Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Marco Polo]

That's just someone random, not Salagir...

[DNA]

Okay, fair enough, I take it back.
On the other hand, it does help to further prove what I said about the specific Multiverse fandom. They don't even care that it's poorly written and it doesn't make any sense.

[dbzfan7]

Bring back Zen Boo (haven't seen him in a while). He was interesting. I still wanna see Vegetto vs Zen Boo.

[TheMightyOzaru]

How much more bull shit can be conjured by this series?

[dbzfan7]

How much more bull shit can be conjured by this series?

If you try to tempt fate like that your going to have a bad time.

[RandomGuy96]

What bugs me most about the changes is how completely unnecessary they are. There is no reason to screw with Freeza and Dodoria's power levels. It's perfectly believable that a combined Oozaru assault could kill an unprepared and suppressed Freeza. It's perfectly believable that a powerful Saiyan roughly around Bardock's level could delay Dodoria for just long enough to pull a fast one even without fighting (he's not the brightest, after all). You don't have to mess with the numbers to make those plot points work. Same with Bardock's backstory. Salagir changed how Bardock got his powers just because. Ditto with Gohan apparently training with Vegeta. How does it serve anything relevant to the plot at hand? It doesn't facilitate a damn thing. It's change for change's sake.

And given how DBM is primarily written around the butterfly effect, those random changes create all kinds of causality problems. On one hand, we're expected to consider that timelines can skew off of each other because one event happens instead of another. But at the same time we're presented with "alternate" interpretations of events and are told "this is how it always happened" irrespective of any alternate universe interpretation. You can't go around playing butterfly effect games with "the Dragon Ball you know" when even "the Dragon Ball you know" is getting changes of its own. It's like the first rule of experimentation. You only change one variable at a time.

This. So much. Again, what's even worse is that Salagir knows that he's wrong yet still changes shit for no reason. I think we should stop calling U18 the main universe at this point... I'm calling it the Salagir-verse.

How much more bull shit can be conjured by this series?

Were you really expecting better when the very first page of the comic has Broly fighting evenly with Vegetto?

[miguelnuva1]

Salagir broke off from the main universe a long time ago however. DBM would be 10x better if he Did the main story alongside the specials and Didn't make so many canon changes.

[TonyTheTiger]

Were you really expecting better when the very first page of the comic has Broly fighting evenly with Vegetto?

I don't even care about that. Broly never made any sense to begin with and at least Salagir's spin on what the "legendary Super Saiyan" actually means answers a question Toei failed to in its own movies and is a change (actually more like an elaboration) that is relatively self-contained. Squeezing in some of the the movies isn't the worst thing in the world and using an elaborated upon throwaway character to demonstrate Vegetto's power in order to, as I suspect will happen, succumb to the Worf Effect when put up against XXI, is actually extremely within Dragon Ball sensibilities. It's all the other stuff that bothers me. Bardock, King Cold, etc. Those are a lot worse. At least Broly served a clear narrative purpose.

[RandomGuy96]

Random: another thing I noticed was bullshit. During the Pan vs Kakarot fight, Pan is able to hold her own and damage Super Saiyan Kakarot quite a bit... but when she turns Super Saiyan she says she still can't beat him. When she should be fifty times stronger.

How weak does that make Kakarot anyway? Salagir said he never thought that the base saiyans surpassed Freeza. For Pan to give Kakarot so much trouble in just her base, and yet be weaksauce compared to the other base saiyans in her universe... he must be pathetic. That's the sensible power he should be at, but still. Freeza would one-shot him. Either that or Salagir can't power scale for shit.

I don't even care about that. Broly never made any sense to begin with and at least Salagir's spin on what the "legendary Super Saiyan" actually means answers a question Toei failed to in its own movies and is a change (actually more like an elaboration) that is relatively self-contained. Squeezing in some of the the movies isn't the worst thing in the world and using an elaborated upon throwaway character to demonstrate Vegetto's power in order to, as I suspect will happen, succumb to the Worf Effect when put up against XXI, is actually extremely within Dragon Ball sensibilities. It's all the other stuff that bothers me. Bardock, King Cold, etc. Those are a lot worse. At least Broly served a clear narrative purpose.

I guess you're right. But it just comes off as Broly wank of the worst kind. He flat-out admitted that he knew that Cell could beat Broly, yet haxxed Broly because "Broly is cool".

And I like that he has movie characters in the tournament. I would never have read in the first place had Cooler, Bardock, and Tapion not been here (I was looking forward to them, Dabura, and Zen Buu the most... imagine my disappointment when Cooler and Dabura were matched up against massively over leveled opponents and stomped in the first round). But I don't like that he changes so much of the movies (and everything else).

[Hellspawn28]

If you read the OP by Salagir, you'll notice this piece of information: "If the story goes well, the tournament will finish and a big adventure will follow."

Ugh, I bet we won't make it to the finals by 2020 .

[rereboy]

Were you really expecting better when the very first page of the comic has Broly fighting evenly with Vegetto?

That's hardly a problem with the right writing.

If it was me writing, I would simply change the characters reactions of when they realize that Broly was there. Instead I would make someone like Gohan say that even though Broly is dangerous, nowadays he is no longer a threat, and to that I would have Goku looking apprehensive and Vegeta saying something like: "Don't underestimate Broly... His power has always been completely abnormal and his potential unimaginable... When we fought him, his power always kept rising to new heights... And besides, this Broly is not our Broly... Who knows what happened in his universe and what his power might be..."

And when Broly broke free, I would make everyone look completely shocked by how strong he really was, including Vegetto.

To justify his power, I would change his backstory to include the fact that Broly's father, realizing his son's potential, got obsessed by it and so, after placing him under mind control, he made him go through injury after injury, zenkai after zenkai, brutal treatment after brutal treatment, just to make him as strong as possible so that he reached his full potential and nobody would ever stand a chance agaisnt them. And Broly, being the abnormality that he is, benefited tremendously from this. His zenkais would be better than the average saiyan and would not decrease nearly as much as they do with the average saiyan as he gets stronger.
This Broly would only break his mind control after meeting Goku, like in the movie, but he would be far stronger than the original, so Goku and the others would get killed. After that, Broly would go on a universal rampage, destroying nearly everything he could reach. Finally, after years of rampaging, when he finally couldn't reach anything more besides a few lifeless and unimportant planets, he would simply instinctively decide to rest on a ice planet with no other sentient beings and sleep, and he would become frozen solid because of it.

And of course, I wouldn't have any of that indestructible bullshit regarding LSSJs. They would only have abnormal power and they would reach their version of SSJ very easily and naturally. They would essentially be (Saiyan) mutants, like the members of the Ginyu force were.

Random: another thing I noticed was bullshit. During the Pan vs Kakarot fight, Pan is able to hold her own and damage Super Saiyan Kakarot quite a bit... but when she turns Super Saiyan she says she still can't beat him. When she should be fifty times stronger.

Not really. He was clearly holding back and suppressing his power (even in his SSJ) so that he didn't kill her or seriously hurt her. Pan knew that and so she knew that if he went all out she would still lose, even with her brand new SSJ. As for her attacks, they didn't damage him at all, just his armor. They just annoyed him.

[DNA]

*Broli's backstory*

And that's how you write something compelling, interesting and logical.

As for the Pan thing, Gohan made a pact with the Saiyans so that Kakarotto would hold back and not kill Pan. Nothing bullshity about that.

[dbzfan7]

*Broli's backstory*

And that's how you write something compelling, interesting and logical.

As for the Pan thing, Gohan made a pact with the Saiyans so that Kakarotto would hold back and not kill Pan. Nothing bullshity about that.

I find it odd why he went SSJ if he was already stronger in base.

[TheMightyOzaru]

*Broli's backstory*

And that's how you write something compelling, interesting and logical.

As for the Pan thing, Gohan made a pact with the Saiyans so that Kakarotto would hold back and not kill Pan. Nothing bullshity about that.

I find it odd why he went SSJ if he was already stronger in base.

Intimidation I suppose.

[dbzfan7]

Intimidation I suppose.

Maybe he is a trigger happy Super Saiyan.

[rereboy]

*Broli's backstory*

And that's how you write something compelling, interesting and logical.

As for the Pan thing, Gohan made a pact with the Saiyans so that Kakarotto would hold back and not kill Pan. Nothing bullshity about that.

I find it odd why he went SSJ if he was already stronger in base.

Could be just to make her give up faster or just because he felt like it.

[dbzfan7]

Could be just to make her give up faster or just because he felt like it.

Sounds about right.

[RandomGuy96]

Trying not to kill someone is one thing. Letting yourself get hit and actually getting pain, burn marks, and bruises is another. He should have tanked everything.

It just seems like something Toei would do, you know? Have someone do too well in base then only lose when they make themselves many times stronger.

[Saimaroimaru]

Trying not to kill someone is one thing. Letting yourself get hit and actually getting pain, burn marks, and bruises is another. He should have tanked everything.

It just seems like something Toei would do, you know? Have someone do too well in base then only lose when they make themselves many times stronger.

Seems more like a Shonen thing in general.

[rereboy]

Trying not to kill someone is one thing. Letting yourself get hit and actually getting pain, burn marks, and bruises is another. He should have tanked everything.

It just seems like something Toei would do, you know? Have someone do too well in base then only lose when they make themselves many times stronger.

He didn't let her do anything. He overdid his power suppressing because he underestimated her and therefore wasn't able to compensate in time to avoid being hit at all. Or, in other words, she surprised him and so she managed to hit him a few times, but didn't actually hurt him. And this is frankly quite common even in real life.