Things that grind your gears

[rereboy]

How much do I have to have seen? I've seen about 2 full episodes and 3 more episodes worth of material over the years. I have a pretty firm grasp of the show to give my thoughts on it.

To review a whole show? All of it.

To review just what you actually watched (aka those 5 episodes)? Just those 5 episodes, even though you are probably losing context if those episodes aren't in sequence.

For example, it doesn't make sense to review a whole book of 70 chapters when we just read a few chapters, but it does make sense to just review those chapters we actually read.

Of course, there's nothing stopping anyone from reviewing a show after having watched just a few episodes, but why should that review be taken seriously at all in that case?

[ABED]

How much do I have to have seen? I've seen about 2 full episodes and 3 more episodes worth of material over the years. I have a pretty firm grasp of the show to give my thoughts on it.

To review a whole show? All of it.

To review just what you actually watched (aka those 5 episodes)? Just those 5 episodes, even though you are probably losing context if those episodes aren't in sequence.

For example, it doesn't make sense to review a whole book of 70 chapters when we just read a few chapters, but it does make sense to just review those chapters we actually read.

Of course, there's nothing stopping anyone from reviewing a show after having watched just a few episodes, but why should that review be taken seriously at all in that case?

It's a representative sample of the show as a whole. I think you're off base by saying to review a show, you need to have watched it all.

There is no context for DBZA. It's pure parody. I know the DB story, so I get the plot and I get their humor, I just don't find it funny. Your book analogy doesn't work. It's closer to a series of short stories like Sherlock Holmes. You don't have to have read every single story in order to give a review of the whole. DBZA isn't remotely close to what you are making it out to be. It's not an original story that constantly builds on what came before. If you've seen DBZ, which I have, you get Abridged. It's DBZ, but done as a parody.

Do you want my review to be overly pedantic? Fine, of the material that I've seen, I think the show is awful, and I believe it to be representative of the show as a whole.

[rereboy]

It's a representative sample of the show as a whole. I think you're off base by saying to review a show, you need to have watched it all.

You don't need to have watch it all. Like I said in my last paragraph, there's nothing stopping anyone from reviewing after having watched only 5% of a show, for example.

But, like I said, why would anyone take that review seriously? Compared to a review from someone who has actually watched the whole show, that review is just very poorly informed about the product it's reviewing, and, regarding what the reviewer hasn't experienced, it just assumes that it remains exactly the same. In short, why would anyone even pay attention to those who don't really know most of the stuff they are judging?

There is no context for DBZA. It's pure parody.

Jokes can have context, namely being references to earlier moments or call backs. That context might be lost if those episodes weren't in sequence.

Do you want my review to be overly pedantic? Fine, of the material that I've seen, I think the show is awful, and I believe it to be representative of the show as a whole.

Not reviewing a whole show after only watching 5%, and choosing to just review those 5%, is not being overly pedantic. It's being just accurate, instead of making it sound like what we think about the other 95% is more than just a assumption on our part.

[ABED]

No, I do not need to have watched all of it to give my opinion on this matter. DBZA isn't some original work. It takes the basic bones of DBZ which I have seen and read and then parodies it. I can safely say that I don't need much context to say whether I think it's good or not. The quality of the jokes doesn't improve and the performances are moderately better. Don't compare it to original works where I am completely in the dark as to everything about it including plot and characters. The review from someone who has seen it is someone who has the patience and likes it enough to have seen it. I don't like it, hence why I haven't seen it all. It's that bad. Why haven't seen it all? Because it's terrible.

Jokes can have context

Sure, but I have the context of having seen Z and there are plenty of jokes that are pure one liners and not setup/payoff. It's not nearly as context heavy as you're making it out to be. Again with the "you just don't get it" type argument.

Again, you are the type that's proving my point. It's not such a sophisticated show that I have to see everything in order to like it or give my impression of it, because that's really what this is. It's not a review as much as my impression because who in their right mind would watch the entire show if they hate it just so they can meet your standard of a legitimate review?

[TekTheNinja]

Again, ABED... You're still being actually objectively wrong about things. Seriously. You clearly don't know nearly enough about the show. -_-

[rereboy]

No, I do not need to have watched all of it to give my opinion on this matter. DBZA isn't some original work. It takes the basic bones of DBZ which I have seen and read and then parodies it. I can safely say that I don't need much context to say whether I think it's good or not. The quality of the jokes doesn't improve and the performances are moderately better. Don't compare it to original works where I am completely in the dark as to everything about it including plot and characters. The review from someone who has seen it is someone who has the patience and likes it enough to have seen it. I don't like it, hence why I haven't seen it all. It's that bad. Why haven't seen it all? Because it's terrible.

Like I said, you can have your opinion, no one is stopping you. Just don't expect anyone to pay much attention to it if you haven't even watched most of what you are reviewing. I certainly won't. Like I said, that's something that "grinds my gears".

Personally, when a show "loses" me, I just say that I lost interest, and I might expand my thoughts on what I actually experienced if I feel like it. I don't presume to know how the show actually is after the point where I stopped. In fact, often I even get back to watching it if I'm told that it improves and is worthwhile to see if I agree with that.

Sure, but I have the context of having seen Z and there are plenty of jokes that are pure one liners and not setup/payoff. It's not nearly as context heavy as you're making it out to be. Again with the "you just don't get it" type argument.

I just mentioned that watching 5 episodes that are in sequence is better than 5 episodes that aren't in sequence and explained why. Nothing more.

Again, you are the type that's proving my point. It's not such a sophisticated show that I have to see everything in order to like it or give my impression of it, because that's really what this is. It's not a review as much as my impression because who in their right mind would watch the entire show if they hate it just so they can meet your standard of a legitimate review?

I'm proving your point because I think a review regarding a whole show from someone who has actually watched the whole show is far better and far better informed than one that has watched 5% of it...? Sure...

[Anime Kitten]

It's a representative sample of the show as a whole. I think you're off base by saying to review a show, you need to have watched it all.

Well, what if there's one episode of a good show that had bad art, poor acting, and ridiculous storytelling, and someone watched only that episode and proceeded to review the show? Would that be representative of the whole or just, for lack of a better analogy, a needle in a haystack?

[Bansho64]

Yeah, I think ABED kinda lost a bit of credibility after saying he's only watched five or so episodes. Especially if they're from the first season. I don't consider those representations of the show at all.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

How much do I have to have seen? I've seen about 2 full episodes and 3 more episodes worth of material over the years. I have a pretty firm grasp of the show to give my thoughts on it.

To review a whole show? All of it.

To review just what you actually watched (aka those 5 episodes)? Just those 5 episodes, even though you are probably losing context if those episodes aren't in sequence.

For example, it doesn't make sense to review a whole book of 70 chapters when we just read a few chapters, but it does make sense to just review those chapters we actually read.

Of course, there's nothing stopping anyone from reviewing a show after having watched just a few episodes, but why should that review be taken seriously at all in that case?

If you've seen one episode of Abridged, you've seen them all. DBZA isn't something you have to watch excessively to get it, all you need is a basic understanding of Dragon Ball's history.

[Robo4900]

If you've seen one episode of Abridged, you've seen them all. DBZA isn't something you have to watch excessively to get it, all you need is a basic understanding of Dragon Ball's history.

And with that, you've just lost all credibility with your argument too.

Seriously, Anime Kitten literally just addressed that "Argument"...

Well, what if there's one episode of a good show that had bad art, poor acting, and ridiculous storytelling, and someone watched only that episode and proceeded to review the show? Would that be representative of the whole or just, for lack of a better analogy, a needle in a haystack?

[ABED]

Yeah, I think ABED kinda lost a bit of credibility after saying he's only watched five or so episodes. Especially if they're from the first season. I don't consider those representations of the show at all.

No, I said I watched 2 whole episodes and 3 episodes worth of material. I watched 5 or 6 minutes of episodes from the Freeza arc and the Cell arc. So I've seen a good sample of the series and yes, even the first episodes are a good representation of the product as a whole as I don't think acting or the humor is any better from the beginning through now.

Well, what if there's one episode of a good show that had bad art, poor acting, and ridiculous storytelling, and someone watched only that episode and proceeded to review the show?

The assumption that it gets much better and stop making it seem like these guys created the show out of whole cloth. They took DBZ, shortened it and dubbed a bunch of silly jokes. You're analogy doesn't apply at all.

Personally, when a show "loses" me, I just say that I lost interest, and I might expand my thoughts on what I actually experienced if I feel like it. I don't presume to know how the show actually is after the point where I stopped.

This is where you are wrong. The show is ALWAYS like I've described it. It doesn't improve. I've seen clips from later portions of the series and it's the same quality of "writing". I will presume to know because I've seen enough to know. The kind of humor is the same throughout. If you don't think so, prove me wrong. Show me concrete examples where the kind of jokes are so much different or better than the beginning.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

And with that, you've just lost all credibility with your argument too.

Seriously, Anime Kitten literally just addressed that "Argument"...

You guys are treating this like an actual, legitimate show. It isn't. It's not like I watched one episode of Abridged and quit. I saw the first 10, and then several other random episodes after that. I've seen enough of it to know that it's not something you have to consistently watch to get. You can't say I've lost credibility because I haven't seen every last abomination of an episode.

[rereboy]

If you've seen one episode of Abridged, you've seen them all.

Is every episode exactly the same as the one before? Then, obviously not. If you don't actually watch it, you are just assuming. This is true for any show, book, series, etc.

[ABED]

If you've seen one episode of Abridged, you've seen them all.

Is every episode exactly the same as the one before? Then, obviously not. If you don't actually watch it, you are just assuming. This is true for any show, book, series, etc.

No, it's a very safe assumption. An episode in the Cell arc is the same type of humor as in the first season. And your book analogy falls flat. This is a parody. It's a string of jokes attached to DB in an effort to parody it. It's basically a long SNL sketch when they parody a movie.

Did I by some miracle just happen to watch a bunch of scenes where the type and quality of humor never changed?

I just mentioned that watching 5 episodes that are in sequence is better than 5 episodes that aren't in sequence and explained why. Nothing more.

Not really and not in this case. I saw the first two episodes and then extended clips of episodes scattered throughout its run. You may have explained why, but I don't think you're correct, especially in this case where fans are saying that season 1 is not the best indicator or the show as a whole. And I would also apply that to other shows like Buffy where if someone was on the fence about it, I would suggest a few episodes in the first season to watch, not simply the first 5.

I'm proving your point because I think a review regarding a whole show from someone who has actually watched the whole show is far better and far better informed than one that has watched 5% of it...? Sure...

You are assuming that one needs to watch all of it to get it. If you've seen DBZ, you have plenty of context to get it. It's also not the sophisticated. You continue to prove my point. You also aren't telling me anything specific about what I'm missing. You're being incredibly broad. I get that if someone doesn't watch the whole movie, they can't have an informed decision on it, but that is far more applicable to original stories, not parodies of this type. If I'm wrong, show me specifically where I'm wrong. Don't talk about it in the abstract. You think I'm missing an in-joke that could change my perception? Show me those jokes.

[jamiljamtheman]

[spoiler][/spoiler]
This DVD boxart/description for Broly Second Coming. Here's why:
This was the first Dragon Ball thing I properly fully watched, I think. I'm at my friend's house and see this cover, with Goku ON THE CENTER OF THE FRONT and MENTIONED IN THE DESCRIPTION as being targeted by Broly, and I expect to see Goku go Super Saiyan and fight this giant buff Super Saiyan named Broly. After all, how am I supposed to know he's deceased? The box certainly gives no indication, and that's my biggest gripe with it.

Though I admit now that the Gohan fight is pretty cool, this box led to quite the disappointment when I first saw the movie and witnessed many minutes dedicated to Broly throwing Trunks and Goten around; and Goku didn't show up until the very end and for only a minute tops. (Also I expected a movie with an actual plot, but that's for another time)

[ABED]

The misuse of the word "random".

[Ki Breaker]

The misuse of the word "random".

Can you give a random example

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The misuse of the word "random".

It's a necessary evil. Otherwise, we'd misuse spontaneous, and no one wants that.

[ABED]

The misuse of the word "random".

Can you give a random example

Often it's used simply as an adjective for something they don't like. It's not a case of something random. For instance, someone was talking about how they didn't think the Cell arc was good because there was all this buildup to the cyborgs "only to have the ultimate villain be some random monster."

It's a necessary evil. Otherwise, we'd misuse spontaneous, and no one wants that.

Random has a specific meaning. To quote Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means." Not you specifically, but you get the point.

[rereboy]

No, it's a very safe assumption.

You are literally saying that from the 5% of the show you saw, it's a very safe assumption that the other 95% is the same.

This is a parody.

There's nothing stopping someone from not finding episodes in season 1 funny, but finding lots of the jokes in episodes from season 3 very funny (or the opposite or any other combination). And no, that wouldn't be a miracle...

Not really and not in this case. I saw the first two episodes and then extended clips of episodes scattered throughout its run. You may have explained why, but I don't think you're correct, especially in this case where fans are saying that season 1 is not the best indicator or the show as a whole. And I would also apply that to other shows like Buffy where if someone was on the fence about it, I would suggest a few episodes in the first season to watch, not simply the first 5.

I don't even know why and what you are trying to discuss. In principle, watching episodes in the correct order is better than random episodes so that no context is lost. This is true even in comedies and parodies because jokes can be call backs to earlier episodes. That's all I mentioned, and I mentioned just as a detail, not an important point.

You are assuming that one needs to watch all of it to get it.

You obviously aren't reading my posts properly since I've already stated more than once that, no, you don't need to. Just don't expect anyone to find your review/opinion relevant or knowlegeable and pay attention to it if you can't even say you know most of what you are reviewing.