and was still able to push back SSJB's KHH, just imagine if Boo who's supposed to be stronger cause he was training and even slimmed down, doesnt even force Goku to go SSJ..... oh Santa, christmas has came early.

[HeroR]

So instead of getting stronger, Goku's base form gets weaker?

Well their normal base power is unknown as of now. Let's see how the fight with Boo goes.

Gohan was stronger. Gohan actually pushed Tagoma back when Piccolo didn't do crap. Plus, Gohan got bear hugged by an elite mook who was equal to stronger than Piccolo, going by the Resurrection 'F' movie, unless you think Super nerf him.

That was a surprise attack and I see no reason to have Shisami higher than Zarbon in Super.

We know what they're normal base is since you can't prove when Goku used this super base form since it can't have god ki. Did he used it against Hit, but not Frost? If so, why didn't anyone comment on it?

Shisami is officially equal to Piccolo. Unless you have proof that he was nerf for Super specifically, you're, no offense, talking out of nowhere. And it wasn't a surprised attack. Tagamo was on guard since was giving Piccolo a beat down and Tagamo called Gohan the strongest fighter and he didn't know Gohan was a Super Saiyan.

The BS it would bring if Goku doesnt even go SSJ against Boo the massive insult it would be for the characters besides krillin I mean Krillin was already tired from using x100 taioken and was still able to push back SSJB's KHH, just imagine if Boo who's supposed to be stronger cause he was training and even slimmed down, doesnt even force Goku to go SSJ..... oh Santa, christmas has came early.

Buu is durable and can take punishment. Krillin can't. Meaning, Goku can used more force against Buu then he can against Krillin.

[SansrivaaL]

Buu is durable and can take punishment. Krillin can't. Meaning, Goku can used more force against Buu then he can against Krillin.

Krillin forced Goku to go SSJ because of Krillin's barrage of ki blasts, if Boo couldnt even force Goku to go SSJ, then hallelujah.

[ZombieVito]

We know what they're normal base is since you can't prove when Goku used this super base form since it can't have god ki. Did he used it against Hit, but not Frost? If so, why didn't anyone comment on it?

Shisami is officially equal to Piccolo. Unless you have proof that he was nerf for Super specifically, you're, no offense, talking out of nowhere. And it wasn't a surprised attack. Tagamo was on guard since was giving Piccolo a beat down and Tagamo called Gohan the strongest fighter and he didn't know Gohan was a Super Saiyan.

How the hell wasn't that a surprise attack? Tagoma was busy kicking the shit out of Piccolo, he never saw Gohan coming.

Any comparison made about Gohan and Piccolo was made when they were fighting Freeza's army and they weren't at full power there. PIccolo powers up before facing Tagoma so that confirms he was suppressed before.

Again, I see nothing that indicates Shisami is stronger in Super. Sorbet was even surprised Tagoma surpassed the Ginyu force so that confirms Shisami is still Zarbon tier.

[pacz360]

We know what they're normal base is since you can't prove when Goku used this super base form since it can't have god ki. Did he used it against Hit, but not Frost? If so, why didn't anyone comment on it?

Shisami is officially equal to Piccolo. Unless you have proof that he was nerf for Super specifically, you're, no offense, talking out of nowhere. And it wasn't a surprised attack. Tagamo was on guard since was giving Piccolo a beat down and Tagamo called Gohan the strongest fighter and he didn't know Gohan was a Super Saiyan.

How the hell wasn't that a surprise attack? Tagoma was busy kicking the shit out of Piccolo, he never saw Gohan coming.

Any comparison made about Gohan and Piccolo was made when they were fighting Freeza's army and they weren't at full power there. PIccolo powers up before facing Tagoma so that confirms he was suppressed before.

Again, I see nothing that indicates Shisami is stronger in Super. Sorbet was even surprised Tagoma surpassed the Ginyu force so that confirms Shisami is still Zarbon tier.

Considering it still push togama back while piccolo couldn't even do that at all not to mention imply inn base>=piccolo

[HeroR]

Buu is durable and can take punishment. Krillin can't. Meaning, Goku can used more force against Buu then he can against Krillin.

Krillin forced Goku to go SSJ because of Krillin's barrage of ki blasts, if Boo couldnt even force Goku to go SSJ, then hallelujah.

He went Super Saiyan because he didn't want to be 'ringed out'. Not the same as Krillin nearly killing him or something. Even then, Goku's base form even before he trained with Whis was stronger than the human characters.

We know what they're normal base is since you can't prove when Goku used this super base form since it can't have god ki. Did he used it against Hit, but not Frost? If so, why didn't anyone comment on it?

Shisami is officially equal to Piccolo. Unless you have proof that he was nerf for Super specifically, you're, no offense, talking out of nowhere. And it wasn't a surprised attack. Tagamo was on guard since was giving Piccolo a beat down and Tagamo called Gohan the strongest fighter and he didn't know Gohan was a Super Saiyan.

How the hell wasn't that a surprise attack? Tagoma was busy kicking the shit out of Piccolo, he never saw Gohan coming.

Any comparison made about Gohan and Piccolo was made when they were fighting Freeza's army and they weren't at full power there. PIccolo powers up before facing Tagoma so that confirms he was suppressed before.

Again, I see nothing that indicates Shisami is stronger in Super. Sorbet was even surprised Tagoma surpassed the Ginyu force so that confirms Shisami is still Zarbon tier.

Tagoma saw Gohan coming and even guarded. So no, wasn't off guard. If he was, he would be like when Gotenks hit him.

Neither was Gohan, yet he was still pegged as the strongest, not only by Tagoma, but also by Ginyu after he stole Tagoma's body.

You see nothing, therefore they nerf him. Doesn't work that way. The absent of evident isn't evident and it was confirmed in the movie that Shisami = Piccolo. Show me some evidence that show that Super made Shisami weaker to his movie counterpart. And Sobet's statement doesn't confirmed anything since Shisami was never said to be as strong as Zarbon to begin with. Only the same rank. Herms had a hold thing about this.

[SansrivaaL]

Buu is durable and can take punishment. Krillin can't. Meaning, Goku can used more force against Buu then he can against Krillin.

Krillin forced Goku to go SSJ because of Krillin's barrage of ki blasts, if Boo couldnt even force Goku to go SSJ, then hallelujah.

He went Super Saiyan because he didn't want to be 'ringed out'. Not the same as Krillin nearly killing him or something. Even then, Goku's base form even before he trained with Whis was stronger than the human characters.

His base form should have been more than enough to release a ki wave enough for Krillin's barrage of ki blasts, going SSJ is pushing it to hype Krillin.

[HeroR]

His base form should have been more than enough to release a ki wave enough for Krillin's barrage of ki blasts, going SSJ is pushing it to hype Krillin.

Goku chose not to do that, plain and simple. He didn't want to be pushed so he went Super Saiyan. That isn't hard to figure out.

[SansrivaaL]

His base form should have been more than enough to release a ki wave enough for Krillin's barrage of ki blasts, going SSJ is pushing it to hype Krillin.

Goku chose not to do that, plain and simple. He didn't want to be pushed so he went Super Saiyan. That isn't hard to figure out.

Obviously, what I'm saying is Goku's base should have been more than enough to deflect those, they're hyping characters at the expense of SSJ forms that should be out of the human tiers league, it's inconsistent, its bad writing, nothing more nothing less.

[HeroR]

Obviously, what I'm saying is Goku's base should have been more than enough to deflect those, they're hyping characters at the expense of SSJ forms that should be out of the human tiers league, it's inconsistent, its bad writing, nothing more nothing less.

I am not sure how they're 'hyping characters at the expense of SSJ forms' when we saw those same forms wrecked opponents much stronger than Krillin not even three episodes ago.

And really this 'it's bad writing' needs to stop. You not liking the characters doing something is not 'bad writing'. Especially when complaining about power levels.

[SansrivaaL]

Obviously, what I'm saying is Goku's base should have been more than enough to deflect those, they're hyping characters at the expense of SSJ forms that should be out of the human tiers league, it's inconsistent, its bad writing, nothing more nothing less.

I am not sure how they're 'hyping characters at the expense of SSJ forms' when we saw those same forms wrecked opponents much stronger than Krillin not even three episodes ago.

And really this 'it's bad writing' needs to stop. You not liking the characters doing something is not 'bad writing'. Especially when complaining about power levels.

They wrecked opponents much stronger than Krillin in SSJ because they werent that important characters that needed the hype, unlike Krillin who needs it for the tourny, wasnt this obvious?

No it doesnt if the story literally screams bad writting, having Goku go SSJ just to stop Krillin's attack was already bad, but decking SSJB as well? against a tired Krillin? if thats not bad writting then I dont know what is.

[ZombieVito]

Tagoma saw Gohan coming and even guarded. So no, wasn't off guard. If he was, he would be like when Gotenks hit him.

Neither was Gohan, yet he was still pegged as the strongest, not only by Tagoma, but also by Ginyu after he stole Tagoma's body.

You see nothing, therefore they nerf him. Doesn't work that way. The absent of evident isn't evident and it was confirmed in the movie that Shisami = Piccolo. Show me some evidence that show that Super made Shisami weaker to his movie counterpart. And Sobet's statement doesn't confirmed anything since Shisami was never said to be as strong as Zarbon to begin with. Only the same rank. Herms had a hold thing about this.

I suggest you watch the scene again. He didn't see Gohan.

I don't remember Ginyu saying he was the strongest in base. The only ones that did were Freeza and Tagoma and the latter can't even sense ki.

Mind giving the link where Herms said that?