Draconic wrote:We had vague statements in the anime about this, but to have a somewhat definitive answer/direct comparison to Vegetto's power against Beerus' is great. Hope it's accurate.
I sure toyotaro will troll us and say vegito have surpassed a surpressed Beerus , didn't a interview Said toriyama had no plan of goku and Vegeta of surpassing Beerus
Wtf is going with the artstyle,it still looks stiff like Last month,45 pages increase was not a good idea
Vegetto is neither Goku nor Vegeta so... Loophole! If he trolls us about this I'll be angry. Why put it there then?
Vegetto's a moron. We had 2 chapters of them explaining how draining SSB is. Vegetto should have just used the SSG to SSB trick to fight instead of using Blue. Of course he got defused.
If vegetto is stronger than berrus, who was more or less equal to merged Zamasu, and trunks straight up cut Merged Zamasu in half..
Trunks ikari> berrus?
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
Both Goku and Vegeta trained with Whis which made them stronger and they gained an even stronger form.
They both then trained some more before Champa's tournament then Vegeta trained even more before fighting Black again.
Fusing not only combines those 2 powers but also adds to it so I don't know how Vegetto couldn't be stronger. I doubt he's so stronger that he could sleep during a fight but he'd give him a lot of trouble if they fought.
I don't have a problem with him being>beerus
But i want to know if its accurate.
Draconic wrote:We had vague statements in the anime about this, but to have a somewhat definitive answer/direct comparison to Vegetto's power against Beerus' is great. Hope it's accurate.
I sure toyotaro will troll us and say vegito have surpassed a surpressed Beerus , didn't a interview Said toriyama had no plan of goku and Vegeta of surpassing Beerus
Wtf is going with the artstyle,it still looks stiff like Last month,45 pages increase was not a good idea
Vegetto is neither Goku nor Vegeta so... Loophole! If he trolls us about this I'll be angry. Why put it there then?
He is a troll like toei, but I do hope kaioshin isn't Being vague about it, but does it matter if vegito surpass beerus.
With this rate of the manga, the battle Royale is going to be awful in that version if he keeps increasing the page count to 45 o, like imagine that,80 figthers trowing homages and with badly drawn necks , you better suprise us toyataro
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Ah, the reactions from people to the new chapter....
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
Legion wrote:Vegeth in the manga is stronger than Merged Zamasu, and is not sure that we'll see genkidama Trunks.
He definitively is, he kicks his green ass, can't wait to see the whole fight. The Genkidama, for start, there are no more survivors in Earth, so the starting point for it is missing. We may not see it, that's good, because it was really bad.
A bit late to the party but from what I've gathered so far:
- Merged Zamasu beats up Goku and Vegeta
- Goku and Vegeta fuse to make Vegetto... again.
- Vegetto turns SSJB
- SSJB Vegetto smacks around Megred Zamasu
- Vegetto defuses before delivering the finishing blow
- The potara has officially been retconned
So... pretty much 2/3 of what happened in EP 66 of the anime has happened in the new chapter (so far). Am I missing anything?
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:A bit late to the party but from what I've gathered so far:
- Merged Zamasu beats up Goku and Vegeta
- Goku and Vegeta fuse to make Vegetto... again.
- Vegetto turns SSJB
- SSJB Vegetto smacks around Megred Zamasu
- Vegetto defuses before delivering the finishing blow
- The potara has officially been retconned
So... pretty much 2/3 of what happened in EP 66 of the anime has happened in the new chapter (so far). Am I missing anything?
Yeah, translations. Apparently merged Zamasu's fusion is not permanent either, because non of them was really a Kaioshin. Also, Vegetto maybe surpassing Beerus, according to Shin. But waiting for confirmations. And a moving speech of Trunks about future Bulma, how she wanted to travel to the past this time before dying, among other things.
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I want Merged Zamasu to de-fuse next chapter so much! Even though the anime's Gokû Black is far more entertaining than he is in the manga, I still want to see him again.
Lord Beerus wrote:A bit late to the party but from what I've gathered so far:
- Merged Zamasu beats up Goku and Vegeta
- Goku and Vegeta fuse to make Vegetto... again.
- Vegetto turns SSJB
- SSJB Vegetto smacks around Megred Zamasu
- Vegetto defuses before delivering the finishing blow
- The potara has officially been retconned
So... pretty much 2/3 of what happened in EP 66 of the anime has happened in the new chapter (so far). Am I missing anything?
Merged Zamasu's fusion isn't permanent because they're not Kais
He doesn't have the purple goo breakdown
Vegetto is said to be on Beerus' tier of strength
Trunks convinces Vegeta to get Goku to fuse
Wait a minute... Merged Zamasu has a time limit? What?!?! So how the hell did Old Kaioshin stay fused with the old witch? At least the anime hand-waved by stating that potara fusion is permanent when Kaioshin are involved. This sounds like a plot hole. I'm expecting an explanation for this, but it better be a good one. I'm expecting Toyotaro to retcon the old witch that Old Kaioshin fused actually being a Kaioshin. Even though that would not make a lot of sense considering she's a witch.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:Wait a minute... Merged Zamasu has a time limit? What?!?! So how the hell did Old Kaioshin stay fused with the old witch? At least the anime hand-waved by stating that potara fusion is permanent when Kaioshin are involved. This sounds like a plot hole. I'm expecting an explanation for this, but it better be a good one. I'm expecting Toyotaro to retcon the old witch that Old Kaioshin fused actually being a Kaioshin. Even though that would not make a lot of sense considering she's a witch.
They unfused, because either of them are kaioshin, remember they stole that rank and kill gowasu,no god of destruction,so that means black and zamasu are not official kaioshin
Lord Beerus wrote:Wait a minute... Merged Zamasu has a time limit? What?!?! So how the hell did Old Kaioshin stay fused with the old witch? At least the anime hand-waved by stating that potara fusion is permanent when Kaioshin are involved. This sounds like a plot hole. I'm expecting an explanation for this, but it better be a good one. I'm expecting Toyotaro to retcon the old witch that Old Kaioshin fused actually being a Kaioshin. Even though that would not make a lot of sense considering she's a witch.
You only need one half to be a God. That's why Kibito + Kaioshin worked and Old Kaioshin + Witch. Neither Zamasu and Black are Gods.
Lord Beerus wrote:Wait a minute... Merged Zamasu has a time limit? What?!?! So how the hell did Old Kaioshin stay fused with the old witch? At least the anime hand-waved by stating that potara fusion is permanent when Kaioshin are involved. This sounds like a plot hole. I'm expecting an explanation for this, but it better be a good one. I'm expecting Toyotaro to retcon the old witch that Old Kaioshin fused actually being a Kaioshin. Even though that would not make a lot of sense considering she's a witch.
They unfused, because either of them are kaioshin, remember they stole that rank and kill gowasu,no god of destruction,so that means black and zamasu are not official kaioshin
This. They were never officially Kaioshin. They just murdered and ran. Being Kaioshin isn't required to use the time ring, it's more of a law.
, didn't a interview Said toriyama had no plan of goku and Vegeta of surpassing Beerus
, you better suprise us toyataro
