The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Hellspawn28]

Speaking of Bio Broli. Bio Broli vs. Super 13. Who wins this round?

[RandomGuy96]

Speaking of Bio Broli. Bio Broli vs. Super 13. Who wins this round?

Bio-Broly one-shots. Super 13 is a shred weaker than 16 (according to the latter's D7 bio), who is far weaker than Semi-Cell, who is far weaker than SSG2 Vegeta, who is far weaker than CG SS Vegeta, who is on par with or weaker than SS Goten and Trunks (official stance: far weaker), who are a good deal weaker than LSS Bio-Broly.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Full power ssj Turles that just ate a fruit from the Tree of Might vs. Mecha Frieza

[Hellspawn28]

Bio Broli didn't one shots #18 from what I can remember and Super #13 should be stronger then #18 power scaling wise. Compare to other DBZ movie villains, Super #13 seems stronger then Metal Coola and Metal Coola after his repairs defeated Piccolo. Piccolo in DBZ Movie 6 was fused with Kami giving how Dende was the God of the Earth.

[RandomGuy96]

Bio Broli didn't one shots #18 from what I can remember and Super #13 should be stronger then #18 power scaling wise. Compare to other DBZ movie villains, Super #13 seems stronger then Metal Coola and Metal Coola after his repairs defeated Piccolo. Piccolo in DBZ Movie 6 was fused with Kami giving how Dende was the God of the Earth.

No one ever gets one shotted in these movies. But he did stand there and tank her without flinching, then casually knocked her out with a slap.

Metal Cooler is stronger than 17/Kamiccolo yet weaker than Super 13, who himself is a hair weaker than 16. Simple. Bio-Broly would then be superior to all previous movie villains, except himself (M10 Broly) and maybe Super Bojack.

[White Oni]

No guidebooks considered, it's incredibly difficult to infer how powerful super 13 is. The means of his defeat aren't really measurable... So I really don't think the question can be answered with much assurance.

[Saiga]

Post-Zenkai Gohan vs. First Form Freeza!

Who's stronger? Considering the fact that Vegeta stated that Gohan could turn the tide of the battle against Second Form Freeza via his Zenkai Boost, I can only assume that Kid Gohan would stand a decent chance against Freeza's first form. Which wouldn't be surprising since Vegeta was on First Form Freeza's level after a similar boost.

Going off the dialogue it seems like Gohan wasn't even rage boosted when he pinned down third form Freeza (unless I've missed a line somewhere). So I'd say he beats Freeza's first form easily.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't think anything is really implied one way or the other. But Gohan yelling "full power!" upon blasting Freeza would make you think that he was enraged. Anyway, I think Gohan would win. His zenkai boost was enough to take him from barely hurting 2nd form Freeza after catching him off guard and hitting him with everything while enraged to making 3rd form Freeza struggle a little, and he already was strong enough to help against 1st form Freeza without rage.

Androids 13, 14, and 15 vs android arc SS Vegeta, SS Trunks, and Piccolo (not fused)

[Kaboom]

Androids 13, 14, and 15 vs android arc SS Vegeta, SS Trunks, and Piccolo (not fused)

Thanks to Toei's typical "round one" movie shenanigans, it's hard to accurately gauge those three Androids' strength. But, my gut's telling me... the heroes can pull it off, but Vegeta and Trunks might have to help Piccolo with his Androids once they've finished off theirs.

[Hellspawn28]

I remember #15 died from Trunks sword, I don't think #14 and #15 were any stronger then Freeza. I think both SSj Vegeta and SSj Trunks should win this match in my opinion.

[Saiga]

I don't think anything is really implied one way or the other. But Gohan yelling "full power!" upon blasting Freeza would make you think that he was enraged. Anyway, I think Gohan would win. His zenkai boost was enough to take him from barely hurting 2nd form Freeza after catching him off guard and hitting him with everything while enraged to making 3rd form Freeza struggle a little, and he already was strong enough to help against 1st form Freeza without rage.

Androids 13, 14, and 15 vs android arc SS Vegeta, SS Trunks, and Piccolo (not fused)

Well, I'm referring just to this:

Chapter: 303 (DBZ 109), P9.2
Freeza: “That’s strange…That squirt shouldn’t have had so much battle power…He’s become like a different person after returning to life from the brink of death…”

And with Piccolo praising Gohan's strength after (saying he's gotten strong) it seemed like the point was how powerful the zenkai made him rather than his rage.

[KentalSSJ6]

16 in a 3v1 against Cold, Freeza, and Cooler.

16 VS Metal Cooler, Cooler clones are available.

[ZombieVito]

King Cold vs Cooler (He can't transform to his final form)

[RandomGuy96]

I don't think anything is really implied one way or the other. But Gohan yelling "full power!" upon blasting Freeza would make you think that he was enraged. Anyway, I think Gohan would win. His zenkai boost was enough to take him from barely hurting 2nd form Freeza after catching him off guard and hitting him with everything while enraged to making 3rd form Freeza struggle a little, and he already was strong enough to help against 1st form Freeza without rage.

Androids 13, 14, and 15 vs android arc SS Vegeta, SS Trunks, and Piccolo (not fused)

Well, I'm referring just to this:

Chapter: 303 (DBZ 109), P9.2
Freeza: “That’s strange…That squirt shouldn’t have had so much battle power…He’s become like a different person after returning to life from the brink of death…”

And with Piccolo praising Gohan's strength after (saying he's gotten strong) it seemed like the point was how powerful the zenkai made him rather than his rage.

I'd think that, if anything, that just supports Gohan not being enraged. No one was all like "well, things look pretty hopeless, but Gohan is already over one million! If we can just get him angry, he'll easily kill Freeza". I think those statements are just saying that the zenkai combined with the rage is what makes him so strong.

16 in a 3v1 against Cold, Freeza, and Cooler.

16 VS Metal Cooler, Cooler clones are available.

16 stomps so hard that the Freeza clan turns into diamond.

Going by the writer of these movies saying every new movie villain > every previous villain (seemingly discounting when the same villain appears multiple times), and the Daizenshuu saying 16 is the strongest android, which would make him stronger than 13, 16 should win this unless he lets Cooler regenerate too many times.

[Hellspawn28]

I would take the whole new movie villain > every previous villain statement with a grain of slat. I highly doubt Bio Broli is stronger then Movie 10 Broli and Cell. Bio Broli is just a clone and I doubt a clone would have the same power level that his original version did.

#16 wins the first round pretty easily since #16, #17, #18 and #13 can beat any version of Freeza. #16 and the Metal Coola's can go either way. I think #16 can blow them into dust, but the fight can go either way in my opinion.

[RandomGuy96]

I would take the whole new movie villain > every previous villain statement with a grain of slat. I highly doubt Bio Broli is stronger then Movie 10 Broli and Cell. Bio Broli is just a clone and I doubt a clone would have the same power level that his original version did.

#16 wins the first round pretty easily since #16, #17, #18 and #13 can beat any version of Freeza. #16 and the Metal Coola's can go either way. I think #16 can blow them into dust, but the fight can go either way in my opinion.

The writer was talking about coming up with NEW villains when he said they should at least be stronger than the last ones. Movie 11 doesn't feature a new villain, just Broly again, so he'd presumably be exempt.

[White Oni]

Whenever I heard people insist that each proceeding movie villain should logically be stronger than the last, I instantly think of the people who use the same brand of logic to try and argue that Kid Buu > Super Buu...

Needless to say, I'm not very fond of that "argument".

[RandomGuy96]

Whenever I heard people insist that each proceeding movie villain should logically be stronger than the last, I instantly think of the people who use the same brand of logic to try and argue that Kid Buu > Super Buu...

Needless to say, I'm not very fond of that "argument".

It's not an argument. It's literally what the writer of 13 of the Z movies said (and it only applies to them, not necessarily the manga). Cut the condescension. Like, in general.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

I do agree though that Janemba may be about as strong as normal Super Buu or maybe even slightly weaker. Goku SSJ3 stood some sort of a chance at first. He landed a couple good hits before Janemba began dodging attacks.

[RandomGuy96]

SS3 Gotenks >= Super Buu > SS2 Gotenks > SS Gotenks > SS Gotenks (pre-ROSAT) > SS3 Goku, going by what's stated in the manga.

If you think Gotenks gets different multipliers or something to justify having him relatively low with the abundance of SS Gotenks > Fat Buu statements, then at the very least he's as strong as two SS3 tier fighters (Mr. Buu and Pure Buu) put together.

Either way, Super Buu finger flicks Janemba. He's a closer counterpart to Pure Buu in power, personality, and role.