The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kaboom]

Are we really splitting hairs over semantics, now? Look, maybe on some magical far-off day we'll be given official power levels for all major characters ever, and we'll finally know exactly how strong Piccolo was right before he merged with Nail. Until then, it's anyone's guess, and mostly unimportant.

[Fox666]

and mostly unimportant.

I just wanted to emphasize that line.

[Saiga]

Honestly, in my fanon power levels I thought it was generous putting Piccolo at 12,000 (so that the fusion could be a even 20x multiplier of A + B). He was only there for 6 days.

The Namekian warriors had a battle power of 3,000 and Piccolo was above that during the Saiyan saga. I believe Nail is so strong because Guru unlocked his potential, so even if Piccolo was less than 10,000 it could still come as a shock to Nail.

Also I don't see how Piccolo's hearing would help in the fight with Gurd as he can't hear while time is stopped.

[Michsi]

Piccolo at 12,000

I'm not really into battle power debates and stuff but, really, weaker tha Krillin? Why in the world would he even consider joining the battle with a power level weaker than that of Vegeta's on earth, when ke knew there were beings far beyond that level.

[Rocketman]

The last power level Piccolo sensed was Nappa's 4000.

Personally, I like Piccolo (12,000) x horribly wounded Nail (100) = 1,200,000.

[Saiga]

Piccolo at 12,000

I'm not really into battle power debates and stuff but, really, weaker tha Krillin? Why in the world would he even consider joining the battle with a power level weaker than that of Vegeta's on earth, when ke knew there were beings far beyond that level.

Because his plan was incredibly stupid from the start? Going from 3,500 ish to 12,000 in 6 days is still extraordinary.

[Michsi]

Because his plan was incredibly stupid from the start? Going from 3,500 ish to 12,000 in 6 days is still extraordinary.

He might overestimated himself but he isn't the kind to go rushing in into battles like that . I'm sorry, but he isn't the type of character that charges in a fight when he is the weakest around.

And no, there is no way he is weaker than Krillin.

[Pantalones]

Also I don't see how Piccolo's hearing would help in the fight with Gurd as he can't hear while time is stopped.

Piccolo attacks Guldo. Before he can hit, Guldo stops time and runs away out of the path of the attack, just like he did against Gohan and Krillin. As soon as time starts again, Piccolo figures out where he's run off to by hearing his footsteps, or his breathing heavily after having to hold his breath for a while, or something like that... rather than by looking around wildly while wondering where the heck he went like Gohan and Krillin did.

So not so much hearing while time is stopped, just hearing where Guldo went after it's back to normal.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Piccolo is stronger than all of the Ginyu members except for Ginyu himself.

So yeah, I don't think he'd be able to take them all.

[Saiga]

Because his plan was incredibly stupid from the start? Going from 3,500 ish to 12,000 in 6 days is still extraordinary.

He might overestimated himself but he isn't the kind to go rushing in into battles like that . I'm sorry, but he isn't the type of character that charges in a fight when he is the weakest around.

And no, there is no way he is weaker than Krillin.

How is there no way he is weaker than Kurilin? Kurilin had a big upgrade from Guru's potential unlock, Piccolo only had 6 days to train. Sound like you say it's impossible because you don't like the thought of it.

And regardless of his power level, he did just want to go rushing into battle like that and would have got slaughtered if he didn't find Nail. He also didn't know how strong anyone on Namek was at the time.

[Michsi]

How is there no way he is weaker than Kurilin? Kurilin had a big upgrade from Guru's potential unlock, Piccolo only had 6 days to train. Sound like you say it's impossible because you don't like the thought of it.

You reasoning seems to be just as subjective seeing that there is NO proof whatsoever yet that he is as strong as you like.

Kaio said himself that half a year with him is a few thousand years of normal training on earth, so I don't find it at all hard to believe.

Tenshinhan and co. were way weaker than Goku when they started training with Kami yet in one year they greatly surpassed what Goku had accomplished in three years. Note that Tenshinhan starts with a battle power lower than that of Goku when he fought Daimao and becomes 7 times stronger in less than one year. Going back to Kaio's statement and the fact that this is Dragon Ball, then it's not far fetched at all.

And regardless of his power level, he did just want to go rushing into battle like that and would have got slaughtered if he didn't find Nail. He also didn't know how strong anyone on Namek was at the time.

He went there to help. He felt Freeza's power before he transformed and went straight for it. Gohan even said something like Piccolo not being the kind of guy to underestimate his opponents strength. He chose to fuse with Nail after he felt Freeza transform into his second form.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Personally, I like Piccolo (12,000) x horribly wounded Nail (100) = 1,200,000.

I don't think Nail's wounds affected Piccolo's power up.

[Saiga]

How is there no way he is weaker than Kurilin? Kurilin had a big upgrade from Guru's potential unlock, Piccolo only had 6 days to train. Sound like you say it's impossible because you don't like the thought of it.

You reasoning seems to be just as subjective seeing that there is NO proof whatsoever yet that he is as strong as you like.

Kaio said himself that half a year with him is a few thousand years of normal training on earth, so I don't find it at all hard to believe.

Tenshinhan and co. were way weaker than Goku when they started training with Kami yet in one year they greatly surpassed what Goku had accomplished in three years. Note that Tenshinhan starts with a battle power lower than that of Goku when he fought Daimao and becomes 7 times stronger in less than one year. Going back to Kaio's statement and the fact that this is Dragon Ball, then it's not far fetched at all.

I didn't say my reasoning wasn't subjective, you said there was no way that could be right as if it was fact. And it was specifically because it involved Kurilin.

[Michsi]

I didn't say my reasoning wasn't subjective, you said there was no way that could be right as if it was fact. And it was specifically because it involved Kurilin.

Yes, from an out of universe perspectve I doubt Toriyama would have Piccolo enter the scene while weaker than the weakest of the fighters there. My mind works like that sometimes.

But I usually take it as a given that statements like that are subjective especially in debates with no clear evidence one way or the other.

[Fox666]

Piccolo only "entered the scene" after he merged with Nail.

[Michsi]

Not the way I see it.

[Silkman3003]

What about

Gt Vegeta vs General Rildo

Scenario 1: Baby Saga GT Vegeta

Scenario 2: Shadow Dragon Saga GT Vegeta

Both start off in Base forms. GT Vegeta can go Ssj/Ssj2 at any time.

General rildo can also transform as well.

[Rocketman]

Tenshinhan and co. were way weaker than Goku when they started training with Kami

Goku never trained with Kami.

I don't think Nail's wounds affected Piccolo's power up.

Why not? Nail can't give Piccolo power that he doesn't have.

What about

Gt Vegeta vs General Rildo

Scenario 1: Baby Saga GT Vegeta

Scenario 2: Shadow Dragon Saga GT Vegeta

Both start off in Base forms. GT Vegeta can go Ssj/Ssj2 at any time.

General rildo can also transform as well.

In a sensible world, Vegeta will put up just as good of a fight as Goku did. If they're on M2, Vegeta might even win it by blowing the planet up.

By GT rules, Vegeta will get savaged right up the butt.

[Kaboom]

Tenshinhan and co. were way weaker than Goku when they started training with Kami

Goku never trained with Kami.

Not to mention that the humans trained as a group, which we've been told several times is more effective.

[Fox666]

Why not? Nail can't give Piccolo power that he doesn't have.

I don't see why this, or any other kind of fusion, would be affected by someone's injuries.