The Jackal wrote:[quote="Kamiccolo9Oooooooooooh, again . I'd say there is a bigger gap between Meta Cooler and Vegeta than there is with #18 and Vegeta.
That's what I think as well. Cooler was knocking the wind out of Vegeta every time he hit him, and basically ignored Vegeta in the second half of the fight. 18 and Vegeta actually exchanged blows for a while until 18 broke Vegeta's arm, and even then, it didn't take him out of the fight.
That wasn't Kamiccolo. There is mo way that TOEI fused Piccolo and Kami before AT did and then made him weaker the android saga ssjs.
She was toying with him.[/quote]
And? Meta Cooler took down Kamiccolo, whom was fighting on par with #17, with no effort. Need I also remind you that #17 is stronger than #18.[/quote]
Yes, it was Kamiccolo. Dende is guardian, Piccolo is alive, Kami was never stated to and had no reason to quit, and the Daizenshuu said he was fused. You'd have to start randomly denying what's in front of you and make up baseless theories in order to say he wasn't.
And why wouldn't Toei know? They knew Dende would be guardian...
Also, he wasn't shown to be weaker than Goku and Vegeta in that movie. Metal Cooler pwned everyone.
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The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Yeah... did Kami just decide to take a break or something? He certainly didn't die because Piccolo would be dead. The only, and mean only, logical explanation is that Piccolo fused with Kami. He also isn't weaker than the Artificial Human saga Super Saiyans, Cooler powered up after getting repaired and he took down Piccolo sometime after that.
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Salagir: So that's what happened in most of "non-DBZ" universes : Babidi, trying to go too fast, opened the cocoon before it was full of energy. The result, Buu is dead. Not even weakened, simply dead.
Is the bullshit over? Please tell me it's over.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Most disappointing special ever. Feels so rushed and of course the plot in relation to the overall dbz universe problems. Would rather go read the Bojack special all over again.
RandomGuy96 wrote:Is the bullshit over? Please tell me it's over.
Should be 4 more pages. It's over sooner if you turn your back on the comic entirely
Saimaroimaru wrote:Most disappointing special ever. Feels so rushed and of course the plot in relation to the overall dbz universe problems. Would rather go read the Bojack special all over again.
Quite possibly. Though the Saiyan one might be worse. not sure yet.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
You mean the U3 one? Even worse than the Bojack one?
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
RandomGuy96 wrote:You mean the U3 one? Even worse than the Bojack one?
U3 yes. It was not only bad, but it had the length of two chapters making it even worse.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Also, 10 Billion Powerful Warriors officially happens during the ten days before the Cell Game, so Piccolo was fused with Kami in that movie, whether you like it or not. ;D
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[quote][/quote]Salagir: So that's what happened in most of "non-DBZ" universes : Babidi, trying to go too fast, opened the cocoon before it was full of energy. The result, Buu is dead. Not even weakened, simply dead.
RandomGuy96 wrote:You mean the U3 one? Even worse than the Bojack one?
U3 yes. It was not only bad, but it had the length of two chapters making it even worse.
May I ask why?
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
RandomGuy96 wrote:You mean the U3 one? Even worse than the Bojack one?
U3 yes. It was not only bad, but it had the length of two chapters making it even worse.
May I ask why?
I found it really boring and it last two chapters with 3 updates a week. I can laugh and get a kick out of this bullshit. But U3 was just a really long boring two chapters. It's like how you can have fun with a bad game, but a boring one you can't.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Would rather go read the Bojack special all over again.
I wouldn't go nearly that far (Bojack and Cell specials will always be the worst ones to me... if I ever go back and re-read the full series I'm just going to skip right over those two), but yeah... this one wasn't too bad earlier on but it went way downhill after Gohan entered the ship.
Buu being dead when the pod was opened due to a lack of energy doesn't even make sense... In DBZ as we know it, there was a risk of Buu emerging early and killing everyone if someone tried to blow up Babidi's ship, even when he only had energy from SSj2 Gohan. Just taking a big chunk of Dabura's energy probably wouldn't give Buu quite as much power as draining ALL of SSj2 Gohan's energy, but it shouldn't make so much of a difference that Buu would go from "weaker than normal but still more than enough to wipe out the Buu saga SSjs/SSJ2s" all the way down to "not enough energy to even stay alive."
Also, 10 Billion Powerful Warriors officially happens during the ten days before the Cell Game, so Piccolo was fused with Kami in that movie, whether you like it or not. ;D
Wait. What!? The Gohan in movie 6 is pre ROSAT! Not to mention the lack of Trunks doesn't help.
Cipher wrote:Also, you can seriously like whatever and still get laid. That's a revelation that'll hit you at some point.
May 21st~May 22nd, Age 767
—DBZ Movie 6: Goku and co. travel to New Namek and battle Coola, who has returned as a series of robot copies after merging with the Big Gete Star, a mechanical planet.
[Ref: Daizenshuu 6 places this between the announcement of the Cell Games (May 17) and their opening on May 26. I’ve arbitrarily placed it at about the midpoint of those dates.]
May 21st~May 22nd, Age 767
—DBZ Movie 6: Goku and co. travel to New Namek and battle Coola, who has returned as a series of robot copies after merging with the Big Gete Star, a mechanical planet.
[Ref: Daizenshuu 6 places this between the announcement of the Cell Games (May 17) and their opening on May 26. I’ve arbitrarily placed it at about the midpoint of those dates.]
Assuming that movies 6,7, and 8 are in the same continuity, that's a really busy week
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Assuming that movies 6,7, and 8 are in the same continuity, that's a really busy week :P
Actually...
May 13th-14th
—DBZ Movie 7: Following Gero’s death, his computer completes Androids No.13, No.14, No.15, who come after Goku. After No.14 and No.15 are destroyed, No.13 absorbs their parts and powers up, but Goku defeats him with the energy from a Genki-Dama.
[Ref: While saying that the movie can be called the “events of a parallel world”, Daizenshuu 6 places it between Gero’s death (May 12) and Cell reaching his perfect form (May 16). I’m arbitrarily sticking it here
Although both Raging Super Fierce Fight and Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans also happen on that week.
And yes, for those still confused, officially, Movie 6 happens after Movie 7.
Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't think Buu is dead. I think Buu will likely show up in the next page and Gohan will likely kill him with a single attack .
I don't think he's dead either. I mean, the actual manga did the same thing, with everyone believing that Buu was dead when his ball was blasted open. It would be pretty anticlimactic to end like this.
Maybe this guy will surprise us all and have Buu turn Gohan into a Snickers or something.
. I'd say there is a bigger gap between Meta Cooler and Vegeta than there is with #18 and Vegeta.
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