The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Videl also threw an even bigger, muscular man away with a punch, and even further than Lunch did. Plus, she is too skilled for Lunch, while Lunch isn't a martial artist at all.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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But she had to hit the robbers several times, while Lunch took out the RRA soldier with one punch.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Videl also threw an even bigger, muscular man away with a punch, and even further than Lunch did. Plus, she is too skilled for Lunch, while Lunch isn't a martial artist at all.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Which could mean that the RRA soldier is weaker.RandomGuy96 wrote:But she had to hit the robbers several times, while Lunch took out the RRA soldier with one punch.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Robbers > trained soldiers?DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Which could mean that the RRA soldier is weaker.RandomGuy96 wrote:But she had to hit the robbers several times, while Lunch took out the RRA soldier with one punch.
I don't think so.
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Lunch is a freaking robber, and she was stronger than the RRA soldiers.The Monkey King wrote:Robbers > trained soldiers?
I don't think so.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Lmao, you got me thereDBZGTKOSDH wrote:Lunch is a freaking robber, and she was stronger than the RRA soldiers.The Monkey King wrote:Robbers > trained soldiers?
I don't think so.
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A robber with superhuman strength and speed.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Lunch is a freaking robber, and she was stronger than the RRA soldiers.The Monkey King wrote:Robbers > trained soldiers?
I don't think so.
Knocking out a trained soldier with one punch > knocking out a robber with several punches
Running as fast as a top tier Olympic sprinter > any speed feats we have from Videl
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
There is nothing that says that Videl is weaker & slower than Lunch, and there is nothing that says that the soldier is stronger than the robber. Therefor, it is up to someone's opinion. Personally, I don't see Lunch beating one of the strongest "mortal" martial artists on Earth.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread
Which of the 8 finalists in the 22nd Budokai can non cyborg Tao beat?
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Well I have him exactly as strong as Goku and Tenshinhan there.Bullza wrote:Which of the 8 finalists in the 22nd Budokai can non cyborg Tao beat?
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Regular Tao?Zombie wrote:Well I have him exactly as strong as Goku and Tenshinhan there.Bullza wrote:Which of the 8 finalists in the 22nd Budokai can non cyborg Tao beat?
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Anyone besides the main 5, Jackie, Goku, Kuririn, Yamucha and Tenshinhan. Kuririn could beat him, maybe with some difficulty, seeing as how he was confident he could win against Goku after seeing him fight in Baba's tournament. Same for Yamucha.Bullza wrote:Which of the 8 finalists in the 22nd Budokai can non cyborg Tao beat?
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Only the joke ones: Man-Wolf and Pamput.Bullza wrote:Which of the 8 finalists in the 22nd Budokai can non cyborg Tao beat?
Goku and Tenshinhan would obviously one-shot him, so yeah. Krillin and Yamcha were somewhat confident in their ability to beat Goku even after seeing his power at Baba's tournament, which was enough to smoke Tao Paipai. Same thing with Roshi, who is still a good bit ahead of those two (also, his battle power at the 22nd is officially 139, faaaaaaaaaar beyond whatever Tao's is). Chiaotzu was at least strong enough to go head to head with Krillin for a little bit, and with his psychic powers would have easily won had Krillin not outsmarted him. It's possible that Tao could pull the same trick, but even if he could, I think Chiaotzu's still a lot stronger than him (and he can fly).
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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I honestly can't see Chaozu winning against Tao. Him losing easily against Cyborg Tao in the 23rd Budokai makes me think that in the 22nd he wouldn't be capable either.
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Cyborg Tao is many times stronger than regular Tao. That's like saying "Piccolo lost to 3rd form Freeza, I really can't see him taking 1st form Freeza".Doctor. wrote:I honestly can't see Chaozu winning against Tao. Him losing easily against Cyborg Tao in the 23rd Budokai makes me think that in the 22nd he wouldn't be capable either.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Yes but Chaozu obviously improved from the 22nd to the 23rd. Usually the increases between the timeskips are similar between the characters. So the same amount Tao's BP increased is similar to the same amount Chaozu's BP increased.RandomGuy96 wrote:Cyborg Tao is many times stronger than regular Tao. That's like saying "Piccolo lost to 3rd form Freeza, I really can't see him taking 1st form Freeza".Doctor. wrote:I honestly can't see Chaozu winning against Tao. Him losing easily against Cyborg Tao in the 23rd Budokai makes me think that in the 22nd he wouldn't be capable either.
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Chaozu Vs Yajirobe Saiyan Arc.
Yajirobe is stronger but Chaozu actually has powers.
Yajirobe is stronger but Chaozu actually has powers.
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I'd say Yajirobe. Seeing as how he's almost twice as strong as Chaozu, his speed will be too high for Chaozu to catch up.Kid Buu wrote:Chaozu Vs Yajirobe Saiyan Arc.
Yajirobe is stronger but Chaozu actually has powers.
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That doesn't make any sense. They didn't get remotely similar boosts on part of not doing remotely similar training (well, Tao didn't train, but you know what I mean). Even the same training doesn't guarantee two fighters will get the same boost. For example: before training with Kami, Tenshinhan had a decent advantage on Krillin (206 vs 250, or x1.21 difference). After they do the training, they're basically even (1,770 vs 1,830, or x1.03 difference). And I highly doubt Chiaotzu became over twice as strong between the 22nd and 23rd, as Tao did.Doctor. wrote:Yes but Chaozu obviously improved from the 22nd to the 23rd. Usually the increases between the timeskips are similar between the characters. So the same amount Tao's BP increased is similar to the same amount Chaozu's BP increased.RandomGuy96 wrote:Cyborg Tao is many times stronger than regular Tao. That's like saying "Piccolo lost to 3rd form Freeza, I really can't see him taking 1st form Freeza".Doctor. wrote:I honestly can't see Chaozu winning against Tao. Him losing easily against Cyborg Tao in the 23rd Budokai makes me think that in the 22nd he wouldn't be capable either.
Probably Chiaotzu, unless Yajirobe is fast enough to speed blitz him before he can use his powers.Chaozu Vs Yajirobe Saiyan Arc.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Why not? Chaozu constantly trains with Ten. Even though the latter is stronger, they'll both get similar results because they're training together.RandomGuy96 wrote:And I highly doubt Chiaotzu became over twice as strong between the 22nd and 23rd, as Tao did.