"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[zamasu121]

If Zamasu defuses then its a big plothole.

How so?

Chapter looks exciting. Zamasu defusing because he isn't a kaioshin is a fun fold. Love Toyotaro's take.

It's really interesting. If there's one thing Toyotaro has proven to me over and over again, it's that he's unpredictable.

Because both Zamasu and Black are considered kaioshins since both can use the time ring.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I know this is the most irrelevant thing in the chapter so far, but I really like how Fused Zamasu demonstrates his immortality by regenerating a hole in his chest. It was left unclear the extent of his regenerative powers in the anime pre-Goomasu.

Because both Zamasu and Black are considered kaioshins since both can use the time ring.

The only thing you need to use a time ring is a Potara, from what we've seen. For the manga, you need literal Kaioshin for a permanent fusion. There's no contradiction other than Old Kaioshin's story from the Boo Arc.

[mfwlegend3]

Only one half of Merged Zamasu is a Kaioshin.

Then why is the U10 GoD dead if a Kaioshin exists?

[Kanassa]

I know this is the most irrelevant thing in the chapter so far, but I really like how Fused Zamasu demonstrates his immortality by regenerating a hole in his chest. It was left unclear the extent of his regenerative powers in the anime pre-Goomasu.

He did pretty much the same thing in the anime by spamming his immortality. Letting people constantly stab him so he can go "Okay, what about immortality don't you understand?", even letting Black impale him twice with no problem to let Black surprise stab Goku and Trunks.

[Sonicjamareiz]

I know this is the most irrelevant thing in the chapter so far, but I really like how Fused Zamasu demonstrates his immortality by regenerating a hole in his chest. It was left unclear the extent of his regenerative powers in the anime pre-Goomasu.

Vegito stabbed Zamasu in the heart if anything Merged Zamasu has regeneration similar to majin Buu's since the genki dama was the only move able to destroy both of them.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

He did pretty much the same thing in the anime by spamming his immortality. Letting people constantly stab him so he can go "Okay, what about immortality don't you understand?", even letting Black impale him twice with no problem to let Black surprise stab Goku and Trunks.

I wasn't talking about pre-Merged Zamasu.

[alakazam^]

Shouldn't Zamasu defuse before Vegetto...?

If he isn't spending more energy no.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Then I guess that's another reason why this chapter is hilariously bad. I suppose putting on the potara makes you a Kaioshin but also not a Kaioshin?

Only one half of Merged Zamasu is a Kaioshin.

Maybe that's what ultimately turns him into the universe glob the mortal half tries to defuse but the God half tries to stay fuse resulting in a blob of nothingness.

Kibito wasn't a Kaioshin and that fusion stayed permanent. Seems half Kaioshin is all that's needed to stay permanent.

[Rhuagh]

Future Zamasu was not a Kaioshin, and neither was Black. There can't be a Kaioshin without a Hakaishin. Putting on a Kaoishin's potara does not magically transform them into one, just like Goku and Vegeta don't become Kaioshin when they wear it.

To use the Time Ring they must wear a Kaioshin's potara, not be one. A unnoficial promotion, as Gowasu puts it. Anyone can do it, mortal or god. It does not really change your status.

Old Kai did not defuse because he was officially a god of creation, with his life linked to a god of destruction.

There's no plothole so far.

[Grimlock]

The only problem with that is Zamasu needing to use a Potara to time travel to the future with Gowasu and Goku Black using Time Ring. Since they aren't Kaioshins, they shouldn't be able to use those items.

But I'm glad that Toyotaro did this, it is required an official promotion in order to become a Kaioshin, rather than just putting earrings and that's it. It makes things more formal.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The only problem with that is Zamasu needing to use a Potara to time travel to the future with Gowasu and Goku Black using Time Ring. Since they aren't Kaioshins, they shouldn't be able to use those items.

Obviously, you don't have to be a Kaioshin to use a time ring then. The criteria instead must be to simply wear a Potara. These aren't unsolvable problems, just think a little.

[Basako]

I know this is the most irrelevant thing in the chapter so far, but I really like how Fused Zamasu demonstrates his immortality by regenerating a hole in his chest. It was left unclear the extent of his regenerative powers in the anime pre-Goomasu.

Because both Zamasu and Black are considered kaioshins since both can use the time ring.

The only thing you need to use a time ring is a Potara, from what we've seen. For the manga, you need literal Kaioshin for a permanent fusion. There's no contradiction other than Old Kaioshin's story from the Boo Arc.

This is it. You need a Potara to use the time rings but that doesn't make you a kaioshin. Neither Black or future Zamasu are kaioshins.

The only retcon is the same as the anime, the fusion is permanent only if at least one half is a kaioshin. We can assume for this that the elder was wrong or didn't know this, same as the anime.

And one more deduction. As the elder is not a kaioshin now, that would mean the fusion became permanent because it was done in the time he was.

[Tsufuru]

this is so boring tbh.
this manga is unnecessery as hell.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

this is so boring tbh.
this manga is unnecessery as hell.

You're free to stop reading if you don't like it. Some of us appreciate the alternative take.

[Tsufuru]

this is so boring tbh.
this manga is unnecessery as hell.

You're free to stop reading if you don't like it. Some of us appreciate the alternative take.

ok.

[LightBing]

I really wish Toyotarõ would stop abusing the callbacks. He's got at least one for chapter, it loses all it's possible positives with such frequency. Sometimes I think he sends those to Mr. Toriyama to see if he can actually remember his manga and say no. Unfortunately he never does.

[zamasu121]

In chapter 17 Gowasu gives his potara to Zamasu and that changes zamasu status to a kaioshin, so yes, it is a plothole(if it happens next chapter).

[OLKv3]

This chapter is hilarious. So bad that it's good. I love it.

Zamasu defusing literally means there's nothing to worry about since Black was being jobbed by SSG Vegeta.

Goku and Vegeta are completely battered and drained of ki. Only Trunks can fight.

anyway Vegetto chopping off Zamasu's hands was awesome. Zamasu having a time limit because he's not an official Kai is a welcome change as well. I'm starting to see how Trunks will defeat them now

Trunks speech to get Vegeta to get up off his ass and fuse is great too


Now, the thing I don't like about this chapter, is Goku being an out of character doormat. Just immediately giving in to Vegeta saying he refuses to fuse. Are you kidding me? Goku would never do that when he knows they're screwed.

This also proves what I said about time rings. You don't need to be a Kaioshin to use it. It's a law, but it's not required to physically use them. Neither Black or F.Zamasu are Kaioshin because they've never been officially crowned as one. They just killed a Kaioshin, stole a ring and ran off. It doesn't work like that

[Basako]

In chapter 17 Gowasu gives his potara to Zamasu and that changes zamasu status to a kaioshin, so yes, it is a plothole(if it happens next chapter).

Gowasu is still the kaioshin there, the earring permits Zamasu to travel with the ring, he doesn't become the kaioshin.

[Meshack]

this is so boring tbh.
this manga is unnecessery as hell.

No one is forcing you to read.