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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:50 am

Completely agree with RandomGuy on this one.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by BlackMagick » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:50 pm

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BlackMagick wrote:How strong is Bojack? Is he more or less on par with Super Perfect Cell? If so, then yeah, I'd say that Bojack would take the win.
Base Bojack: easily tools SS Vegeta, SS Trunks, and Piccolo without even uncrossing his arms.

Super Bojack: defeats SS Gohan and nearly kills him, but is destroyed by SS2 Gohan, who punches right through his chest.

I have base Bojack as strong as the Cell that fought Goku, and Super Bojack between that Cell and full power Perfect Cell (not SPC). Regular Perfect Cell was at least able to survive a few hits from SS2 Gohan, even if the last one did revert him to his last form, while Bojack was pretty much done after being punched once.
That's fair, then. I forgot where his power bracket was because I haven't seen the Bojack movie in 7 or 8 years. But I suppose we can all agree that Bojack would shine on Piccolo with no problem.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:53 pm

Gohan VS Buunameba.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:29 pm

Is this just Evil Boo with Janenba absorbed? If that's so, Gohan wins, almost as easily as he beat Evil Boo.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by White Oni » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:35 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Gohan VS Buunameba.
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I'm not keen on janemba numbers but from what I gather, he's as strong as super Buu. So it would turn out almost exactly as buutenks vs gohan would, gohan gets stomped.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:38 pm

White Oni wrote:
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Gohan VS Buunameba.
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I'm not keen on janemba numbers but from what I gather, he's as strong as super Buu. So it would turn out almost exactly as buutenks vs gohan would, gohan gets stomped.
If Gotenks' transformations are consistent with Goku's (heck, even if they aren't) then Janemba is nowhere near as strong as base Super Buu. Super Buu ain't as strong as Gotenks, either. What makes you think Janemba is even close to his level? All he did was beat Goku, and he had trouble with that.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:42 pm

Yeah, Janenba was below SS Fusion-tier, which is above SS3-tier, while Evil Boo was on SS3 Fusion-tier. Nothing puts him on par with Evil Boo.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by White Oni » Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:53 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yeah, Janenba was below SS Fusion-tier, which is above SS3-tier, while Evil Boo was on SS3 Fusion-tier. Nothing puts him on par with Evil Boo.
Ahhh, Ok, I was misguided by a crappy interpretation of a dub line where Goku compares janemba to buu(unspecified), my bad.

Wow, Janemba is a lot weaker than I always assumed.

I think gohan and Buunemba would be close but Gohan would come out on top.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:13 pm

White Oni wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yeah, Janenba was below SS Fusion-tier, which is above SS3-tier, while Evil Boo was on SS3 Fusion-tier. Nothing puts him on par with Evil Boo.
Ahhh, Ok, I was misguided by a crappy interpretation of a dub line where Goku compares janemba to buu(unspecified), my bad.

Wow, Janemba is a lot weaker than I always assumed.

I think gohan and Buunemba would be close but Gohan would come out on top.
Goku says Fat Janemba is stronger than some form of Buu. Almost certainly Fat Buu, as he then proceeds to thrash him with SS3.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by White Oni » Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:35 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
White Oni wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Yeah, Janenba was below SS Fusion-tier, which is above SS3-tier, while Evil Boo was on SS3 Fusion-tier. Nothing puts him on par with Evil Boo.
Ahhh, Ok, I was misguided by a crappy interpretation of a dub line where Goku compares janemba to buu(unspecified), my bad.

Wow, Janemba is a lot weaker than I always assumed.

I think gohan and Buunemba would be close but Gohan would come out on top.
Goku says Fat Janemba is stronger than some form of Buu. Almost certainly Fat Buu, as he then proceeds to thrash him with SS3.
The movies wank goku to all hell so that really doesn't mean anything...
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Post by Pantalones » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:10 am

I'd think a Buu+Janemba would be strong enough to at least have a decent fight with Gohan.

Gohan was stronger than Super Buu, yeah, but it's not like he's twice as strong as Buu or anything. Probably not even close to twice as strong--Buu+Gotenks+Piccolo (who probably would be a little over twice as strong as the original Super Buu, considering that SSj3 Gotenks had an edge on Buu but not a huge one) being able to stomp Gohan almost as bad as he was stomping Buu before proves that much. Janemba doesn't have to equal Super Buu (or even be all that close) for a Janemba-Buu to end up close to Gohan, or even a bit above Gohan.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:15 am

White Oni wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Goku says Fat Janemba is stronger than some form of Buu. Almost certainly Fat Buu, as he then proceeds to thrash him with SS3.
The movies wank goku to all hell so that really doesn't mean anything...
Goku had only fought Fat Boo at that point, and there is no reason to assume that Goku is stronger than usually this time.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by hleV » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:40 am

Evil Boo isn't SS3 fusion-tier. He couldn't do anything to Gotenks, besides surviving his not-completely-serious attacks due to regeneration.
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Post by Saitou Hajime » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:08 am

White Oni wrote: Perfect cell was able to survive a blow from ssj2 gohan.

Gohan utterly rapes "super(?) Bojack" and 1 blow, ripping right through him, like paper.
RandomGuy96 wrote:Regular Perfect Cell was at least able to survive a few hits from SS2 Gohan, even if the last one did revert him to his last form, while Bojack was pretty much done after being punched once.
But Gohan was pulling his punches on Perfect Cell to torture him, while he went all out on Bojack as per Goku's insistence.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:13 am

hleV wrote:Evil Boo isn't SS3 fusion-tier. He couldn't do anything to Gotenks, besides surviving his not-completely-serious attacks due to regeneration.
He was close to SS3 fusion-tier at least. Gotenks wasn't effortlessly kicking his ass like Gohan did.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:36 am

hleV wrote:Evil Boo isn't SS3 fusion-tier. He couldn't do anything to Gotenks, besides surviving his not-completely-serious attacks due to regeneration.
He dodged some hits and landed a few in turn. He threw Gotenks through the lookout, headbutted him, and nailed him with a mouth blast. His hits were powerful enough to bruise Gotenks, burn him, make him bleed, and knock out a couple of teeth. He also survived several attacks without regeneration, even a ki blast barrage from Gotenks that he was serious with. He was pissed off that Buu took it without any real damage. He's not quite as strong as Gotenks, but he's not too far off, either. The difference between them is probably similar to the difference between SS Goku and 100% Freeza, or Pure Buu and Mr. Buu.
But Gohan was pulling his punches on Perfect Cell to torture him, while he went all out on Bojack as per Goku's insistence.
He didn't look like he was trying against Bojack, and I highly doubt he was holding back so much with his first gut shot when the person he's punching can regenerate.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by dbgtFO » Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:31 pm

KentalSSJ6 wrote:Gohan VS Buunameba.
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Janemba-Buu ends up being just slightly inferior to Gohan, but with all the tricks up his sleeves he will easily defeat Gohan.

As far as Bojack compared to Cell..
I just have him stronger than Cell. I'd like to work with the logic, that each movie's main villain end up being at least as strong, if not stronger than the former villain in the series or movies(yes I know full well, that defunct Toei website said Janemba was stronger than Hildegarn).
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:06 pm

By that logic, Bojack is stronger than Super Perfect Cell.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Post by dbgtFO » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:16 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:By that logic, Bojack is stronger than Super Perfect Cell.
Yes, that is indeed what I'm saying.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:18 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:By that logic, Bojack is stronger than Super Perfect Cell.
Yes, that is indeed what I'm saying.
But SP Cell was about as strong as SS2 Gohan, while Bojack was nowhere near him.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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