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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:17 pm

Freeza's key trait is his politeness but I just like Linda Young's portrayal so much and I personally think she owns the role. She may not sound polite but she replaces it with a callus "just give me what I want and I might not kill you" vibe and it works just as well. The main problem is the scripts she was given.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:21 pm

ringworm128 wrote:Freeza's key trait is his politeness but I just like Linda Young's portrayal so much and I personally think she owns the role. She may not sound polite but she replaces it with a callus "just give me what I want and I might not kill you" vibe and it works just as well. The main problem is the scripts she was given.
Not as Freeza because that's not Freeza.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:30 pm

To an extent, but as I've said she brings out his other traits. And I'd rather admire the aspects she gets right and or brings out more then close mindedly dismiss her performance based on "she doesn't sound polite".

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:37 pm

ringworm128 wrote:To an extent, but as I've said she brings out his other traits. And I'd rather admire the aspects she gets right and or brings out more then close mindedly dismiss her performance based on "she doesn't sound polite".
What aspects did she bring out that are actually Freeza? Freeza has one proper characterization and she nor FUNi got it right. It's not a mindless diss to say she didn't get that very important aspect of the character. It's a very important and memorable trait.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:57 pm

Freeza is arrogant, cocky, sadistic and ruthless and deep down is a spoiled brat that's too used to getting what he wants. These are traits that are present in the original not just Funimation's version.

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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:03 am

ringworm128 wrote:Freeza is arrogant, cocky, sadistic and ruthless and deep down is a spoiled brat that's too used to getting what he wants. These are traits that are present in the original not just Funimation's version.
But he doesn't say "round and round the monkey goes, if he stops, off with his nose" or "yeehaw buckaroo, ride em cowboy". All the things you mentioned are there, but those are in so many villains that it seems like stock characteristics. Toriyama wrote Freeza as a land shark (not the snl skit). Look at Freeza's posture, it conveys a type of behavior that FUNi's writers and Young didn't.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:09 am

Those are the script, not the voice. Linda Young may have been given some corny stuff to work with but she worked with it nonetheless and did a good job considering what she was given.

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Post by ABED » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:13 am

ringworm128 wrote:Those are the script, not the voice. Linda Young may have been given some corny stuff to work with but she worked with it nonetheless and did a good job considering what she was given.
You and I disagree with that assessment. She was given crap, and she wasn't good for the role. She was excellent as Genkai, but not as Lord Freeza. She didn't sound lizard like, she sounded like she was a heavy smoker trying to sound evil. He was written corny, so she played him corny. When he was written well, she couldn't deliver the lines and the part was cast properly.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Ringworm128 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:19 am

She did a good in the video games where Freeza was given pretty good lines. And Freeza's polite trait always had this obvious snake like fakeness to it and IMO Linda Young's joker like vibe is a good substitute

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Post by ABED » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:22 am

ringworm128 wrote:She did a good in the video games where Freeza was given pretty good lines. And Freeza's polite trait always had this obvious snake like fakeness to it and IMO Linda Young's joker like vibe is a good substitute
Of course it was fake, but FUNi didn't even do that. You think she sounded Joker like? Which incarnation are we talking about? She didn't sound the least bit threatening. She sounded like she was trying to be someone's idea of threatening.

I don't think there's much else to say on the subject. You and many others think she sounds good, I and many others don't.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by penguintruth » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:30 am

Linda Young is just a more lizardish sounding Pauline Newstone in the role. And Newstone was wrong for the role, too
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by Big Momma » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:36 am

ABED wrote: "yeehaw buckaroo, ride em cowboy".
I've stated this unpopular opinion before, but as much as I don't like Linda Young's portrayal....I love that line. For the moment it was being used, it was incredibly sadistic IMO.
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Post by ABED » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:16 am

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ABED wrote: "yeehaw buckaroo, ride em cowboy".
I've stated this unpopular opinion before, but as much as I don't like Linda Young's portrayal....I love that line. For the moment it was being used, it was incredibly sadistic IMO.
I found it cheesy. There are plenty of other lines that are worse, "You dirty crook, you stole your mother's pocket book."
penguintruth wrote:Linda Young is just a more lizardish sounding Pauline Newstone in the role. And Newstone was wrong for the role, too
Newstone was wrong but I think she sounded more lizardish, whereas Young sounded like a raspy old lady trying to sound tough.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by penguintruth » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:55 am

To be fair, Young might have benefitted by Kai's accurate dub scripts, but I'm glad they went a different direction. Why settle for "yeah, fine, I guess" when you can get "EFF YEAH"?

I mean, not everybody improved in Kai.
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Post by ABED » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:40 pm

Those that didn't improve were the b-characters, but even they improved since they first started. Even Schemmel's Kaio is better than when he first started.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:48 pm

I admit that I don't have much exposure to Kai's Kaio, but assuming what you're saying is correct, talk about trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear! :lol:
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by penguintruth » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:55 pm

ABED wrote:Those that didn't improve were the b-characters, but even they improved since they first started. Even Schemmel's Kaio is better than when he first started.
Nope!
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by ABED » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:09 pm

penguintruth wrote:
ABED wrote:Those that didn't improve were the b-characters, but even they improved since they first started. Even Schemmel's Kaio is better than when he first started.
Nope!
Say it all you want just so you can be the curmudgeon, but they did improve, even if only slightly. Some of them were 0's during season 3 are at least 1's now. I'm not saying it's a huge improvement none the less.
talk about trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear!
That's the first time I've ever heard that saying. I never said that they vastly improved or are even remotely good (which was never the point at hand), just that they did improve. But that doesn't seem to be a popular opinion.
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Re: Unpopular DB opinions

Post by El Diabeetus » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:17 pm

I prefer the dub name of the What-if fusion for Tenshinhan and Yamcha. Tiencha/Tencha fits him better than Yamhan, Yamhan sounds like a Yamcha/Gohan fusion.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:24 pm

SSJ4 Furanki wrote:I prefer the dub name of the What-if fusion for Tenshinhan and Yamcha. Tiencha/Tencha fits him better than Yamhan, Yamhan sounds like a Yamcha/Gohan fusion.
I'd have to agree with this, though I'm slowly trying to get myself more used to Yamhan. Same with Gotan over Gokule for the Goku/Mr. Satan fusion.
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