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[Kamiccolo9]

If Piccolo couldn't dodge it, then no way F. Gohan can.

The circumstances were different. Gohan was already fighting Dabura, so he would have already been in the mindset to avoid whatever Dabura did. Piccolo was just standing there, when the bad guy flew up and spit on him. It doesn't even really look like he tried to dodge it. Also, if there was enough time between Dabura spitting and the spit hitting Piccolo for Kaioshin to warn them about it, then it probably wasn't moving very fast (compared to attacks that Piccolo dodges regularily.)

Piccolo was watching Dabra. He was in fighting stance and still couldn't avoid it.

You can't really tell what kind of a stance he's in though. As I see it, he was stunned by Dabura blowing up Kibito, who was the aide/bodyguard of the guy that Piccolo was in awe of, and didn't dodge the spit. As I said above, Kaioshin had time to warn them, and Piccolo is capable of moving faster than the eye can see. He should have been able to dodge it, unless he was distracted by something else.

[dbzfan7]

You can't really tell what kind of a stance he's in though. As I see it, he was stunned by Dabura blowing up Kibito, who was the aide/bodyguard of the guy that Piccolo was in awe of, and didn't dodge the spit. As I said above, Kaioshin had time to warn them, and Piccolo is capable of moving faster than the eye can see. He should have been able to dodge it, unless he was distracted by something else.

Possibly. I'm looking at my manga page and he looks prepared.

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[Kamiccolo9]

You can't really tell what kind of a stance he's in though. As I see it, he was stunned by Dabura blowing up Kibito, who was the aide/bodyguard of the guy that Piccolo was in awe of, and didn't dodge the spit. As I said above, Kaioshin had time to warn them, and Piccolo is capable of moving faster than the eye can see. He should have been able to dodge it, unless he was distracted by something else.

Possibly. I'm looking at my manga page and he looks prepared.

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What page are you looking at? I've got the one where he gets spit on right in front of me, and the last time you see him, he's crouched behind a rock. I just don't think that he looks prepared. He looks more like he's stunned.

[dbzfan7]

You can't really tell what kind of a stance he's in though. As I see it, he was stunned by Dabura blowing up Kibito, who was the aide/bodyguard of the guy that Piccolo was in awe of, and didn't dodge the spit. As I said above, Kaioshin had time to warn them, and Piccolo is capable of moving faster than the eye can see. He should have been able to dodge it, unless he was distracted by something else.

Possibly. I'm looking at my manga page and he looks prepared.

Nice new avatar.

Thanks!

What page are you looking at? I've got the one where he gets spit on right in front of me, and the last time you see him, he's crouched behind a rock. I just don't think that he looks prepared. He looks more like he's stunned.

Piccolo looks like he is looking up at Dabra in fighting stance and then flinches as the spit touches him. The image is really small though.

[Kamiccolo9]

Piccolo looks like he is looking up at Dabra in fighting stance and then flinches as the spit touches him. The image is really small though.

Well, it just looks like a black blob to me

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that Dabura's spit isn't shown to be moving really fast. Certainly not as fast as ki attacks that Piccolo dodges all the time.
The anime also shows it this way. At around 1:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JrB9uJREao

[dbzfan7]

Piccolo looks like he is looking up at Dabra in fighting stance and then flinches as the spit touches him. The image is really small though.

Well, it just looks like a black blob to me

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that Dabura's spit isn't shown to be moving really fast. Certainly not as fast as ki attacks that Piccolo dodges all the time.
The anime also shows it this way. At around 1:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JrB9uJREao

In the anime it's slower yes. Could be the same in the manga. Though in the anime Piccolo is up close and can't dodge (same as Gohan) while F. Gohan can.

[Kamiccolo9]

Piccolo looks like he is looking up at Dabra in fighting stance and then flinches as the spit touches him. The image is really small though.

Well, it just looks like a black blob to me

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that Dabura's spit isn't shown to be moving really fast. Certainly not as fast as ki attacks that Piccolo dodges all the time.
The anime also shows it this way. At around 1:15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JrB9uJREao

In the anime it's slower yes. Could be the same in the manga. Though in the anime Piccolo is up close and can't dodge (same as Gohan) while F. Gohan can.

Well, like I said to Saiga earlier, both Present Gohan and Piccolo (anime) were charging at Dabura when they got spit on. Future Gohan in this manga was punching him. It's way easier to stop a punch than it is a full-on charge.

[dbzfan7]

Well, like I said to Saiga earlier, both Present Gohan and Piccolo (anime) were charging at Dabura when they got spit on. Future Gohan in this manga was punching him. It's way easier to stop a punch than it is a full-on charge.

Even so their speed is much greater then F. Gohan and yet they can't dodge the spit. F. Gohan dodges it at point blank range. Even closer then Gohan and Piccolo who still got hit.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well, like I said to Saiga earlier, both Present Gohan and Piccolo (anime) were charging at Dabura when they got spit on. Future Gohan in this manga was punching him. It's way easier to stop a punch than it is a full-on charge.

Even so their speed is much greater then F. Gohan and yet they can't dodge the spit. F. Gohan dodges it at point blank range. Even closer then Gohan and Piccolo who still got hit.

They are much faster, but that also means they would have way more forward momentum. All future Gohan had to do was move his head. Present Gohan and Piccolo would have had to yank their entire bodies out of a high speed charge, while they are charging at the spit. Their own speed would work against them.

[dbzfan7]

Well, like I said to Saiga earlier, both Present Gohan and Piccolo (anime) were charging at Dabura when they got spit on. Future Gohan in this manga was punching him. It's way easier to stop a punch than it is a full-on charge.

Even so their speed is much greater then F. Gohan and yet they can't dodge the spit. F. Gohan dodges it at point blank range. Even closer then Gohan and Piccolo who still got hit.

They are much faster, but that also means they would have way more forward momentum. All future Gohan had to do was move his head. Present Gohan and Piccolo would have had to yank their entire bodies out of a high speed charge, while they are charging at the spit. Their own speed would work against them.

I'm pretty sure it's easier for Gohan and Piccolo to dodge the spit charging then it is for some one like F. Gohan reacting faster then Piccolo and Gohan (who got a warning and knew what it was capable of). F. Gohan was most likely charging as Dabra had enough time to speak. The design shows lines surrounding F. Gohan (usually to symbolize speed) which shows F. Gohan's body as if his whole body is moving forward towards Dabra. He seems to be making the same move Gohan and Piccolo do.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm pretty sure it's easier for Gohan and Piccolo to dodge the spit charging then it is for some one like F. Gohan reacting faster then Piccolo and Gohan (who got a warning and knew what it was capable of). F. Gohan was most likely charging as Dabra had enough time to speak. The design shows lines surrounding F. Gohan (usually to symbolize speed) which shows F. Gohan's body as if his whole body is moving forward towards Dabra. He seems to be making the same move Gohan and Piccolo do.

Well, anime Piccolo didn't know what it was capable of, while Present Gohan blocked it with his hand, rather than dodge, indicating to me that he was unable to simply get out of the way.
If it weren't for Dabura spitting, and Kaioshin having time to warn everybody about it before the spit hit Piccolo and Krillin, I'd agree with you. But these are people who regularly dodge attacks that are faster than the eye can see. If Kaioshin had enough time to warn them about the spit before it hit, then they had enough time to sidestep it. That they didn't says to me that they either ignored Kaioshin's warning, or were too stunned by Dabura killing Kibito to react.

[dbzfan7]

I'm pretty sure it's easier for Gohan and Piccolo to dodge the spit charging then it is for some one like F. Gohan reacting faster then Piccolo and Gohan (who got a warning and knew what it was capable of). F. Gohan was most likely charging as Dabra had enough time to speak. The design shows lines surrounding F. Gohan (usually to symbolize speed) which shows F. Gohan's body as if his whole body is moving forward towards Dabra. He seems to be making the same move Gohan and Piccolo do.

Well, anime Piccolo didn't know what it was capable of, while Present Gohan blocked it with his hand, rather than dodge, indicating to me that he was unable to simply get out of the way.
If it weren't for Dabura spitting, and Kaioshin having time to warn everybody about it before the spit hit Piccolo and Krillin, I'd agree with you. But these are people who regularly dodge attacks that are faster than the eye can see. If Kaioshin had enough time to warn them about the spit before it hit, then they had enough time to sidestep it. That they didn't says to me that they either ignored Kaioshin's warning, or were too stunned by Dabura killing Kibito to react.

Maybe Piccolo had "Kaio-What" moment.

Kaioshin: Watch out for his spit

Piccolo (with time to dodge) Watch out for his what now? (Hit)

Gohan: Hey Piccolo why didn't you dodge?

Goku: Too Soon Gohan.

[Kamiccolo9]

I'm pretty sure it's easier for Gohan and Piccolo to dodge the spit charging then it is for some one like F. Gohan reacting faster then Piccolo and Gohan (who got a warning and knew what it was capable of). F. Gohan was most likely charging as Dabra had enough time to speak. The design shows lines surrounding F. Gohan (usually to symbolize speed) which shows F. Gohan's body as if his whole body is moving forward towards Dabra. He seems to be making the same move Gohan and Piccolo do.

Well, anime Piccolo didn't know what it was capable of, while Present Gohan blocked it with his hand, rather than dodge, indicating to me that he was unable to simply get out of the way.
If it weren't for Dabura spitting, and Kaioshin having time to warn everybody about it before the spit hit Piccolo and Krillin, I'd agree with you. But these are people who regularly dodge attacks that are faster than the eye can see. If Kaioshin had enough time to warn them about the spit before it hit, then they had enough time to sidestep it. That they didn't says to me that they either ignored Kaioshin's warning, or were too stunned by Dabura killing Kibito to react.

Maybe Piccolo had "Kaio-What" moment.

Kaioshin: Watch out for his spit

Piccolo (with time to dodge) Watch out for his what now? (Hit)

Gohan: Hey Piccolo why didn't you dodge?

Goku: Too Soon Gohan.

That's more or less what I'm thinking.

[miguelnuva1]

Dabura's spit looked like it flew at the same speed if someone normal spit. Piccolo didn't think to dodge, present Gohan was stupid and F Gohan has Salagir in his back pocket.

[RandomGuy96]

...I think this special is replacing the Cold wank and Broly wank as my most hated part of DBM...

[Saiga]

This is a serious contender for worst special, which is saying something.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't know about that, it's still got the Bardock and Bojack specials to compete with

[Saiga]

Eugh, I forgot about the Bojack special. Although the biggest problem there is the art, while I'm just basing this off story. Some moments in the story were pretty bad but not this bad.

As for Bardock... I forgot all the bad parts of that. Hanasia, power level retcons, general oddness... I still don't think that puts that in the realm of this special, though.

[Godo]

After seeing Broly going toe-to-toe with motherfucking Vegetto there is nothing, [b]nothing[/b], that will ever raise my expectations of DBM again.
I read it like in the way people watch trainwrecks. It's a comic that so far is going more and more downwards.
Starting as a web comic with beautiful art and concepts, it has developed into a mix of fanwanking and delusions.
And now when Gogeta Jr. Isn't there to hold Salagir's leash, all hell will break loose.

Other people adding something good? Salagir rejects them.
People offering free high grade English translations? Fuck 'em.
People giving constructive criticism? To hell with them.

It's fascinating reading the works of a self-obsessed, narcissistic individual. It's had evolved beyond Dragonball to me and more into a character study of one certain individual.

[RandomGuy96]

Eugh, I forgot about the Bojack special. Although the biggest problem there is the art, while I'm just basing this off story. Some moments in the story were pretty bad but not this bad.

As for Bardock... I forgot all the bad parts of that. Hanasia, power level retcons, general oddness... I still don't think that puts that in the realm of this special, though.

The story wasn't quite as bad as this... but it was incredibly boring, which is arguably worse.

But at least you can laugh at everyone's faces. It actually reminds me a lot of DragonzBall Pee...

After seeing Broly going toe-to-toe with motherfucking Vegetto there is nothing, nothing, that will ever raise my expectations of DBM again.

So you knew it was shit from the very first page?

I got to agree. Even King Cold suddenly pulling two new ultra powerful transformations out of his ass didn't reach the level of ridiculousness of that fight. What's worse is that I seem to remember Salagir saying that he KNOWS Broly is probably weaker than Cell and would get thrashed by base Vegetto, but he decided to haxx him anyway because "Broly is cool".