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Post by HyperBlaze » Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:55 pm

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HyperBlaze wrote:How can Vegeta Buu Arc be an alternate outfit for Vegeta Cell arc? It would'nt be Vegeta Buu Arc if they did and would kill the whole specific time version thing that DBZ is about. I think that sorta thing could only apply for a GT Vegata maybe!

And mid Goku is fine. Don't speak for everyone whom every said it.
Um, because the only difference between Android Saga and Buu Saga Vegeta is SSJ2? Seriously, there's no excuse for having them seperate. Just as there's no excuse for seperating Goku either. It's not to make it 'more time specific accurate', it's just being lazy. They have an existing character model, all they have to do is give it moves, instead of coming up with something from scratch.

And just because you're a BT/Spike fanboy doesn't mean the games are the most amazing things to ever exist to everyone else. I still prefer the Budokai series over the BT series, because Budokai did a much better job at re-creating the show IMO. And while BT3 looks like it'll be fun I have doubts to it being better than B3.
OK...1 your an idiot. How in the hell are you to go assumng that I'm a fan-boy like the ignorant fool you've clearly made yourself out to be.

Where do you or anyone get off calling anyone lazy? Just because they have'nt done what you would prefer?....bitch please.There's time Specific version cause thats how it was made out to be and how it truly should be, not cause there lazy which once again makes you ignorant cause you fly off at the mouth/mind on a whim.

How would you like if I said you were some Dimps/B3 fanboy and that does'nt mean that B3 etc. are the most amazing things to ever exist to everyone else, huh?

I'm only a fan of one thing and thats the show itself. The games (the good ones) just make it all the more fun to enjoy.

Saying that the Budokai series did a better job at recreating the series is just absurd and that ain't an opinion it's a fact! Anyone can shoot me down for what ever reason for saying that but it's a reality.You can't do half the things in B3 etc. that can be done in Sparking Neo/Meteor that is in the show,and it dawm sure don't have the real experience. B3 etc. is a cow that has been put out to pasture when Neo was released and Meteor was announced.

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Post by DNA » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:21 pm

Yawn, here we go again with the bitching and being an ass to eachother.

Anyway, I just saw some old piece of news that no one seemed to have noticed. They said there will be Tag Team specific attacks. Now if that's true, that sounds pretty sweet to me.

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Post by Conan the SSJ » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:54 pm

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Xyex wrote: I still prefer the Budokai series over the BT series, because Budokai did a much better job at re-creating the show IMO.
Ummm but B3 was a 2d sidescrolling fighter with a very limited arena and BT3 is a DBZ simulator... how can B3 better re-create the show?
Why argue with him over it? Xyex made it a point to say it's his own opinion, so since he didn't word his post to sound like a fact on all counts, there's no reason for you to contest it. Not trying to sound like an ass on my part, just don't see any point in there to being unnecessary arguing over something that was pointed out early enough to be a mere opinion. One of which I'm in agreement with Xyex on.

Love the Farmer fake! Too bad Spike's imagination is that of a lobotomized asylum patient in comparison to what Dimps has done for Budokai 2 and the SB games.
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Post by Xyex » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:57 pm

Ummm but B3 was a 2d sidescrolling fighter with a very limited arena and BT3 is a DBZ simulator... how can B3 better re-create the show?
The Budokai games are about fighting. The BT games are about flinging energy blasts that. The arena's in the Budokai games are far less limited than the ones in BT. I don't hit the walls nearly as often. And, gasp, I've never hit a wall in the RoSaT!

Sure, BT has the destructable environments and such, but when do you see characters flying around randomly and hiding behind buildings/mountains/whatever to power-up or launch a sneak attack? How often do you see the characters actually using that whole 'free roaming' thing that people say makes BT so much more like the show? Answer: Never. They launch in and attack and stay fairly close range the entire time and stick to a far more 2D battle scape than the BT games follow.

And then there's the capsule system. It's got flaws, some pretty bad ones for some things, but all-in-all it rules. You only need 1 Goku or Vegeta to cover the entire series cause you can customize their movesets. No need to add extra random versions of characters for no real reason. 8)
OK...1 your an idiot. How in the hell are you to go assumng that I'm a fan-boy like the ignorant fool you've clearly made yourself out to be.
Ignorant fool? Say what? I'm calling you a fan boy cause all that you've done in this entire thread is rant and rave about how awesome the BT games are and how much everyone else is an idiot for not thinking so. And you even did it again in your response to me. That = Fanboy.

Yes, I mention and explain why I like the Budokai games, but I also mention and explain what I think could/should have been done differently/better. I admit the flaws in the games I like. You ignore them and deny they even exist.
Where do you or anyone get off calling anyone lazy? Just because they have'nt done what you would prefer?....bitch please.
Oh, name calling! How fun. I can call them lazy because that's what it is. They're re-using an existing character model to make a character that isn't needed so that they don't have to make another character from scratch. Goku = Goku. It's just as simple as that.

Which is more lazy, a guy that takes a drawing of Goku and gives him a blue Gi instead of an orange one, or a guy that draws Dr. Whello or Toma or someone that isn't Goku instead? Yeah, I thought so.
There's time Specific version cause thats how it was made out to be and how it truly should be, not cause there lazy which once again makes you ignorant cause you fly off at the mouth/mind on a whim.
Time specific is fine, when it's actually called for. Such as Saiya-jin Saga Vegeta being seperate from the rest of Z. Oozaru is a lost form after the Saiya-jin Saga.

But alternate Goku's? No, not really. His biggest change is the addition of Kaio Ken and the SSJ forms. It's really not that hard to just not use them at a point in the series where he shouldn't have them. And... "Angry Kamehameha" as an Ultimate Blast? WTF? That's a Blast 2 skill, not an Ultimate Blast.

And I'm not the one that looks ignorant or who 'flies off at the mouth/mind on a whim'.
How would you like if I said you were some Dimps/B3 fanboy and that does'nt mean that B3 etc. are the most amazing things to ever exist to everyone else, huh?
If you did it wouldn't bother me any, though I'd ask for proof of where I fanboyed over B3. I state its pros and its cons, mention what I like and dislike about it. I haven't fanboyed over it. About the only game that I have ever fanboyed over is Robot Alchemic Drive. But that's giant robots and everybody loves giant robots.
I'm only a fan of one thing and thats the show itself. The games (the good ones) just make it all the more fun to enjoy.
And I never said otherwise. Nor did I say that the BT games weren't good. To me, the first one was better than Sagas (though that's not hard to achieve) but still not as good as the Budokai games. The second was close to, if not on par with, Budokai 2. And, as I've said, time well tell if BT3 beats out B3 but I'm not too sure it will. B3 was, and still is, just so much fun to me.

Sure, compared to the BT games the roster is small. But I prefer the combat mechanics of B3 (and w00t to BT3 stealing a few of those mechanics) over the BT game's style. The BT engine is good, and it can be highly entertaining. Hell, I was suggesting something similar (but more streamlined) since around the B2 days after I'd played ZoE the first time. But the engine they designed lends itself more to a beat 'em-up Sagas style brawler more than a fighting game, IMO.
Saying that the Budokai series did a better job at recreating the series is just absurd and that ain't an opinion it's a fact!
You seriously need to learn the definitons of fact and opinion. What you stated is 100% opinion. People have different views on things. I prefer the melee combat of the Budokai games mixed in with sparse, but powreful, energy attacks on occasion. And not only do I like the presentation better, I like the gameplay better. It's not broken. Hercule and the non-fliers are broken in BT2 and that detracts from the experience.
Anyone can shoot me down for what ever reason for saying that but it's a reality.
No, it's opinion.
You can't do half the things in B3 etc. that can be done in Sparking Neo/Meteor that is in the show,and it dawm sure don't have the real experience.
Um. You can fly. You can punch. You can kick (and GASP, they're not on the same button!). You can use energy blasts... Yeah, I don't see anything you can't do in B3 that you can in BT2. And you can also dodge and teleport far better in B3 than BT2. We shall see if BT3 matches B3 with those elements.
B3 etc. is a cow that has been put out to pasture when Neo was released and Meteor was announced.
Again, opinion. Just because you enjoy BT2 over B3 doesn't mean the rest of the world does too. I play BT2 still (I've played it probably 100x more than BT1) but I still pop in B3 because I find it a better experience. Hell, I put Budokai 1 in my PS2 last month just to play the story mode in it again. I can honestly say that, once I get BT3, I'll probably not touch BT2 again. Where-as I still play all 3 Budokai games.
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Post by Kaboom » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:02 pm

Xyex wrote:But that's giant robots and everybody loves giant robots.
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Post by DNA » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:07 pm

Xyex wrote:
But that's giant robots and everybody loves giant robots.
Everyone digs giant robots! \m/

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Post by Rory » Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:07 pm

DNA wrote:
Xyex wrote:
But that's giant robots and everybody loves giant robots.
Everyone digs giant robots! \m/
Correction, chicks dig giant robots. :P

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Post by HyperBlaze » Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:28 pm

Xyex wrote:
Ummm but B3 was a 2d sidescrolling fighter with a very limited arena and BT3 is a DBZ simulator... how can B3 better re-create the show?
The Budokai games are about fighting. The BT games are about flinging energy blasts that. The arena's in the Budokai games are far less limited than the ones in BT. I don't hit the walls nearly as often. And, gasp, I've never hit a wall in the RoSaT!

Sure, BT has the destructable environments and such, but when do you see characters flying around randomly and hiding behind buildings/mountains/whatever to power-up or launch a sneak attack? How often do you see the characters actually using that whole 'free roaming' thing that people say makes BT so much more like the show? Answer: Never. They launch in and attack and stay fairly close range the entire time and stick to a far more 2D battle scape than the BT games follow.

And then there's the capsule system. It's got flaws, some pretty bad ones for some things, but all-in-all it rules. You only need 1 Goku or Vegeta to cover the entire series cause you can customize their movesets. No need to add extra random versions of characters for no real reason. 8)
OK...1 your an idiot. How in the hell are you to go assumng that I'm a fan-boy like the ignorant fool you've clearly made yourself out to be.
Ignorant fool? Say what? I'm calling you a fan boy cause all that you've done in this entire thread is rant and rave about how awesome the BT games are and how much everyone else is an idiot for not thinking so. And you even did it again in your response to me. That = Fanboy.

Yes, I mention and explain why I like the Budokai games, but I also mention and explain what I think could/should have been done differently/better. I admit the flaws in the games I like. You ignore them and deny they even exist.
Where do you or anyone get off calling anyone lazy? Just because they have'nt done what you would prefer?....bitch please.
Oh, name calling! How fun. I can call them lazy because that's what it is. They're re-using an existing character model to make a character that isn't needed so that they don't have to make another character from scratch. Goku = Goku. It's just as simple as that.

Which is more lazy, a guy that takes a drawing of Goku and gives him a blue Gi instead of an orange one, or a guy that draws Dr. Whello or Toma or someone that isn't Goku instead? Yeah, I thought so.
There's time Specific version cause thats how it was made out to be and how it truly should be, not cause there lazy which once again makes you ignorant cause you fly off at the mouth/mind on a whim.
Time specific is fine, when it's actually called for. Such as Saiya-jin Saga Vegeta being seperate from the rest of Z. Oozaru is a lost form after the Saiya-jin Saga.

But alternate Goku's? No, not really. His biggest change is the addition of Kaio Ken and the SSJ forms. It's really not that hard to just not use them at a point in the series where he shouldn't have them. And... "Angry Kamehameha" as an Ultimate Blast? WTF? That's a Blast 2 skill, not an Ultimate Blast.

And I'm not the one that looks ignorant or who 'flies off at the mouth/mind on a whim'.
How would you like if I said you were some Dimps/B3 fanboy and that does'nt mean that B3 etc. are the most amazing things to ever exist to everyone else, huh?
If you did it wouldn't bother me any, though I'd ask for proof of where I fanboyed over B3. I state its pros and its cons, mention what I like and dislike about it. I haven't fanboyed over it. About the only game that I have ever fanboyed over is Robot Alchemic Drive. But that's giant robots and everybody loves giant robots.
I'm only a fan of one thing and thats the show itself. The games (the good ones) just make it all the more fun to enjoy.
And I never said otherwise. Nor did I say that the BT games weren't good. To me, the first one was better than Sagas (though that's not hard to achieve) but still not as good as the Budokai games. The second was close to, if not on par with, Budokai 2. And, as I've said, time well tell if BT3 beats out B3 but I'm not too sure it will. B3 was, and still is, just so much fun to me.

Sure, compared to the BT games the roster is small. But I prefer the combat mechanics of B3 (and w00t to BT3 stealing a few of those mechanics) over the BT game's style. The BT engine is good, and it can be highly entertaining. Hell, I was suggesting something similar (but more streamlined) since around the B2 days after I'd played ZoE the first time. But the engine they designed lends itself more to a beat 'em-up Sagas style brawler more than a fighting game, IMO.
Saying that the Budokai series did a better job at recreating the series is just absurd and that ain't an opinion it's a fact!
You seriously need to learn the definitons of fact and opinion. What you stated is 100% opinion. People have different views on things. I prefer the melee combat of the Budokai games mixed in with sparse, but powreful, energy attacks on occasion. And not only do I like the presentation better, I like the gameplay better. It's not broken. Mr. Satan and the non-fliers are broken in BT2 and that detracts from the experience.
Anyone can shoot me down for what ever reason for saying that but it's a reality.
No, it's opinion.
You can't do half the things in B3 etc. that can be done in Sparking Neo/Meteor that is in the show,and it dawm sure don't have the real experience.
Um. You can fly. You can punch. You can kick (and GASP, they're not on the same button!). You can use energy blasts... Yeah, I don't see anything you can't do in B3 that you can in BT2. And you can also dodge and teleport far better in B3 than BT2. We shall see if BT3 matches B3 with those elements.
B3 etc. is a cow that has been put out to pasture when Neo was released and Meteor was announced.
Again, opinion. Just because you enjoy BT2 over B3 doesn't mean the rest of the world does too. I play BT2 still (I've played it probably 100x more than BT1) but I still pop in B3 because I find it a better experience. Hell, I put Budokai 1 in my PS2 last month just to play the story mode in it again. I can honestly say that, once I get BT3, I'll probably not touch BT2 again. Where-as I still play all 3 Budokai games.
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Xyex.....Yawn! Who cares what you do..................anyways nobody asked you for what was better and what was'nt to begin with and mabye you hit walls cause you skills are poor :lol: . If you still play Budokai games well then thats great that you can revel in tierd games based on DBZ that does'nt offer what it truly is but whatever, you do you. Just keep it to yourself and stay on topic.

Anyways Cell jr. looks so menacingly innocent all curled up like that :lol: Cell got some cute kids :lol:

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Post by Ex-Dubbie369 » Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:38 pm

HyperBlaze wrote:Xyex.....Yawn! Who cares what you do..................anyways nobody asked you for what was better and what was'nt to begin with. If you still play Budokai games well then thats great that you can revel in tierd games based on DBZ that does'nt offer what it truly is but whatever, you do you. Just keep it to yourself and stay on topic.
Please, shut up and quit trying to shove your personal opinions down our throats and calling them "facts." You are doing the exact same thing that you're accusing Xyex of doing. I actually agree that B3 is a superior game to the Sparking games. IMO(since you tend to ignore that), it was more fun, though I don't think that it imitates the show as well as the Sparking games.

Also, try to type better, you little prick.

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Post by HyperBlaze » Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:48 pm

Ex-Dubbie369 wrote:
HyperBlaze wrote:Xyex.....Yawn! Who cares what you do..................anyways nobody asked you for what was better and what was'nt to begin with. If you still play Budokai games well then thats great that you can revel in tierd games based on DBZ that does'nt offer what it truly is but whatever, you do you. Just keep it to yourself and stay on topic.
Please, shut up and quit trying to shove your personal opinions down our throats and calling them "facts." You are doing the exact same thing that you're accusing Xyex of doing. I actually agree that B3 is a superior game to the Sparking games. IMO(since you tend to ignore that), it was more fun, though I don't think that it imitates the show as well as the Sparking games.

Also, try to type better, you little prick.
Once again yawn, yawn, yawn keep it coming cause it don't matter your responses are fickle. And I'll be that prick thank you very much but unlike most people I'm not lashing out at the developers for whatever selfish reason for not doing somthing that people with lives could'nt care about cause it ain't serious.

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Post by Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:39 pm

Ya' know, I think Piccolo and Cell should get body parts blasted off and then grow them back. I'd cry tears of joy if they did.

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Post by Humpski » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:58 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:Ya' know, I think Piccolo and Cell should get body parts blasted off and then grow them back. I'd cry tears of joy if they did.
That'd be kinda neat yeah.
Might get tired of that cut scene though after a while.

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Post by Conan the SSJ » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:58 pm

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:Ya' know, I think Piccolo and Cell should get body parts blasted off and then grow them back. I'd cry tears of joy if they did.
Piccolo, Nail, Garlic Jr., Cell, the Cell Jr., the Buus, and even Babidi (though he only regenerated because Buu 100% healed him) could all be made of use for that ability. It'd be a very innovative mechanic and wouldn't be limited to just one person like Mirai Gohan's one arm would be (if he was designed as such). That would be friggin awesome IMO, regeneration is something that the game developers haven't done since the first Butoden game for the Famicom.
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Post by Sshadow5001 » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:02 pm

DNA wrote:Anyway, I just saw some old piece of news that no one seemed to have noticed. They said there will be Tag Team specific attacks. Now if that's true, that sounds pretty sweet to me.
Tag specific attacks sound good.

Few guesses:
17 & 18
Goku & Vegeta
Tien & Chiaotzu
King Vegeta & Bardok
Tapion & Trunks
Piccolo & Nail

And yes removal of body parts would be interesting.

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Post by Kaboom » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:34 pm

Sshadow5001 wrote:King Vegeta & Bardock
King Vegeta: "You! Soldier! Get over here!"
Bardock: "Yes, sire!"

::They fire simultaneous, full-power blasts at the enemy. Bardock's is bigger and more powerful::

King Vegeta: ...O.o; WTF?
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Post by Ex-Dubbie369 » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:42 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:
Sshadow5001 wrote:King Vegeta & Bardock
King Vegeta: "You! Soldier! Get over here!"
Bardock: "Yes, sire!"

::They fire simultaneous, full-power blasts at the enemy. Bardock's is bigger and more powerful::

King Vegeta: ...O.o; WTF?
Shoot, I wanna see fusion between those two. (Bargeta, Vedock, FTW!?!?)

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Post by VegettoEX » Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:57 pm

Again, I point out that this forum (against all efforts and precautions) unfortunately proves the theory correct.

As a result, I'm simply locking this thread. There's quite clearly no real way for me to allow this one to continue. If people want to start up other threads that relate to specific things, feel free to. I'll be closely monitoring them and continuing to ban where necessary without warning.
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