"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[Grand Marshal 1]

However, they did go through a specific "Sueer" event, didn't they?

That happened in a 3DS game, not in this one

Could you please elaborate some more? For the sake of me learning.

[Steven Bloodriver]

However, they did go through a specific "Sueer" event, didn't they?

That happened in a 3DS game, not in this one

Could you please elaborate some more? For the sake of me learning.

Ankokudaishogun might be referring to when the Player Character and Son Goku: Xeno had an encounter with Super Saiyan God Son Goku in one of those Special Missions of sorts in where one or more of the main characters interact with other characters from Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission X.

[ankokudaishogun]

However, they did go through a specific "Sueer" event, didn't they?

That happened in a 3DS game, not in this one

Could you please elaborate some more? For the sake of me learning.

Every DBH game, manga and anime beside the arcade is not canon for the main DBH continuity.
Their events are therefore irrelevant outside the media where they happen.

Goku:Xeno saying he has been Super Saiyan God once upon a time applies only the the Goku:Xeno of that specific game(DBH:Ultimate MIssion X for 3DS) and nowhere else unless stated explicitly.
Currently, it hasn't been stated anywhere else, including World Mission and, most importantly, the arcade.

In short, to our knowledge Arcade Goku:Xeno and World Mission Goku:Xeno didn't went through a BoG-like event
(this is even reinforced by Goku:Xeno not recognizing Goku:CC's power as Blue; it was left vague enough it could be taken as Xeno not recognizing specifically the Blue transformation and not just the God Ki though)

[Rakurai]

Holy crap... my response to the question below literally just got deleted cause I got logged out of Kanzenshuu after being idle for a while (since I was writing my response). WITH TRANSLATIONS AND VIDEO LINKS. UGHHHH

Fuck it, I'm not gonna type all of that shit again. Here's a tl;dr of what I intended to write.

That happened in a 3DS game, not in this one

Could you please elaborate some more? For the sake of me learning.

Every DBH game, manga and anime beside the arcade is not canon for the main DBH continuity.
Their events are therefore irrelevant outside the media where they happen.

Goku:Xeno saying he has been Super Saiyan God once upon a time applies only the the Goku:Xeno of that specific game(DBH:Ultimate MIssion X for 3DS) and nowhere else unless stated explicitly.
Currently, it hasn't been stated anywhere else, including World Mission and, most importantly, the arcade.

In short, to our knowledge Arcade Goku:Xeno and World Mission Goku:Xeno didn't went through a BoG-like event
(this is even reinforced by Goku:Xeno not recognizing Goku:CC's power as Blue; it was left vague enough it could be taken as Xeno not recognizing specifically the Blue transformation and not just the God Ki though)

Tl;dr

The full mission dialogue has XGoku recognize SSG Goku and wants to know who's stronger, "the me who borrowed everyone's power" (SSG Goku) or "the me who trained with his own power" (XGoku).

After sifting through some previous videos with mission cutscenes, XGoku can also sense God ki, recognizes Champa, Vados, Zamasu, and Gowasu. Also knows Beerus and Whis. Also, XTrunks doesn't know how to sense God ki but he does seem to know Zamasu...

This would imply that UMX XGoku is actually based on the events of DBS as opposed to GT, except for the remark of 'me who trained with his own power' which is basically how GT takes place in (EoZ Goku going away, training with Uub, etc etc).

BUT, I can't be sure because I simply watched the videos without fully understanding the context behind the missions. The dialogue strongly suggests that XGoku recognizes them because he knew them prior, not because he was filled in by XTrunks or Chronoa.

Someone who's more knowledgeable on the UMX story (like Cipher or S3 Hendrix, maybe they can help) should fill in on this and clarify if need be. But after watching a few videos, and again I stress that I don't know the full story, the dialogue I read makes it all the more clear that UMX XGoku is primarily based on a Super timeline. This XGoku likely doesn't have SSJ4 either because SSJ4 XGoku wasn't released at the time of UMX's release and a SSJ4 XGoku card was never available on UMX AFAIK. And obv, no SSG or SSB XGoku exists in any media, nor is he implied to have access to either of them.

Now Idk whether XGoku recognizes any GT characters or movie villains, haven't seen any of videos with GT/movie characters interacting with him. I can't be bothered to go through each and every one of the channel's videos either.

Conclusion? UMX XGoku is based on Super, SDBH XGoku is based on GT/movies.

Ughh... sorry still ticked my previous response got deleted. Going to (for reals now, after many additional edits ) now lol.

[Grand Marshal 1]

So we actually have two Xeno "Gokus".....And I thought that it couldn't get more complicated than this!

[Rakurai]

Sorry forgot to include the link to the channel which I'm referencing to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LukkvZy ... U0&index=1

As one can see, the videos are tediously long (though it's mostly gameplay) so it would take a long time to sift through.

So we actually have two Xeno "Gokus".....And I thought that it couldn't get more complicated than this!

Yes there are two incarnations of XGoku, one for UMX and one for SDBH. The UMX storyline is partly centralized around DBS characters (up to the FTrunks arc) so that would probably be why the Time Patrol characters know a priori who they are. Another possibility is that the UMX Time Patrol have encountered these characters through time traveling in the past as part of the setting of the game.

Anyways, it shouldn't be all too complicated. UMX is self-contained and should not be used as source or canon reference material for SDBH. The story and setting actively involves your avatar, the main player (recruited as part of the Time Patrol), whereas in the SDBH arcade your avatar doesn't actually exist within the story and its missions.

[ankokudaishogun]

So we actually have two Xeno "Gokus".....And I thought that it couldn't get more complicated than this!

It's like we have more than one "Classic" Goku because of the difference between anime, manga and the movies.

TL;DR: the only important Goku:Xeno is the Arcade one, because everything Heroes is derived\based on the Arcade

[Rakurai]

Some other interesting interactions I found in DBH UMX.

XTrunks recognizes Super 17 (GT) in one mission. And I'm not talking about 17, he literally says Super 17.

XGoten and XTrunks don't know who Bardock is when his team (TV special crew AKA Toma, Seripa, Toteppo, Panpuukin) mentions him. For that matter, they don't know who Turles is either (XGoten mistakens him for Goku at first and Bardock's team thinks he's Bardock).

A kinda-sweet, kinda-typical interaction between XGoten and Bardock. Gotta say this is one of those few rare but awesome moments where Bardock interacts with his grandson Goten, the other being a Raging Blast what-if story. Bardock being Bardock still ends up wanting to fight XGoten as a way of saying thanks as a Saiyan for beating Turles.

XVegeta got no chill with King Vegeta, young Vegeta, and younger Nappa lol. Fights them head on.

XTrunks and XGohan recognize Bio-Broly as Broly but are freaked out by his grotesque form. Gohan says Goku isn't here, but he'll defeat Broly in place of him (similar to dialogue he had in M10).

XGoku, XTrunks, and Player avatar meet with Beerus and Zamasu ( ). XGoku recognizes Beerus-sama, but Beerus doesn't know who he is yet he guesses they are the Time Patrol, which shocks XTrunks but Beerus is a god himself after all so ofc he should know ( ). Beerus remarks that XGoku seems to be acquainted with a Beerus from a different timeline, which pretty much confirms UMX XGoku did fight Beerus as a SSG at one point. Also, this is where XTrunks meets Zamasu for the first time so I guess that clears my confusion in my earlier post. Zamasu acts as a guide to hunt down those possessed by evil energy. Not sure why Beerus would be with Zamasu in the first place... (Zamasu turns out to be the dude with the evil energy later on btw, he was deceiving them all along.)

After Player avatar, XGoku, and XTrunks are finished fighting (sparring?) with Whis, they are seen panting and remarking how strong Whis is (duh). Whis comments that XGoku definitely received his other timeline self's teachings. So this pretty much confirms that UMX XGoku also did train with Whis at one point after BoG.

Great Saiyaman 1 interacting with GT Gohan, 5-year old Pan, and Videl in her DBS attire. Note Great Saiyaman doesn't know Pan is his future daughter. Though XGohan recognizes Pan, but that's not too surprising.

Great Saiyaman 2 interacting with Future Gohanks and... Gohanks: EX? Telling them off because of their hair? Yeah I don't even know anymore lol.

[Rakurai]

Also, are there really no English translations for the Story and Missions in DBH UMX anywhere on the internet? Since this is literally the first time I've read of them.

No wonder there's so much confusion regarding the character of Goku: Xeno. Bits and pieces of information get pulled apart into debates without knowing the entire story/context. Like the whole SSG XGoku confusion.

The answer is simple: the Goku: Xeno from UMX is clearly based in the DBS timeline, whereas the Goku: Xeno from the SDBH arcade as well as World Mission is based in the GT timeline. That's pretty much all there is to it.

And I can't really believe it took us until 2019 for the English fandom to figure it out lol.

[Noitsnothim]

Also, are there really no English translations for the Story and Missions in DBH UMX anywhere on the internet? Since this is literally the first time I've read of them.

No wonder there's so much confusion regarding the character of Goku: Xeno. Bits and pieces of information get pulled apart into debates without knowing the entire story/context. Like the whole SSG XGoku confusion.

The answer is simple: the Goku: Xeno from UMX is clearly based in the DBS timeline, whereas the Goku: Xeno from the SDBH arcade as well as World Mission is based in the GT timeline. That's pretty much all there is to it.

And I can't really believe it took us until 2019 for the English fandom to figure it out lol.

but shouldn't UMX come after World Mission? How's Xeno Goku who's based off of GT Goku stronger in his base than SSGSS Goku ?

[Rakurai]

but shouldn't UMX come after World Mission? How's Xeno Goku who's based off of GT Goku stronger in his base than SSGSS Goku ?

Umm, where did you even get the idea that UMX comes after World Mission? Is there something in World Mission that suggests such a thing?

[Noitsnothim]

but shouldn't UMX come after World Mission? How's Xeno Goku who's based off of GT Goku stronger in his base than SSGSS Goku ?

Umm, where did you even get the idea that UMX comes after World Mission? Is there something in World Mission that suggests such a thing?

Oops sorry I just thought because in that game Beat has Super Saiyan God and stuff

[Rakurai]

but shouldn't UMX come after World Mission? How's Xeno Goku who's based off of GT Goku stronger in his base than SSGSS Goku ?

Umm, where did you even get the idea that UMX comes after World Mission? Is there something in World Mission that suggests such a thing?

Oops sorry I just thought because in that game Beat has Super Saiyan God and stuff

Oh, gotcha, no worries then.

Just to clarify, Beat or the player in UMX actually gets recruited into the Time Patrol and works with all of them. XVegeta is also a Time Breaker for some time. The setting for UMX is entirely different from World Mission, which is based more on the Victory Mission manga setting by Toyotarou. With the DB world taking over the real world kind of scenario.

Anybody who reads or lurks on this thread, who follows DBH or SDBH, and who cares about proper continuity, pls tell your friends and families what's recently been posted. It's 2019 and we need to stop spreading misinformation without the full story or context like Geekdom101 did with his stupid ill-informed and incomplete "Who's Goku Xeno video?" and making people think SDBH XGoku had god ki at one point. Psh, yeah research my ass.

[Noitsnothim]

Umm, where did you even get the idea that UMX comes after World Mission? Is there something in World Mission that suggests such a thing?

Oops sorry I just thought because in that game Beat has Super Saiyan God and stuff

Oh, gotcha, no worries then.

Just to clarify, Beat or the player in UMX actually gets recruited into the Time Patrol and works with all of them. XVegeta is also a Time Breaker for some time. The setting for UMX is entirely different from World Mission, which is based more on the Victory Mission manga setting by Toyotarou. With the DB world taking over the real world kind of scenario.

We're talking DC/Marvel universe & Timelines level stuff lol so two Xeno Goku's based on Diff Goku's (SUPER & GT) ? My brain hurts

[Rakurai]

We're talking DC/Marvel universe & Timelines level stuff lol so two Xeno Goku's based on Diff Goku's (SUPER & GT) ? My brain hurts

You're exaggerating this.

The official Dragon Ball canon involving the manga, the Z anime, Minus, and both DBS media as well as the film is far more convoluted and poorly constructed. Not only are there two canons for DBS, it also constantly contradicts and retcons itself.

The SDBH series is far more easier by comparison. Arcade is main canon, 100%. The way I see it, promotional anime and manga are secondary canon, some parts only fitting if there is no contradiction to the arcade. World Mission is self-contained but derived from the arcade. UMX is self-contained.

So if you can handle and grasp the main series canon, you can certainly handle the Heroes canon.

[Grand Marshal 1]

So is it safe to assume that UMX Xeno characters have been through:
1)The entirety of DBZ

2)DBZ: Dead Zone

3)DBZ: The World's Strongest

4)DBZ: Lord Slug

5)DBZ: Cooler's Revenge

6)DBZ: The Return of Cooler

7)DBZ: Super Android 13

8)DBZ: Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan

9)DBZ: Bojack Unbound

10)DBZ: Fusion Reborn

11)DBZ: Wrath of the Dragon

12)DBZ: Battle of Gods

I am still not sure if they would also go through the entirety of the FT arc, based only on the fact that XTrunks was aware of who Zamasu is, but if so, then would the Tournament of the Destroyers and the Golden Frieza arcs be part of their story? Because Goku definitely experienced early GF arc training with Whis.

About the movies, I excluded the Tree of Might (for Turles), Broly Second Coming (as Gohan was probably facing Broly a second time in his life and not a third), Bio-Broly (for the reasons that you mentioned).

Btw, what is this Goku's most powerful form? That is all I need to know to evaluate my assumption on which arcs he has been trough. If he can go Blue, then most definitely has he battled Zamasu and Black, (I am still not sure if Frieza ever appeared, or if Champa met with this version of Goku).

[Kanassa]

Also, are there really no English translations for the Story and Missions in DBH UMX anywhere on the internet? Since this is literally the first time I've read of them.

Alakazam translated most of the story dialogue over in the UMX Thread.

[Rakurai]

Also, are there really no English translations for the Story and Missions in DBH UMX anywhere on the internet? Since this is literally the first time I've read of them.

Alakazam translated most of the story dialogue over in the UMX Thread.

Certainly not the parts involving Beerus and Whis at least, which are important to establishing the timeline that UMX XGoku is from and avoiding the SSG confusion in the first place. Seems like alakazam only translated bits here and there too.

So is it safe to assume that UMX Xeno characters have been through:
1)The entirety of DBZ

2)DBZ: Dead Zone

3)DBZ: The World's Strongest

4)DBZ: Lord Slug

5)DBZ: Cooler's Revenge

6)DBZ: The Return of Cooler

7)DBZ: Super Android 13

8)DBZ: Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan

9)DBZ: Bojack Unbound

10)DBZ: Fusion Reborn

11)DBZ: Wrath of the Dragon

12)DBZ: Battle of Gods

I am still not sure if they would also go through the entirety of the FT arc, based only on the fact that XTrunks was aware of who Zamasu is, but if so, then would the Tournament of the Destroyers and the Golden Frieza arcs be part of their story? Because Goku definitely experienced early GF arc training with Whis.

About the movies, I excluded the Tree of Might (for Turles), Broly Second Coming (as Gohan was probably facing Broly a second time in his life and not a third), Bio-Broly (for the reasons that you mentioned).

Btw, what is this Goku's most powerful form? That is all I need to know to evaluate my assumption on which arcs he has been trough. If he can go Blue, then most definitely has he battled Zamasu and Black, (I am still not sure if Frieza ever appeared, or if Champa met with this version of Goku).

The UMX Xeno characters all come from separate timelines. XTrunks doesn't recognize who Beerus and Whis are, but recognizes Super 17. He wasn't aware of who Zamasu was, the mission I mentioned above was his first time meeting him. XGoten recognizes Baby's ki within Baby Vegeta. XGoku recognizes Champa, Vados, and also Gowasu as Zamasu's teacher. I haven't gone through all of the dialogue but there's probably other stuff that further distinguishes them from one another.

There's a part where Golden Frieza does find you, the Player avatar. Unclear if XTrunks knew about Golden Frieza beforehand, but the dialogue is too ambiguous to conclude for sure. Tournament of Power arc isn't covered in UMX at all, so I highly doubt any of the UMX Xeno characters are aware of its events.

UMX XGoku hasn't transformed throughout the game, nor are there any SSJ XGoku cards in the game. UMX doesn't have any SDBH cards, and SSJ XGoku first debuted in SDBH. The dialogue strongly suggests UMX XGoku doesn't have access to SSG, as he was surprised to see SSG right in front of his eyes and seemed to reminisce about those memories. Then he wanted to compare who was stronger, SSG Goku or himself.

[SaiyaSith]

Anyone know when the new episode comes out?

[S3 Hendrix]

Also, are there really no English translations for the Story and Missions in DBH UMX anywhere on the internet? Since this is literally the first time I've read of them.

Alakazam translated most of the story dialogue over in the UMX Thread.

Certainly not the parts involving Beerus and Whis at least, which are important to establishing the timeline that UMX XGoku is from and avoiding the SSG confusion in the first place. Seems like alakazam only translated bits here and there too.

So is it safe to assume that UMX Xeno characters have been through:
1)The entirety of DBZ

2)DBZ: Dead Zone

3)DBZ: The World's Strongest

4)DBZ: Lord Slug

5)DBZ: Cooler's Revenge

6)DBZ: The Return of Cooler

7)DBZ: Super Android 13

8)DBZ: Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan

9)DBZ: Bojack Unbound

10)DBZ: Fusion Reborn

11)DBZ: Wrath of the Dragon

12)DBZ: Battle of Gods

I am still not sure if they would also go through the entirety of the FT arc, based only on the fact that XTrunks was aware of who Zamasu is, but if so, then would the Tournament of the Destroyers and the Golden Frieza arcs be part of their story? Because Goku definitely experienced early GF arc training with Whis.

About the movies, I excluded the Tree of Might (for Turles), Broly Second Coming (as Gohan was probably facing Broly a second time in his life and not a third), Bio-Broly (for the reasons that you mentioned).

Btw, what is this Goku's most powerful form? That is all I need to know to evaluate my assumption on which arcs he has been trough. If he can go Blue, then most definitely has he battled Zamasu and Black, (I am still not sure if Frieza ever appeared, or if Champa met with this version of Goku).

The UMX Xeno characters all come from separate timelines. XTrunks doesn't recognize who Beerus and Whis are, but recognizes Super 17. He wasn't aware of who Zamasu was, the mission I mentioned above was his first time meeting him. XGoten recognizes Baby's ki within Baby Vegeta. XGoku recognizes Champa, Vados, and also Gowasu as Zamasu's teacher. I haven't gone through all of the dialogue but there's probably other stuff that further distinguishes them from one another.

There's a part where Golden Frieza does find you, the Player avatar. Unclear if XTrunks knew about Golden Frieza beforehand, but the dialogue is too ambiguous to conclude for sure. Tournament of Power arc isn't covered in UMX at all, so I highly doubt any of the UMX Xeno characters are aware of its events.

UMX XGoku hasn't transformed throughout the game, nor are there any SSJ XGoku cards in the game. UMX doesn't have any SDBH cards, and SSJ XGoku first debuted in SDBH. The dialogue strongly suggests UMX XGoku doesn't have access to SSG, as he was surprised to see SSG right in front of his eyes and seemed to reminisce about those memories. Then he wanted to compare who was stronger, SSG Goku or himself.

Goku: xeno SSJ is in UMX, also the game includes a hand full of SDBH cards (SH2-CP for sparking transformation, sh1 sec Vegito blue, jiren promo, sh5 golden frieza with halo, and a few other promo cards) they even added a few of the actual bosses from SDBH to fight