Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[pacz360]

Damn, I'd hoped that Krillin would defeat SSB Goku so that I could enjoy my popcorn while reading the posts in this thread.
Anyways, Krillin learnt the Taiyo-ken x100 by working out in his room? How does that even work? Wouldn't it make more sense if he actually trained outside in the presence of the sun rather than lifting some weights?

Don't worry, this shitty saga has already surpassed the nonsense we witnessed in the previous arc in less than 10 episodes.

What nonsense in this arc? If That relates to powers then you better show me.

[Zamasu55]

Damn, I'd hoped that Krillin would defeat SSB Goku so that I could enjoy my popcorn while reading the posts in this thread.
Anyways, Krillin learnt the Taiyo-ken x100 by working out in his room? How does that even work? Wouldn't it make more sense if he actually trained outside in the presence of the sun rather than lifting some weights?

Don't worry, this shitty saga has already surpassed the nonsense we witnessed in the previous arc in less than 10 episodes.

What nonsense in this arc? If That relates to powers then you better show me.

This episode is a complete nonsense.

[pacz360]

Don't worry, this shitty saga has already surpassed the nonsense we witnessed in the previous arc in less than 10 episodes.

What nonsense in this arc? If That relates to powers then you better show me.

This episode is a complete nonsense.

Like what besides the ssjb scene where goku was obviously holding back with ease there was nothing nonsense in this episode
Krillin had to rely on tactics to beat gohan he admits that himself
Goku has to go ssj to avoid a ringout not because of krillin power.

[SansrivaaL]

Kuririn is at the same level, though a bit weaker, as the base Saiyans, as I speculated last week.

I wouldn't be surprised if Krillin is stronger than Piccolo now, as stupid as that sounds. Even though Piccolo was always far stronger in the series.

It seems Krillin is the beneficiary of the mystical power ups this time around instead of FT Trunks.

It doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.

Base Gohan was stronger than Piccolo. Piccolo was massively stronger than Android 18. Android 18 is stronger than Krillin said in both Resurrection F and this episode.

Yet Krillin is able to match up to Base Gohan quite well.

Again it makes you wonder if Piccolo was nerfed because there's a few things that really point toward it.

Wait until you see Piccolo. Piccolo must have improved will probably spar with Gohan to show it and to show Gohan he needs to improve just like this episode said.

If Krillin's managed to do it, I dont see how Piccolo cant, Gohan better be ready to deck out his ultimate form.... actually even ultimate may not be enough for Piccolo now, Gohan needs Ultimate God Ultimate.

[Noah]

It so powerful that we see Nappa no sell it in the Saiyan arc. The Kikoho doesn't have a multiplier. The only way to impove the strength of the Kikoho is through training.

You're ignoring that Tenshinhan was injured and only used one arm and that did some damage to Nappa as his armor was destroyed and we see him with a lot of scratches.

The technique was able to hold down Cell even though Cell was many hundreds of millions of times stronger. Goku was obviously holding back with Krillin as a SSJB in the beam clash immensely because he doesn't want to kill him. He just wants to gauge his strength.

Still not a good comparison as Tenshinhan feat has more to do with his technique than his raw battle power, Goku and Krillin used the same technique against each other and holding back or not using 00001% of its power in his ultimate form against Krillin and yet see him pushing his Kamehameha is a bit farfetched.

[TheMikado]

What nonsense in this arc? If That relates to powers then you better show me.

This episode is a complete nonsense.

Like what besides the ssjb scene where goku was obviously holding back with ease there was nothing nonsense in this episode
Krillin had to rely on tactics to beat gohan he admits that himself
Goku has to go ssj to avoid a ringout not because of krillin power.

SSJ Goku should be at the very least comparable to SSG levels. Even base Goku should be well above SSJ3 Gotenks levels. Krillin shouldn't be able to do much of anything to someone at that level even after 10 days of training...

The episode basically leaves us asking how strong is Krillin and how strong is base Goku.

[Alee9977]

This episode is a complete nonsense.

Like what besides the ssjb scene where goku was obviously holding back with ease there was nothing nonsense in this episode
Krillin had to rely on tactics to beat gohan he admits that himself
Goku has to go ssj to avoid a ringout not because of krillin power.

SSJ Goku should be at the very least comparable to SSG levels. Even base Goku should be well above SSJ3 Gotenks levels. Krillin shouldn't be able to do much of anything to someone at that level even after 10 days of training...

The episode basically leaves us asking how strong is Krillin and how strong is base Goku.

Krillin only used tactics against Gohan and Krillin, you can't compare their powers if they are relying on strategies.

[Lord Beerus]

It so powerful that we see Nappa no sell it in the Saiyan arc. The Kikoho doesn't have a multiplier. The only way to impove the strength of the Kikoho is through training.

You're ignoring that Tenshinhan was injured and only used one arm and that did some damage to Nappa as his armor as destroyed and we see him with a lot of scratches.

The technique was able to hold down Cell even though Cell was many hundreds of millions of times stronger. Goku was obviously holding back with Krillin as a SSJB in the beam clash immensely because he doesn't want to kill him. He just wants to gauge his strength.

Still not a good comparison as Tenshinhan feat has more to do with his technique than his raw battle power, Goku and Krillin used the same technique against each other and holding back or not using 00001% of its power in his ultimate form against Krillin and yet see him pushing his Kamehameha is a bit farfetched.

Nappa's battle armour was damaged but Nappa himself was totally unfazed from it. It like how Krillin Kiezan cut Nappa's cheek. His battle power didn't go down at all.

The power of the Kikoho is dependant on a person's life force and how much they exert it.

The secret weapon of the Tsuru-sen School. It concentrates a kiai into one point, then releases it in a single burst. Its main difference between ki blast-type techniques is that its trajectory cannot be seen. Its destructive power is formidable enough to instantly obliterate the Tenkaichi Budoukai arena. Indeed, it is a technique characteristic of the Tsuru-sen School, whose objective is to mercilessly kill people. Because this technique heavily uses up one's internal energy, it can only be used to decide the match in a single shot. (Daizenshuu 2, p.206 / Daizenshuu 4, p.111)

Where do you think that life force comes from? And how did Tien draw enough energy to hold down Semi-Perfect Cell? SSJB is able about perfect ki control. I'm certain Goku was holding back immensely when firing his Kamehameha at Krillin. I mean, we see Beerus slap Bulma, and all that did was knock her out. That shows immensely strong beings can have an insane amount of restraint.

[Cabba]

lol after todays episode its clear where the power level sits
Krillin>SSJ Goku>Base goku and 50% of the strength of SSB

That or Goku/Gohan suddenly got nerfed
Reacom>Base Gohan
Ginyu>Base Goku
[spoiler]I'm obviously joking, episode 84 was awful, and the one in charge should be nerfed in position[/spoiler]

[pacz360]

This episode is a complete nonsense.

Like what besides the ssjb scene where goku was obviously holding back with ease there was nothing nonsense in this episode
Krillin had to rely on tactics to beat gohan he admits that himself
Goku has to go ssj to avoid a ringout not because of krillin power.

SSJ Goku should be at the very least comparable to SSG levels. Even base Goku should be well above SSJ3 Gotenks levels. Krillin shouldn't be able to do much of anything to someone at that level even after 10 days of training...

The episode basically leaves us asking how strong is Krillin and how strong is base Goku.

no it doesnt
krillin i repeatdidnt do shit to goku nor gohan not a single scratch was on them jesus christ are people literally forgetting that characters in db can hold back there strength bulma was knocked out by beerus yet why didnt she get reduced to red mist you know why because beerus was holding back here seriously this happened with mr satan and cell then later with buu and at the start of the series with buu and beerus why acting like this shit new?

[Cabba]

Krillin only used tactics against Gohan and Krillin, you can't compare their powers if they are relying on strategies.

All the strategies in the world will not help against someone who is leagues ahead of you
See Goku vs Ginyu force, Android 16 vs Semi perfect cell, Krillin vs perfect cell

no it doesnt
krillin i repeatdidnt do shit to goku nor gohan not a single scratch was on them jesus christ are people literally forgetting that characters in db can hold back there strength bulma was knocked out by beerus yet why didnt she get reduced to red mist you know why because beerus was holding back here seriously this happened with mr satan and cell then later with buu and at the start of the series with buu and beerus why acting like this shit new?

Base Goku generic Kamehameha should have been easily able to overtake Krillin, in base form alone Base saiyans can one punch KO krillin
Yet they showed Goku needing to go SS in order to tank Krillins ki attack to not be taken out of ring. Pathetic script for the sake of spectacle, very lazy

Why would goku need to turn SS in order to tank someone who is 20K at best?
What about the nonsense weight lifting meme training

[Bullza]

That was actually said in the episode, not the preview.

It just doesn't make sense to me for Piccolo to attack someone like that if he is weaker. Gohan even says in the Freeza arc that Piccolo is not the fighter that gets overconfident and underestimate an opponent.

Yeah I just checked it was said in the preview and the episode itself.

I don't know why Piccolo would have attacked him, whether it was to try and protect the others or something but he was clearly much weaker than Tagoma and Gohan said Tagoma was as strong as himself.

So unless Gohan was off by an enormous amount then that's how it would seem especially with Gohan and Piccolo's fight later on.

After Tagoma powered up and knocked them all down it was Gohan who was able to get up and then he attempted to fight him without transforming.

Gohan when he was attacking Tagoma said he couldn't bring out his full power because he slacked off on his training. So was he referring to his Ultimate power? Did it decrease from how he was in the Buu saga to down to around Piccolo's level and he has to bring it all out by turning Super Saiyan or something.

[Doctor.]

how strong is Krillin and how strong is base Goku.

Around the same ballpark as the base Saiyans for Kuririn and slightly stronger than he was in the Boo arc (so, still weaker than Namek Freeza, probably) for Goku.

You people should stop taking obviously retconned nonsense like Goku absorbing the Super Saiyan God power as still relevant. There's no internal consistency in this show and we should stop pretending there is, the characters are as strong as they need to be.

[pacz360]

how strong is Krillin and how strong is base Goku.

Around the same ballpark as the base Saiyans for Kuririn and slightly stronger than he was in the Boo arc (so, still weaker than Namek Freeza, probably) for Goku.

You people should stop taking obviously retconned nonsense like Goku absorbing the Super Saiyan God power as still relevant.

Yet goku in the preview is trading blows with buu who had train non stop.
Quit pushing this retconned bullshit there's no rectons at all
And he'll the fuck krillin is still inferior to both base goku and gohan krillin said this shit himself in the episode.

[Doctor.]

Yet goku in the preview is trading blows with buu who had train non stop.
Quit pushing this retconned bullshit there's no rectons at all
And he'll the fuck krillin is still inferior to both base goku and gohan krillin said this shit himself in the episode.

If you want to believe Kuririn, Trunks, Gohan, Boo and everyone else suddenly jumped to God tier only by proxy of being comparable to Goku's power, then it's on you. I prefer to opt for the most rational explanation and think the Super Saiyan God absorption gimmick was thrown out of the window in every arc besides F and the Copy-Vegeta filler.

Of course Kuririn is still weaker, I said he's in the same ballpark, not that he's stronger or equal. He's comparable, if he wasn't, he wouldn't even be able to hand blows or move them an inch. You're jumping the gun as to whether or not Goku transforms against Boo, also.

I repeat myself:

There's no internal consistency in this show and we should stop pretending there is, the characters are as strong as they need to be.

The quicker everyone realizes this, the best.

[pacz360]

Krillin only used tactics against Gohan and Krillin, you can't compare their powers if they are relying on strategies.

All the strategies in the world will not help against someone who is leagues ahead of you
See Goku vs Ginyu force, Android 16 vs Semi perfect cell, Krillin vs perfect cell

no it doesnt
krillin i repeatdidnt do shit to goku nor gohan not a single scratch was on them jesus christ are people literally forgetting that characters in db can hold back there strength bulma was knocked out by beerus yet why didnt she get reduced to red mist you know why because beerus was holding back here seriously this happened with mr satan and cell then later with buu and at the start of the series with buu and beerus why acting like this shit new?

Base Goku generic Kamehameha should have been easily able to overtake Krillin, in base form alone Base saiyans can one punch KO krillin
Yet they showed Goku needing to go SS in order to tank Krillins ki attack to not be taken out of ring. Pathetic script for the sake of spectacle, very lazy

Why would goku need to turn SS in order to tank someone who is 20K at best?
What about the nonsense weight lifting meme training

Yet why didn't bulma get reduced to mist by beerus,why didn't Mr Satan get the cell jr treatment from cell or buu why didn't chi chi get reduced to gore by being slammed outta of the house by goku and why almost any fictional character survive hits from beings who could slaughter them in moment's notice?

[Cabba]

how strong is Krillin and how strong is base Goku.

Around the same ballpark as the base Saiyans for Kuririn and slightly stronger than he was in the Boo arc (so, still weaker than Namek Freeza, probably) for Goku.

You people should stop taking obviously retconned nonsense like Goku absorbing the Super Saiyan God power as still relevant. There's no internal consistency in this show and we should stop pretending there is, the characters are as strong as they need to be.

The fuck? Krillin is nowhere near Base adult saiyans. He is 100k under the best of fans expectations
and Base Goku is clearly stronger than namek freeza at this point, i would put him at the perfect cell level at least

In fact krillin should be 20k if were are being realistic

[ZombieVito]

That was actually said in the episode, not the preview.

It just doesn't make sense to me for Piccolo to attack someone like that if he is weaker. Gohan even says in the Freeza arc that Piccolo is not the fighter that gets overconfident and underestimate an opponent.

Yeah I just checked it was said in the preview and the episode itself.

I don't know why Piccolo would have attacked him, whether it was to try and protect the others or something but he was clearly much weaker than Tagoma and Gohan said Tagoma was as strong as himself.

So unless Gohan was off by an enormous amount then that's how it would seem especially with Gohan and Piccolo's fight later on.

After Tagoma powered up and knocked them all down it was Gohan who was able to get up and then he attempted to fight him without transforming.

Gohan when he was attacking Tagoma said he couldn't bring out his full power because he slacked off on his training. So was he referring to his Ultimate power? Did it decrease from how he was in the Buu saga to down to around Piccolo's level and he has to bring it all out by turning Super Saiyan or something.

The only way that scene makes sense is for Gohan to be way weaker than Piccolo. When Gohan fought Ginyu he was planning to go Ultimate but couldn't so he used Super Saiyan instead.

Gohan must've reverted back to his Z sword self since I'm pretty sure he doesn't have Ultimate at all anymore and in a few episodes he will get the form again. Thanks to his training with Piccolo he then will get way stronger than his Boo arc self.

[Cabba]

Yet why didn't bulma get reduced to mist by beerus,why didn't Mr Satan get the cell jr treatment from cell or buu why didn't chi chi get reduced to gore by being slammed outta of the house by goku and why almost any fictional character survive hits from beings who could slaughter them in moment's notice?

I can understand controlling ones ki thats not what I'm challenging here:
Why would Goku need to turn SSJ if he can tank Krillin in his base form just fine? like he is 1000x greater than Krillin in base form alone
Why would Goku be shown struggling during the SSB kamahameha clash?

Bad, lazy awful writing for the sake of spectacle

[pacz360]

Yet goku in the preview is trading blows with buu who had train non stop.
Quit pushing this retconned bullshit there's no rectons at all
And he'll the fuck krillin is still inferior to both base goku and gohan krillin said this shit himself in the episode.

If you want to believe Kuririn, Trunks, Gohan, Boo and everyone else suddenly jumped to God tier only by proxy of being comparable to Goku's power, then it's on you. I prefer to opt for the most rational explanation and think the Super Saiyan God absorption gimmick was thrown out of the window in every arc besides F and the Copy-Vegeta filler.



Of course Kuririn is still weaker, I said he's in the same ballpark, not that he's stronger or equal. He's comparable, if he wasn't, he wouldn't even be able to hand blows or move them an inch. You're jumping the gun as to whether or not Goku transforms against Boo, also.

I repeat myself:

There's no internal consistency in this show and we should stop pretending there is, the characters are as strong as they need to be.

The quicker everyone realizes this, the best.

Krillin was no where near comparable to gohan he won by a ring out and gohan was off guard after the solar flare x100 krillin knew this and said this shit
Trunks had to deal with black for a year. Zenkai and rage boost were major part in the saga
Buu get strong that fast isn't ridiculous considering shit like freeza and f.trunk getting strong at a rapid rate.
Buu like freeza never trained so who says he can't get stronger.
Gohan who have been hyped by daddy,champa and even vegeta for having the most potential hell he can even sense god ki
Super powerscaling is a goddamned pain but acting like there been some recton in the series for how strong base goku and vegeta along with there ssj forms is bull shit without proof.