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by IDreamtIWasABee » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:54 pm
ABED wrote:I don't find it vicious, I find it goofy.
The goofiness just makes it more vicious, given the rape-y context.
Yeah, it's not something Lord Freeza would say, but the scene's lewd enough that there's nothing dub Freeza can say that would "spoil the mood."
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by penguintruth » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:05 pm
DonZ wrote:I think Android arc is better than Cell arc. and by the Android arc i mean after Freeza arc finished, until Cell begins his "Cell Games". i still like it thought, but it's one of my least favorite arcs (thought it has an amazing moments like Gohan going SSJ2, Vegeta's rage on Cell)
It's the same one arc.
I wish people knew what a story arc is. Or a saga.
Apparently nobody takes literature courses anymore.
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by DonZ » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:25 pm
penguintruth wrote:DonZ wrote:I think Android arc is better than Cell arc. and by the Android arc i mean after Freeza arc finished, until Cell begins his "Cell Games". i still like it thought, but it's one of my least favorite arcs (thought it has an amazing moments like Gohan going SSJ2, Vegeta's rage on Cell)
It's the same one arc.
I wish people knew what a story arc is. Or a saga.
Apparently nobody takes literature courses anymore.
According to kanzenshuu, it isn't.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/kai/
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by penguintruth » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:30 pm
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Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by Ringworm128 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:49 pm
On the subject of arcs I count the Saiyan arc as part of the Freeza arc.
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by DonZ » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:01 pm
ringworm128 wrote:On the subject of arcs I count the Saiyan arc as part of the Freeza arc.
Technicaly it's not, but they're like a big story .. so yeah. and the same goes for Piccolo Daimao and the 23th Tenkaichi Budokai.
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by ABED » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:45 pm
IDreamtIWasABee wrote:ABED wrote:I don't find it vicious, I find it goofy.
The goofiness just makes it more vicious, given the rape-y context.
Yeah, it's not something Lord Freeza would say, but the scene's lewd enough that there's nothing dub Freeza can say that would "spoil the mood."
I don't see it that way. The goofiness undercuts the character, and spoils the mood. It doesn't fit the animation. If he was getting overly sexual, I think his demeanor and body language would be very different. He's not raping Kuririn, he's torturing him.
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by Rocketman » Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:35 am
ABED wrote: He's not raping Kuririn, he's torturing him.
Same thing. Rape is primarily about power, not sex.
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by ABED » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:08 am
Rocketman wrote:ABED wrote: He's not raping Kuririn, he's torturing him.
Same thing. Rape is primarily about power, not sex.
I understand the difference between rape and consensual sex, but rape isn't the same thing as torture. Both might be about power, but people that get off on torture are getting off on pain. Plus, the "ride em cowboy!" line is dumb.
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by Mjb1985 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:34 am
I will take torture anytime of the week over rape thank you very much.
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by ABED » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:48 am
Okay, this is getting into a weird area, so I'll just say, it wasn't a rape scene and the dialog was stupid, not creepy.
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by rereboy » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:51 am
Mjb1985 wrote:I will take torture anytime of the week over rape thank you very much.
Considering that torture might scar you much more profoundly and can even make you lose entire pieces or sections of your body (permanently) I don't think that's such an easy question/answer.
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by Ringworm128 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:15 am
......Not that I like one voice more then the other but I do have to give Sean Schemmel (post Z) points for getting Goku's carefree personality down without the need of a high pitch voice, over childish delivery etc and overall having a Goku voice that's more believable while still sounding like someone who's just a big kid at heart.
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by Storm » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:48 am
I feel like people really overstate how much Nozawa's (adult) Goku sounds feminine/childish. Have you ever watched Japanese people talk? It's not that implausible that Goku sounds like a Japanese man with a high pitched voice. Hell, her Tullece (possibly my favorite role of hers) shows she can really bring the bass, too.
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by Ringworm128 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:07 am
I've heard many Japanese males speak and NONE of them sounded even slightly like Nozawa in pitch or tone.
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by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:10 pm
Well, Goku is an alien...maybe some Saiyans do have unusually high voices and it's considered the norm
on Planet Vegeta.
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by DBZ Mick » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:12 am
ringworm128 wrote:On the subject of arcs I count the Saiyan arc as part of the Freeza arc.
I don't but I see the whole Saiyan-Namek-Freeza arcs- along with the Bardock TV special as one big arc if that counts. Probably why it's my favourite.
I also seperate the Artificial Human and Cell arcs.
It is in his character to be rude and a bit crass. He's a hick, with no formal education. That is Son Goku. That is who he is.
Superman in an orange Gi was the bastard son of FUNimation. Its not The real character, it is as false as Chatku.
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by DonZ » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:48 pm
I think Goku's first death is sadder than his 2nd death (more like sacrifice) against Cell. that's so unpopular
anyone agree or i'm the only one who think that ?
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by Gonstead » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:48 pm
Big Green Goku isn't THAT bad.
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by KingofWisdom » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:33 pm
DonZ wrote:I think Goku's first death is sadder than his 2nd death (more like sacrifice) against Cell. that's so unpopular
anyone agree or i'm the only one who think that ?
It's sad, yeah. All though it's hard to have dramatic tension when they're saying he'll be revived before he's even dead. But I do love Kuririn's scream when Goku dies.
I don't know, the second death is more dramatic, and it's very touching too. I guess I lean a little more towards that one.
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