The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan and Piccolo both seemed pretty confident that Piccolo would beat Freeza after he took off his weights, so probably him.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I'd like to know the chapter number just so I can check myself.

Here:

Chapter: Chapter 77, P.13.2-4
Context: Goku easily fights against Blue, not trying too hard. Blue admits he never faced such a threat.
Blue: “Gnnn... Oooh!!”
Goku: “Heh heh! No big dealio!”
Kuririn: “Goku’s amazing! He become even stronger than he was during the Tenkaichi Budoukai!!”
Blue: “You brat!! I've never encountered such insolence!! You’ll pay for this... Big time!!”
Goku: “So what? You want more?”

[Doctor.]

Hypothetical Pre-RoSaT SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Janemba
Tao vs #8
23rd BT Goku + Piccolo (start of Z) vs Raditz

[RandomGuy96]

Hypothetical Pre-RoSaT SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Janemba
Tao vs #8
23rd BT Goku + Piccolo (start of Z) vs Raditz

Gotenks one-shots. Janemba wasn't much stronger than SS3 Goku.

No real way to tell, but I'll say Tao.

Same thing happens.

[Rocketman]

Hypothetical Pre-RoSaT SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Janemba

Gotenks fucks around and defuses.

Tao vs #8

Hm...I'd probably say #8. Tao's an assassin, he'd first try stuff to insta-kill that wouldn't work on an android. Then 8 would clock him.

23rd BT Goku + Piccolo (start of Z) vs Raditz

...exactly the same? Goku was said to have not done much in the five years.

[Kid Buu]

General Blue Vs The Invisible Man

[Kaboom]

Hypothetical Pre-RoSaT SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Janemba
Tao vs #8
23rd BT Goku + Piccolo (start of Z) vs Raditz

1) I'm one of the rare few who are "okay" with the notion of Super Janemba being a powerhouse on par with Gotenks- or Gohan-absorbed Boo, so... Gotenks gets wrecked. I'd be surprised if he even lasts long enough to run out of energy and defuse.
2) I'm not sure about this one. As far as I remember, Eighter's strength wasn't made clear in the manga, and my guidebook-source trivia on him is rusty...
3) No noticeable difference from the fight as we saw it in the manga. It's still suicidal attacks or bust.

[dbgtFO]

I'd like to know the chapter number just so I can check myself.

Here:

Chapter: Chapter 77, P.13.2-4
Context: Goku easily fights against Blue, not trying too hard. Blue admits he never faced such a threat.
Blue: “Gnnn... Oooh!!”
Goku: “Heh heh! No big dealio!”
Kuririn: “Goku’s amazing! He become even stronger than he was during the Tenkaichi Budoukai!!”
Blue: “You brat!! I've never encountered such insolence!! You’ll pay for this... Big time!!”
Goku: “So what? You want more?”

Oh, that.
I read your previous post as if Krillin noted Goku was getting stronger during the fight with Jackie Chun.

[Doctor.]

What I meant by the third fight would be to ask if Goku would still have enough strength to hold Raditz down.

Regarding #8, Goku was impressed by his strength and said he was stronger than him. Later when he faced Tao, he said he was the most powerful opponent he faced yet, iirc.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Hypothetical Pre-RoSaT SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Janemba

Janemba all day every day. Gotenks would probably loses to Janemba like he did Buu

[CordonBloo]

I think 8 would beat Taopaipai if he actually fought him, but you'd have a difficult time getting him to want to fight. However after Taopaipai got his cyborg body, he might be stronger.

[ZombieVito]

Kirano vs Ranfan
Kirano vs Bacterian

Videl (post Ki training) vs Ranfan
Videl (post Ki training) vs Bacterian

Videl (post Ki training) vs Kirano

Evil Buu (The gray one) vs Pure Buu

[Kamiccolo9]

Kirano vs Ranfan
Kirano vs Bacterian

Videl (post Ki training) vs Ranfan
Videl (post Ki training) vs Bacterian

Videl (post Ki training) vs Kirano

Evil Buu (The gray one) vs Pure Buu

Dunno who Kirano is.

Not sure where to put Ranfan. I don't think she's superhuman like Namu or Chappa though. Videl should take this.
Bacterian wins via gag power.

I think the two Buu's are equal, given their similar showings against Mr. Buu. I would give it to Pure Buu, due to his more numerous feats, but I could see it going either way. I just wish we had more Gray Buu stuff to compare with.

[ZombieVito]

This is Kirano: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Kirano

[Kamiccolo9]

Let's bring out some Marvel.

Kingpin vs Yamcha (first appearance)

Wolverine vs Tao

Spider-Man vs Tambourine

Iron Fist vs Jackie Chun (21st Budokai)

Nova (Post-Annihilation) vs Buu Arc Goku

Ultron (Ultron Initiative) vs Androids 16-20

Silver Surfer (Post-Annihilation) vs Vegetto

Gladiator vs Baby Vegeta

.....That should be good for now. This'll be fun

[RandomGuy96]

Let's bring out some Marvel.

Kingpin vs Yamcha (first appearance)

Wolverine vs Tao

Spider-Man vs Tambourine

Iron Fist vs Jackie Chun (21st Budokai)

Nova (Post-Annihilation) vs Buu Arc Goku

Ultron (Ultron Initiative) vs Androids 16-20

Silver Surfer (Post-Annihilation) vs Vegetto

Gladiator vs Baby Vegeta

.....That should be good for now. This'll be fun

Kingpin is just a really strong human... or at least he is supposed to be. Yamcha stomps, he went toe to toe with someone who could crush boulders, one shot bears, and throw cars.

Depends on how much of a fanboy the writer is.

Tambourine stomps so hard it's not even funny. Spiderman would be better matched against someone at the 21st Budokai.

No idea.

No idea.

Probably Ultron.

No idea.

I'd say Baby Vegeta.

[KentalSSJ6]

Not sure what Kingpin's combat capabilities are but Yamcha was able to take on Goku for a little bit and Goku was already more or less impervious to gunfire and such so id say Yamcha.

Id say Logan's adamantium skeleton would render a lot of Tao's attacks such as the wet willie of death (as I call it) useless. So if Logan can keep up with Tao speed wise hed take it too.

I can see it going both ways with Spidey vs Tambourine, guess id have to say which Spiderman its is whos fighting.

Id say Muten Roshi. He was able to fight on par with Goku for the majority of their fight and did end up winning. he also has has the hypnotic lullaby and the lightning attack (if it really is lightning and not just lightning like Ki).

I know next to nothing about Nova outside of MVC3 but I know he has a advantage over Goku in the fact he does not have to worry about breathing in space. Id say it depends on whether or not Nova can get Goku off the earth and into a vacuum.

Id say Vegetto. Id place Goku just below Surfer in terms of Marvel tiers.

Gladiator easily if his feats on comicvine are accurate, said to be able to destroy planets with his blows. Can go for long periods without sleep or food, can survive in space unaided, and can endure the core of a sun with little effort. Forget Baby Vegeta, Gladiator seems to be Buu arc level and above.

EDIT - If by Baby Vegeta you mean Bebi Vegeta from GT, then id still say Gladiator if he is fully confident he can win (his skills and powers depend on his level of confidence). At first I thought you meant a literal Baby Vegeta.

[Kamiccolo9]

Let's bring out some Marvel.

Kingpin vs Yamcha (first appearance)

Wolverine vs Tao

Spider-Man vs Tambourine

Iron Fist vs Jackie Chun (21st Budokai)

Nova (Post-Annihilation) vs Buu Arc Goku

Ultron (Ultron Initiative) vs Androids 16-20

Silver Surfer (Post-Annihilation) vs Vegetto

Gladiator vs Baby Vegeta

.....That should be good for now. This'll be fun

Kingpin is just a really strong human... or at least he is supposed to be. Yamcha stomps, he went toe to toe with someone who could crush boulders, one shot bears, and throw cars.

Depends on how much of a fanboy the writer is.

Tambourine stomps so hard it's not even funny. Spiderman would be better matched against someone at the 21st Budokai.

No idea.

No idea.

Probably Ultron.

No idea.

I'd say Baby Vegeta.

Classic Kingpin has feats that let him beat 60's Spider-Man, who was in the 15-ton range. He's beaten Captain America and the Red Skull, who was a clone of Captain America's body, and had him casually swinging around a 1,500 lb weight as a staff. Yamcha's not stomping that guy, but it should be a pretty decent fight. He has a few showing fairly recently that don't depict him as being that strong anymore, but, as he was originally created and written, Kingpin was an absolute beast.

I'm not sure if Tao can actually beat Wolverine. He surpasses him in most aspects, except durability, but even the Hulk admitted, flat-out, that he couldn't kill Wolverine. And Tao doesn't have the strength to repeat what the Hulk did to make up for that. And Tao's not breaking adamantium.

Spider-Man's way above 21st Budokai level. He gets sold short fairly often, and I've never really been a fan, but I'd put him on the high-end 22nd Budokai level in strength and fighting ability, and speed as well when Dragon Ball is being consistent. Sure, he doesn't have energy projecting capability, but his Spider-Sense would help make up for that.

I wasn't sure about the Iron Fist/Jackie Chun fight myself. That's a character I never really put much effort into learning about.

Damn, I had a bunch of Nova feats I was waiting to pull out

Ditto on Ultron

I have my own theory on the Surfer/Vegetto fight, but I want to see a wider opinion on that one.

Care to back up the Baby Vegeta one?

[ZombieVito]

22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Krillin vs Master Shen

22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Yamcha vs Master Shen

[RandomGuy96]

Classic Kingpin has feats that let him beat 60's Spider-Man, who was in the 15-ton range. He's beaten Captain America and the Red Skull, who was a clone of Captain America's body, and had him casually swinging around a 1,500 lb weight as a staff. Yamcha's not stomping that guy, but it should be a pretty decent fight. He has a few showing fairly recently that don't depict him as being that strong anymore, but, as he was originally created and written, Kingpin was an absolute beast.

I thought that it was pretty well established that Spider-Man was just holding back. And I don't see his super human feats as anywhere near as impressive as, say, surviving hits from someone who killed a bear in one hit, or knocking someone through several stone pillars. It seems that, most of the time, Kingpin is like Gregor Clegane: unrealistically strong even considering his size and build, but still close enough to "human" that someone who was soooooo far above human wouldn't really notice.

I'm not sure if Tao can actually beat Wolverine. He surpasses him in most aspects, except durability, but even the Hulk admitted, flat-out, that he couldn't kill Wolverine. And Tao doesn't have the strength to repeat what the Hulk did to make up for that. And Tao's not breaking adamantium.

Wolverine, as I understand it, has inconsistent feats, like every other comic book character ever. However, just how inconsistent he is makes me not really want to put him up against anyone.

Spider-Man's way above 21st Budokai level. He gets sold short fairly often, and I've never really been a fan, but I'd put him on the high-end 22nd Budokai level in strength and fighting ability, and speed as well when Dragon Ball is being consistent. Sure, he doesn't have energy projecting capability, but his Spider-Sense would help make up for that.

I doubt it. Tao was shit to the top-tier of the 22nd Budokai, and he could still through a pillar across the continent and jump on it. At the 21st Budokai, Krillin and Chun had an entire fight so fast that no one in the audience knew there was a fight, and later in the RRA arc Roshi casually plucked several bullets out of the air being fired from a machine gun without trying. 22nd Budokai fighters should have building-level firepower and durability.

Spider-Man is also very inconsistent, but I'd say it's pretty well established that he ain't THAT strong and fast on average.

Damn, I had a bunch of Nova feats I was waiting to pull out

Well, I barely know who Nova is, sooo...

Care to back up the Baby Vegeta one?

I may be missing something with Gladiator, but Baby Vegeta is stronger than anyone in Z, including casual star busters (anime-wise, at least, Pure Buu is the weakest character we know that can do that) by a ridiculous margin. The most impressive feats we've seen from Gladiator are, as far as I know, only planet level.