"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Ki Breaker]

Goku: "How can we fight him like that? Vegeta, we're going to have to fuse!"

Kaioshin: *Starts removing earrings*

Goku: "Stand back, Kaioshin! We're going to need room to perform the dance!"

I need Super Goku to day this in the dub

[mfwlegend3]

Goku: "How can we fight him like that? Vegeta, we're going to have to fuse!"

Kaioshin: *Starts removing earrings*

Goku: "Stand back, Kaioshin! We're going to need room to perform the dance!"

This, basically.

Just imagine the looks on Shin and Gowasu's face looking that stupidity.

[Makaioshin]

5. The inclusion of Vegetto is inconsequential to the overall fight against merged Zamasu. While it is some nice fan-service, it just serves as something to fill time until Trunks gets the final blow. I also consider the inclusion of Vegetto to be less significant than Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken, which was an anime-only inclusion. While I'm not sure we'll get the 2-face Zamasu effect in the manga, that moment happens before Vegetto brought in.

Speculation over this is more interesting than whether or not they will use the earrings of gods in an arc about the gods in order to a defeat an earringed god while their two pals, a couple of gods, are standing right there.

Is it still going to be Trunks that delivers the final blow to Zamasu when he barely registers as a character in this version? His technique involved the hopes and dreams of characters who do not exist here. Will Monster Mash Zamasu exist? He was created when Goku used an anime exclusive (so far) technique to punch Zamasu really hard in the face. Will Zamasu even shed his mortal body in order to become the very concept of justice? I feel like that would take up too many pages. Maybe they'll just hit the button and nothing interesting will happen.

[Miracles]

We have no idea what actually the anime changes from his outlines

"Like last time, I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits AS NEED BE...."

TOEI "changing things around" is NECESSARY Toriyama says. For his ENTIRE plot to be broken up into episodes.
The transferring of Toriyama's plot into episodes does not magically cancel that this is Toriyama's story as you suggest.

and Toyotaro said that Toriyama is more particular about the gags than the story, he has the final word about what is included in the manga, unlike the anime, the main product.

"There’s some confusing bits with time changing here and there, but just bear with me. It should definitely turn out to be a fun story! Even I haven’t CHECKED the final script YET Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!"

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/75 ... k-goku.htm

Like the manga, Toriyama does CHECK the final script for the anime.
Which means he has the last say in the anime too!

Fundamentally, I don't deviate from the major plotlines that Toriyama's laid down.

That's right. It's Toryama's story not Toyotaro's.

We also know that not only Toriyama doesn't supervise the anime....

"...Reuniting the franchise’s iconic characters, Dragon Ball Super will follow the aftermath of Goku’s fierce battle with Majin Buu, as he attempts to maintain earth’s fragile peace. OVERSEEN by Dragon Ball’s original creator, Akira Toriyama and produced with Fuji Television, Dragon Ball Super will draw on its historic past to create a bold, new universe welcoming to fans and endearing to new viewers."

“Having loved Dragon Ball since childhood, it is very exciting to be a part of this project,” said Osamu Nozaki, producer for Fuji Television. “Mr. Toriyama has developed a plot that’s not only a dream come true for Dragon Ball’s millions of fans, but one that will foster in a new generation of viewers.”

http://www.toei-animation.com/files/Pre ... _ENG_0.pdf

[Nejishiki]

This may have been pointed out earlier and I may have missed it, but does Vegeta always refer to Goku as... well, "Goku" in the VIZ translation (link)?

The image is from the VIZ translation of DBS chapter 22.

In the original publication, Vegeta used "kisama" to refer to Goku. Viz formally translated Vegeta's "you" as per prior precedence. The only mishap is failing to recognize Vegeta's normal proper noun for Goku. Using a specific name is technically sound but perhaps the current translator wasn't overly familiar with Dragon Ball's characters.

[emperior]

We have no idea what actually the anime changes from his outlines

"Like last time, I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits AS NEED BE...."

TOEI "changing things around" is NECESSARY Toriyama says. For his ENTIRE plot to be broken up into episodes.
The transferring of Toriyama's plot into episodes does not magically cancel that this is Toriyama's story as you suggest.

and Toyotaro said that Toriyama is more particular about the gags than the story, he has the final word about what is included in the manga, unlike the anime, the main product.

"There’s some confusing bits with time changing here and there, but just bear with me. It should definitely turn out to be a fun story! Even I haven’t CHECKED the final script YET Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!"

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/75 ... k-goku.htm

Like the manga, Toriyama does CHECK the final script for the anime.
Which means he has the last say in the anime too!

Fundamentally, I don't deviate from the major plotlines that Toriyama's laid down.

That's right. It's Toryama's story not Toyotaro's.

We also know that not only Toriyama doesn't supervise the anime....

"...Reuniting the franchise’s iconic characters, Dragon Ball Super will follow the aftermath of Goku’s fierce battle with Majin Buu, as he attempts to maintain earth’s fragile peace. OVERSEEN by Dragon Ball’s original creator, Akira Toriyama and produced with Fuji Television, Dragon Ball Super will draw on its historic past to create a bold, new universe welcoming to fans and endearing to new viewers."

“Having loved Dragon Ball since childhood, it is very exciting to be a part of this project,” said Osamu Nozaki, producer for Fuji Television. “Mr. Toriyama has developed a plot that’s not only a dream come true for Dragon Ball’s millions of fans, but one that will foster in a new generation of viewers.”

http://www.toei-animation.com/files/Pre ... _ENG_0.pdf

Everyone should see this post.
It's obvious Toriyama oversees the anime production, Super is his creation. The problems he had with the anime were probably because of the bad animation.

[Basako]

We have no idea what actually the anime changes from his outlines

"Like last time, I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits AS NEED BE...."

TOEI "changing things around" is NECESSARY Toriyama says. For his ENTIRE plot to be broken up into episodes.
The transferring of Toriyama's plot into episodes does not magically cancel that this is Toriyama's story as you suggest.

and Toyotaro said that Toriyama is more particular about the gags than the story, he has the final word about what is included in the manga, unlike the anime, the main product.

"There’s some confusing bits with time changing here and there, but just bear with me. It should definitely turn out to be a fun story! Even I haven’t CHECKED the final script YET Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!"

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/75 ... k-goku.htm

Like the manga, Toriyama does CHECK the final script for the anime.
Which means he has the last say in the anime too!

Fundamentally, I don't deviate from the major plotlines that Toriyama's laid down.

That's right. It's Toryama's story not Toyotaro's.

We also know that not only Toriyama doesn't supervise the anime....

"...Reuniting the franchise’s iconic characters, Dragon Ball Super will follow the aftermath of Goku’s fierce battle with Majin Buu, as he attempts to maintain earth’s fragile peace. OVERSEEN by Dragon Ball’s original creator, Akira Toriyama and produced with Fuji Television, Dragon Ball Super will draw on its historic past to create a bold, new universe welcoming to fans and endearing to new viewers."

“Having loved Dragon Ball since childhood, it is very exciting to be a part of this project,” said Osamu Nozaki, producer for Fuji Television. “Mr. Toriyama has developed a plot that’s not only a dream come true for Dragon Ball’s millions of fans, but one that will foster in a new generation of viewers.”

http://www.toei-animation.com/files/Pre ... _ENG_0.pdf

I'm not sure it's like you say. When Toriyama says he hasn't checked the final script, even with the yet, then he says let's enjoy this together, like let's see all together how the final script is, I think he is saying when it airs. Does he check the scripts of every episode, even fillers? Maybe, but we don't know for sure. Does he do it with every manga chapter? Yes, this is confirmed.

But of course it's his story , of course they have to adapt his script into episodes and that require changes in the timing. But we still don't know what they add. Just guessing, elements like future Yajirobe, android 8's still images and other survivors could be. But then we have things that they may write in the fights to make them last the episode, like Trunks learning the Mafuba or clones of Black appearing from other dimension. I don't think those were good changes or additions.

[MyNiggaGoku]

We finally got an actual explanation on why they defused against Buu, no more headcanons & theories about that subject.

Not quite, people can still ignore it if they want.

You're right but frankly,ignoring an official explanation of one event because you just don't like it & replacing it with a self-made headcanon is downright stupid.

It's ok if you can't like something but when you go in an argument with someone and use your made up theory against their fact...then I think you know what happens next.

You can't make your preferred headcanon stronger than an official explanation.No comparison can be made.

I don't like some things and I would prefer some things I made up myself over them.But I can't just replace them...because that would create more problems than less.

[Kanassa]

Hell, you see Shin and Gowasu riding on a fucking motorcycle,

And if that doesn't happen, this manga get's an instant -100/10! WE NEED GOWASU ON A MOTORCYCLE, DAMNIT!

[Noah]

"There’s some confusing bits with time changing here and there, but just bear with me. It should definitely turn out to be a fun story! Even I haven’t CHECKED the final script YET Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!"

http://www.designntrend.com/articles/75 ... k-goku.htm

Like the manga, Toriyama does CHECK the final script for the anime.
Which means he has the last say in the anime too!

Not quite, if Toriyama checks the anime production was he does with the manga, he wouldn't be disatisfied and reluctant to keep being involved with Super, so they had to provide him with some basic ideas for the plot of the Future Trunks arc for he to continue, also don't know where you got that developing a plot means he supervises the anime too.

I don't like some things and I would prefer some things I made up myself over them.But I can't just replace them...because that would create more problems than less.

No, I'm not talking about personal taste and yes saying that people can ignore it because none of this are present in the original work, so it's optional.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Goku: "How can we fight him like that? Vegeta, we're going to have to fuse!"

Kaioshin: *Starts removing earrings*

Goku: "Stand back, Kaioshin! We're going to need room to perform the dance!"

Y'know what, you've convinced me. I want this to happen now.

[Grimlock]

As funny as it sounds, Kaioshins shouldn't even be around to begin with, as they never contribute to a fight, they're only there clearly because plot demands, because of Potara fusion.

But if Potara fusion is what everyone wants because is ~betTtTeEeer~, then merge Goku and Trunks or bring Vegenks, as long as Dragon Ball leave the safe zone, it'll be fine.

[mfwlegend3]

But if Potara fusion is what everyone wants because is ~betTtTeEeer~,

I (and I'm pretty sure everyone else) don't care about Vegetto.

It's just the most logical solution at this point.

[Basako]

As funny as it sounds, Kaioshins shouldn't even be around to begin with, as they never contribute to a fight, they're only there clearly because plot demands, because of Potara fusion.

But if Potara fusion is what everyone wants because is ~betTtTeEeer~, then merge Goku and Trunks or bring Vegenks, as long as Dragon Ball leave the safe zone, it'll be fine.

I totally disagree. In the end, Zamasu is one of their own, this is their mess. They have to be there, Gowasu without a doubt, and Shin too, because universe seven is very involved.

In the manga, they have contributed saving Trunks and Mai. Gowasu tryed to convince his apprentice, failing, and it was cool to see Shin attacking, he has some nerve.

[The gr]

Here's lord rumosh,I'm anxiously waiting for a Bergamo or jiren pic drawn by toyotaro

[Miracles]

Not quite, if Toriyama checks the anime production was he does with the manga, he wouldn't be disatisfied and reluctant to keep being involved with Super, so they had to provide him with some basic ideas for the plot of the Future Trunks arc for he to continue, also don't know where you got that developing a plot means he supervises the anime too.

Toriyama-san said: “Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live-action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I’m complaining about THE QUALITY of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much I can’t leave it alone“.

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/akira ... animation/

Toriyama only complained about the quality of animation of Super.
Not that he was "reluctant" to be involved or dissatisfied with it as a whole.

I'm not sure it's like you say. When Toriyama says he hasn't checked the final script, even with the yet, then he says let's enjoy this together, like let's see all together how the final script is, I think he is saying when it airs. Does he check the scripts of every episode, even fillers? Maybe, but we don't know for sure. Does he do it with every manga chapter? Yes, this is confirmed.

Toriyama does state "Like last time..."
So he does check the script from his "entire plot outline" for the anime consistently.
It's STILL his story, they only add in bits of details for the purpose of breaking it up into episodes.
Toriyama even states that this is necessary and he oversees this. Which means he approves them.

[Lord Beerus]

Goku: "How can we fight him like that? Vegeta, we're going to have to fuse!"

Kaioshin: *Starts removing earrings*

Goku: "Stand back, Kaioshin! We're going to need room to perform the dance!"

Y'know what, you've convinced me. I want this to happen now.

Are you willing to eat a shoe for it?

[Basako]

I'm not sure it's like you say. When Toriyama says he hasn't checked the final script, even with the yet, then he says let's enjoy this together, like let's see all together how the final script is, I think he is saying when it airs. Does he check the scripts of every episode, even fillers? Maybe, but we don't know for sure. Does he do it with every manga chapter? Yes, this is confirmed.

Toriyama does state "Like last time..."
So he does check the script from his "entire plot outline" for the anime consistently.
It's STILL his story, they only add in bits of details for the purpose of breaking it up into episodes.
Toriyama even states that this is necessary and he oversees this. Which means he approves them.

Bring me a sentence where he states clearly he checks and corrects the scripts of each episode and I'll belive that. Talking about a single script in singular doesn't look like that for start, it could be a general plot which we don't know how detailed is. Also looks totally like he will see what they've done at the same time as the interviewer. Like last time what? I don't know what does that mean out of context. Of course it's still his story, he writes the main plot, but changes and additions are on Toei, some are fine, some are terrible.

And about the other thing you say, it's incorrect, Toriyama complains about the quality, he doesn't specifically say quality of the animation. Maybe it's that, but we don't know. Maybe are the episode scripts or the characterizations too.

Hey, I checked : 'Like last time, I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.'

Obviously, what we all know, that he writes the plot and passes it to Toei so the make the anime, adding and changing stuff.

[KentalSSJ6]

I just dawned on me, if Gogeta were to be used in the manga and he transformed into SSJG or SSJB, wouldn't that instantly burnout the time limit for the fusion? I mean, SSJ3 reduced the amount of time Gotenks could stay fused from 30 minutes to 5 minutes because of how insanely powerful SSJ3 was. I don't know SSJG or SSJB Gogeta would last 5 seconds.

That often occurred to me also but after giving it more and more thought, Toei, Toyotaro, and/or Toriyama can and probably would say that the whole divine ki allows them a full standard time limit because "it's not normal ki" or some schtick like that. The anime bothered to say non-Kaioshin Potara fusions only last a hour. I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if they went ahead and said something about divine ki altering the rules of the Metamoran dance to better suit the plot.

It wouldnt be the first time either that something like that would have happened. SSJ4 Gogeta lasted 10 minutes and SSJ3 Gotenks could only last 5 so why could Gogeta last longer in a form that is magnitudes above that of SSJ3? You could argue that the new bodies SSJ4 grants allow them to store more energy and therefore somehow allow a longer than usual timer but I think you get my drift here.

[Miracles]

I'm not sure it's like you say. When Toriyama says he hasn't checked the final script, even with the yet, then he says let's enjoy this together, like let's see all together how the final script is, I think he is saying when it airs. Does he check the scripts of every episode, even fillers? Maybe, but we don't know for sure. Does he do it with every manga chapter? Yes, this is confirmed.

Toriyama does state "Like last time..."
So he does check the script from his "entire plot outline" for the anime consistently.
It's STILL his story, they only add in bits of details for the purpose of breaking it up into episodes.
Toriyama even states that this is necessary and he oversees this. Which means he approves them.

Bring me a sentence where he states clearly he checks and corrects the scripts of each episode and I'll belive that. Talking about a single script in singular doesn't look like that for start, it could be a general plot which we don't know how detailed is. Also looks totally like he will see what they've done at the same time as the interviewer. Like last time what? I don't know what does that mean out of context. Of course it's still his story, he writes the main plot, but changes and additions are on Toei, some are fine, some are terrible.

And about the other thing you say, it's incorrect, Toriyama complains about the quality, he doesn't specifically say quality of the animation. Maybe it's that, but we don't know. Maybe are the episode scripts or the characterizations too.

Hey, I checked : 'Like last time, I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.'

Obviously, what we all know, that he writes the plot and passes it to Toei so the make the anime, adding and changing stuff.

I don't have to bring you irrelevant information that does not change the fact that Dragonball Super is Toriyama's "entire plot." Which he also "oversees" and said he checks scripts. Especially when he stated that the changes TOEI makes are "NECESSARY." That doesn't magically not make it his story. What you believe doesn't matter. The truth still stands...Super anime and manga are Toriyama's story. Your unbelief doesn't change this truth.