Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[RandomGuy96]

Any other result would be bullshit (again). Even Fat Buu at 1% power should beat a weakling like Future Gohan.

[TheMightyOzaru]

That doesn't make any sense.

It does if you assume that the events leading up to that point in time aren't the same.

[Kamiccolo9]

That doesn't make any sense.

It does if you assume that the events leading up to that point in time aren't the same.

Yeah, I just assume that Kamiccolo killed Cell and the Androids, Trunks returned to his time, and no one ever went into the ROSAT. That covers pretty much all of the problems in the movie.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Yup.

[RandomGuy96]

That doesn't make any sense.

It does if you assume that the events leading up to that point in time aren't the same.

Yeah, I just assume that Kamiccolo killed Cell and the Androids, Trunks returned to his time, and no one ever went into the ROSAT. That covers pretty much all of the problems in the movie.

Wouldn't Vegeta and Trunks be in the ROSAT during that time?

[Kamiccolo9]

Wouldn't Vegeta and Trunks be in the ROSAT during that time?

Not if Piccolo killed Cell when he first fought him. Vegeta was still moping around after losing to 18 at that point.

[RandomGuy96]

I think it's a huge stretch to assume he can kill both androids. And how did he get around 16, who could one shot him?

[Kamiccolo9]

I think it's a huge stretch to assume he can kill both androids. And how did he get around 16, who could one shot him?

He convinced 17 to fight him one on one in the manga, and I think that he could have killed 17 if he had just Light Grenaded him at the beginning instead of wasting time trying to fight him. Also, with Piccolo being as strong as he was, Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks would have been able to help out. Goku and Vegeta could stall 18 while Piccolo took on 17 with support from Trunks.
16 may not have gotten involved. He never tried to jump into the fight between Piccolo and 17 in the manga. He may have just decided to be peaceful, and either disappear into the woods or something, or he could have volunteered to have his programming changed, like he did in the manga.
Or, 16 may not have existed in this timeline. We know he didn't in Trunks', so it's possible he wouldn't in this one as well.

Or, Piccolo could have gone alone, and since 17 and 18 can't sense ki, ambushed them with a Light Grenade when they were running in stores like 18 did in the anime filler. 16 would be off on his own playing with squirrels, and before they deal with him, they get called to Namek.

[miguelnuva1]

So Toei wrote a movie place during the Cell vs Piccolo vs 17 conflict back before Vegeta even fights 18 in the manga, before Cell even appears? Okay I know AT gave TOEI some heads up but that is way too much of a time jump.

DBZ Movie 6: Clash!! 10,000,000,000 Powerful Warriors (Return of Cooler)
Release Date: March 7, 1992
Manga Release (4 months back): "No. 17, No. 18, and… No. 16" (Dec 2, 1992)
Manga Release (6 months back): "Goku, Defeated!" (Oct 7, 1992)
Latest Manga Chapter Release: "The Mysterious Monster, Finally Appears!!" (Mar 2, 1992)
Between Episodes: #130 ("No. 20′s Defiant Smile… The Secret of Doctor Gero") - #131 ("A Present More Terrifying Than the Future?! Trunks’ Suspicions")


Other than Dende begin on Earth which could have just been a way to send Goku to Namek the movie is an Android era move based on everyone.

Gohan isn't a SSJ and has long hair.
No Trunks.
Goku is shown ahead of Piccolo.
The date which the movie was created and released.
Goku beats the first Meta Cooler by himself.
Goku is still using the Kaio-Ken

I know this is an alternate universe but there's a limit to how altered.

[Marco Polo]

I don't think Buu is dead. I think Buu will likely show up in the next page and Gohan will likely kill him with a single attack .

Salagir said he's dead, not even weakened, simply dead. Whether you like it or not

[coola]

I kinda feel sorry for Babidi, and yes, we get it, Gohan is cruel like Vegeta, no need to hammer it into our heads every page.

[RandomGuy96]

I still can't get over how bullshit his victory was. Dabura just happened to lose 95% of his power right before he fought Gohan for basically no reason. And that's the entire reason he won. I was at least expecting a tiny bit more thought to go into this. But the whole special basically boils down to "Gohan did shit while Babidi made his own henchmen weaker so Gohan wouldn't end up as a red smear on the ground".

[Insertclevername]

This part is kind of interesting: Gohan making conflicted on whether or not to spare Babidi kill him, then ultimately going against his father's example.

[DNA]

This part is kind of interesting: Gohan making conflicted on whether or not to spare Babidi kill him, then ultimately going against his father's example.

Really? He doesn't seem conflicted at all to me, it's just the narrator explaining, yet again, how different he is from his father.

[Rocketman]

Much like GT, I kind of like the idea but not the execution. Let me give it a tweak:

Babidi arrives on Earth to find it in ruin, with no huge power levels or large population to draw energy from. He's getting desperate, unable to find enough strength to recharge Buu and he knows the Supreme Kai is coming to kill him like he did Bibidi. Gohan finds them, and in the moment Dabura almost turns him, the only guy with any power they've found, to stone.

So Babidi takes a gamble. He siphons Dabura's strength to the Buu ball because he needs the energy released from fighting (if it was just from death, Dabura could've just oneshotted the base Saiyans instead of doing the tournament thing). Babidi is hoping that Dabura's strength will be enough to awaken Buu in an emergency (like if the Kai suddenly shows up), while also betting that Dabura can still beat up on Gohan and take his energy.

Gohan, with that Earthican charm for ki control, manages to surprise them both and kill Dabura, then current page.

[RandomGuy96]

That would still be dumb, and come off as an ass pull contrivance just to give Gohan a victory. If I was doing this special, here's what I'd change:

I wouldn't make this special. It doesn't need to exist. Babidi could've just come, grabbed the egg, and left. Or I could just replay that PSP game that already told this story.

Also, you'd have to deal with the issue of why Babidi was in a rush to revive Buu when Dabura was his only defense against the Supreme Kai. Also, why the Supreme Kai isn't there to begin with.

[Rocketman]

The PSP game was worse than this.

Much, much worse.


Supreme Kai paralyzing Dabura would work well, though.

[Hellspawn28]

I guess Salagir wanted his special to fit into the series seeing that Trunks is the same character from Universe 18 which could explain why he made Dabra so weak against Gohan.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don't know. Kaioshin was scared shitless of the dude for a reason. Something tells me paralyzing him wouldn't be so easy. Dabura has haxed abilities on his side as well such as the stone spit.

[TonyTheTiger]

Is Dabura immune to his own spit? I can imagine a few ways in which Gohan can "win" without actually fighting his way to the victory. You'd think the guy who survived the Androids for so long would be clever enough to outwit a stronger opponent. You could easily tell this same story without the contrivances of the Vegeta training and a weakened Dabura. This goes double if Trunks and the Androids were involved in some capacity. Of all the possible ways to tell this particular story, "Gohan shows up alone...Dabura gets stupidly weak...Gohan wins" is literally the most boring one imaginable. And that's not even taking into account the pointlessness of the Vegeta training. It's easy enough to justify this Gohan being harsher given his predicament without trying to shoehorn "Vegeta made him like this" into it.