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Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:04 pm

eledoremassis02 wrote: Wait? You mean here or Japan? Because I am sure they are aware of Dragon Ball in Japan. It would probably be like reviewers here who reviewed Pokemon the first movie. Not to mention, I am not sure how these things work but I would assume a decent reviewer would research the franchise, or even have the information given to them in a press release.
I'm talking about the US and possibly other countries as well. Professional movie critic don't do research when watching a movie since movies often stand on their own.
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Post by Chuquita » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:41 pm

I actually think September is going to pass by and we still won't know what this movie's about; so depressing. T_T

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Post by eledoremassis02 » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:50 pm

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eledoremassis02 wrote: Wait? You mean here or Japan? Because I am sure they are aware of Dragon Ball in Japan. It would probably be like reviewers here who reviewed Pokemon the first movie. Not to mention, I am not sure how these things work but I would assume a decent reviewer would research the franchise, or even have the information given to them in a press release.
I'm talking about the US and possibly other countries as well. Professional movie critic don't do research when watching a movie since movies often stand on their own.
Well, then in that case. This movie is really for a selective audience anyway. Dragon Ball Z had it's heyday and those who know the series will probably go and see it anyway. Those who don't know a thing about the franchise might not see it and those who decide base on good or bad reviews will probably be small number compared to those who are familiar with the franchise. Hopefully fox is seeing this as an apology for DBE. That is, if there is even a theatrical run.

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Post by SparkyPantsMcGee » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:31 pm

A nationwide Dragonball anime debuting in theaters just seems surreal to me. I'd love to see it but I don't even know it would happen these days. I can see a limited release but then why would Fox get involved?
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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:40 pm

SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:A nationwide Dragonball anime debuting in theaters just seems surreal to me. I'd love to see it but I don't even know it would happen these days. I can see a limited release but then why would Fox get involved?
Fox Japan has a copyright on the website. Whether the American Fox is involved or will be involved is not clear.
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SparkyPantsMcGee wrote:A nationwide Dragonball anime debuting in theaters just seems surreal to me. I'd love to see it but I don't even know it would happen these days. I can see a limited release but then why would Fox get involved?
I have to agree since I would love to see a DBZ anime movie to be a major theatrical film nationwide but I highly doubt it. Realistically speaking . Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence, Evangelion 1.0 and Cowboy Bebop: The Movie got small releases here. As I mention before in the past, the US movie market think foreign and anime is not that marketable since most Americans don't care for foreign films. I think it's because they feel like only fans would see the movie and the fans are a small number compare to the number of general movie goers. Look at the box office charts for anime films in the US:

http://boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=anime.htm

Also Fox has released limited released movies before, they created Fox Searchlight Pictures after all :wink: .
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Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by soulnova » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:46 am

Check out Journey's End, a short story of Goku and Vegeta's final days. "Time is running out for the last two Saiyans"

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Post by penguintruth » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:57 am

I can just imagine Roger Ebert trying to figure out a DBZ movie.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:40 am

I remember seeing Ebert review of Pokemon: The First Movie. His opinion was similar to the NC's where he feel like the movie was confusing and that the movie had a pointless moral.

If the movie has no screening then he won't do a review of it. Dragon Ball Evolution didn't had a critic screening before it was release (Which is a bad sign) which is why he never reviewed DBE. If he then Ebert would likely not like it.
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Post by penguintruth » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:20 am

The English dub of Mewtwo Strikes Back totally screwed up the moral of the story (among other things).

I know it's highly suspect to say this, but I prefer to watch that particular Pokemon movie in Japanese with subtitles.
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Post by MasterVampire » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:39 am

I really hope they don't mess up the power levels or nerf some characters in this new movie.

The main characters are so strong by the end they are like Gods (Ultimate Gohan, SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, hell add fusion and they are unbeatable)

I just hope they remember where they all stand.

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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:42 am

Why can't a new villain be introduced that's beyond them? That's the standard formula for every shōnen ever. I don't think there's anything written anywhere that demands that Goku never be surpassed in raw strength and not save the day with the power of friendship and sheer tenacity.

That being said, if it DOES focus on the strength of characters above all else, I'm going to fall asleep immediately.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:47 am

What I'm afraid of is if they will drop Gohan & Gotenks below Goku.
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Post by VegettoEX » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:55 am

Gohan's already stopped his training completely and gets sneak-attacked, and Goten and Trunks have simultaneously both also fallen off the wagon, and also can't remember how to successfully do the fusion in time, so Goku has to be the one to save the day.

Done. Everyone's happy.

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Post by Chuquita » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:43 pm

I also don't care about power levels.


What I do wanna see is some fun character interaction and adventure. :3
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:50 pm

Yeah, as much as I have my criticisms with the power-scaling of the Boo arc, I honestly couldn't care less about how the main characters stack up next to each other in strength in this film. As long as it's entertaining, I don't give a shit.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:01 pm

I mainly want it entertaining too, but also being consistent doesn't hurt.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:03 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I mainly want it entertaining too, but also being consistent doesn't hurt.
Yeah, I know, but I'm not going to throw a hissy fit if the characters' strengths end up like DBZ Movie #13. IMO, that was one of the best films, regardless of SS3 Gokuu somehow managing to put up a better fight against Hildegarn than Gotenks and Gohan, and then pulling out the hitherto-unknown Dragon Fist.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:26 pm

Piccolo Daimao wrote:Yeah, I know, but I'm not going to throw a hissy fit if the characters' strengths end up like DBZ Movie #13. IMO, that was one of the best films, regardless of SS3 Gokuu somehow managing to put up a better fight against Hildegarn than Gotenks and Gohan, and then pulling out the hitherto-unknown Dragon Fist.
Goku wasn't nessesarily the strongest guy, since Gotenks & Gohan were caught off-guard, and Goku beat Hildegarn with his Ryu-ken, and Ryu-ken is not an ordinary attack.

But even if they make Goku the strongest guy, if the movie is good, then it's fine. I just want to enjoy the movie.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Mystery Jump Countdown: New DB Movie Confirmed!

Post by eledoremassis02 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:31 pm

I'm hoping for movies 1 & 2 style fight scenes. Those were better then some live action choreography! However, I don't think we'll see that. Though movie 12 was pretty close and had a good combination of Martial arts and fire balls :D

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