Death Battle! Goku VS Superman Disscussion Thread

[TheMightyOzaru]

Superman could avoid Buu's Henka Beam since his Torquasm-Vo could stop it. He can did turn into candy then he might able to pull off a Vegito.

The thing is Superman wouldn't expect it. He would hold back like always and Buu would surprise him. He would be the byproduct of a magical technique, he wouldn't be able to do anything. Buu could also absorb him.

[Kamiccolo9]

Superman could avoid Buu's Henka Beam since his Torquasm-Vo could stop it. He can did turn into candy then he might able to pull off a Vegito.

The thing is Superman wouldn't expect it. He would hold back like always and Buu would surprise him. He would be the byproduct of a magical technique, he wouldn't be able to do anything. Buu could also absorb him.

Superman has resisted magical transmutation before though, through sheer willpower. He may be able to overcome Buu's attack. And honestly, I think that he could just annihilate Buu with heat vision. If Buu tried to absorb him, he could just power through him before the process was complete.

[miguelnuva1]

I don't see why Buu vs Superman would be any different from Buu vs Vegito. Superman takes a little time to get going but when he does he's pretty powerful.

Superman also mentally blocks his own power not to hurt innocents I believe.

[RandomGuy96]

Buu only needs to hit Superman with one attack, and Buuhan is really fast... plus I've said my piece with that whole supernova and solar system busting conversation: certain Dragon Ball Z characters are indeed strong enough to scratch post-Crisis Superman. Some are arguably strong enough to beat him (Superman isn't THAT high-tier on the DC universe) but I'm not getting into that.

[Kamiccolo9]

Buu only needs to hit Superman with one attack, and Buuhan is really fast... plus I've said my piece with that whole supernova and solar system busting conversation: certain Dragon Ball Z characters are indeed strong enough to scratch post-Crisis Superman. Some are arguably strong enough to beat him (Superman isn't THAT high-tier on the DC universe) but I'm not getting into that.

Buuhan's not as fast as Superman. He wouldn't be able to surprise him like he did Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan, because Superman would be able to hear any attempt at a surprise absorption. He has resisted transmutation by magical beings before, and if Buu attempted to absorb him, he could just fly right through him, or atomize him with heat vision.

[RandomGuy96]

Buuhan's not as fast as Superman

Highly debatable.

He wouldn't be able to surprise him like he did Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan, because Superman would be able to hear any attempt at a surprise absorption. He has resisted transmutation by magical beings before, and if Buu attempted to absorb him, he could just fly right through him, or atomize him with heat vision.

Again, Superman being that strong is highly debatable. I'm of the opinion that Buuhan is more than strong enough to beat post-Crisis Superman normally, at least going by the feats Death Battle assigned to him, due to the DBO supernova statement and SPC being a solar system buster (these statements go hand in hand with each other). Does he have more impressive feats than his Infinite Mass Punch and surviving supernovas?

[Kamiccolo9]

Buuhan's not as fast as Superman

Highly debatable.

He wouldn't be able to surprise him like he did Gotenks, Piccolo, and Gohan, because Superman would be able to hear any attempt at a surprise absorption. He has resisted transmutation by magical beings before, and if Buu attempted to absorb him, he could just fly right through him, or atomize him with heat vision.

Again, Superman being that strong is highly debatable. I'm of the opinion that Buuhan is more than strong enough to beat post-Crisis Superman normally, at least going by the feats Death Battle assigned to him, due to the DBO supernova statement and SPC being a solar system buster (these statements go hand in hand with each other). Does he have more impressive feats than his Infinite Mass Punch and surviving supernovas?

How is it highly debatable? When has Buuhan demonstrated speed anywhere near on par with Superman? When has any Dragonball character demonstrated faster than light speed?
He was able to hold a black hole and not be crushed. His heat vision was able to thaw an entire planet, and can be much hotter than the sun. He could freeze Buu, shatter him, and atomize the remains with microscopic and heat vision. Or he could do like the Sentry (Basically Marvel's Superman) and throw Buu into the sun. And why does he need more impressive durability feats than surviving Supernovas? Goku and Vegeta's fight produced a supernova, and they died.

[Rocketman]

Buuhan's not as fast as Superman

Highly debatable.

Bullshit, since Gohan-Buu couldn't get to Goku and Vegeta before they fused.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Buuhan's not as fast as Superman

Highly debatable.

Bullshit, since Gohan-Buu couldn't get to Goku and Vegeta before they fused.

Well Buu likely wasn't using his full speed but yeah, Superman is much much faster than any DBZ character.

[miguelnuva1]

Even if Superman had Cell games durability his power is still at a Vegito and up level. You have to get DCAU Superman or something were they purposely made him weak for DBZ to win.

[RandomGuy96]

How is it highly debatable? When has Buuhan demonstrated speed anywhere near on par with Superman? When has any Dragonball character demonstrated faster than light speed?

Well... in the Death Battle episode this thread is about for one. Also, see this big-ass blog: http://www.screwattack.com/news/death-b ... s-superman. Most of it builds on the implications of Goku going from one side of Namek to the other in an instant rather than relying on little pieces of background animation which may or may not be 100% accurately drawn to scale. It also makes other arguments, like Krillin's speed, the speed of the fight with Freeza, and Goku appearing invisible while fighting. The blog also goes out of its way to low-end a lot.

And why does he need more impressive durability feats than surviving Supernovas? Goku and Vegeta's fight produced a supernova, and they died.

1. Their fight produced several supernovas.

2. There's no evidence that they each died from ONE.

3. Buuhan, being dozens of times stronger than Vegeta and Goku, is way beyond supernova-level durability.

So yeah, does he have any more impressive feats or statements?

He was able to hold a black hole and not be crushed. His heat vision was able to thaw an entire planet, and can be much hotter than the sun. He could freeze Buu, shatter him, and atomize the remains with microscopic and heat vision. Or he could do like the Sentry (Basically Marvel's Superman) and throw Buu into the sun.

Would freezing Buu work? Was he ever shown to be vulnerable to the sun?

I don't really care who would win, I care that this video was terrible. Death Battle in general has a lot of problems, though I don't want to turn this into THAT thread...

[Rocketman]

The Sun is such a violent environment that normal matter cannot exist on it. If Buu can be turned to dust by piddly li'l ki blasts, the Sun would rip him apart.

[TheMightyOzaru]

That Genki Dama could blow up several stars the size of our Sun IMO. The heat is what would kill Buu.

[miguelnuva1]

When did Goku and Vegeta make a Supernova? They would destroy the planet they were on.

[RandomGuy96]

The supernova thing comes from the DBO timeline:

Goku goes missing: realizing his death is imminent and wanting to settle their rivalry, Goku leaves the Earth with Vegeta for a final battle. Years later, supernova explosions are detected; they are assumed to be from Goku and Vegeta's battle.

Keep in mind Vegeta never went beyond SS2, so any form of Buu should be several times stronger than him. If someone as weak as Vegeta an do that, then Superman is probably going to need more impressive abilities than surviving one supernova to beat Buuhan- and again, does he have more impressive feats than that? Does he have any attacks that hit with more power than a supernova? Like, a lot more? Also, random question, how powerful would Cell have to be to blow up the solar system? The guidebooks confirm that he can, and even if they didn't he'd have no reason to lie in that instance.

[miguelnuva1]

Isn't DBO non canon?

[RandomGuy96]

There is no official canon, but people usually it consider it "more canon" than GT and the like because Akira Toriyama was involved in it to an extent.

[Rocketman]

It's also poop, because supernovae close enough to be detected so quickly would scorch the Earth clean.

[TheMightyOzaru]

This is distant future technology we're talking about here. I'm pretty sure they have the technology to pick up a Supernova very quickly. Yeah it's farfetched but then Dragon Ball doesn't really operate on traditional physics.

[Hellspawn28]

Superman also mentally blocks his own power not to hurt innocents I believe.

DBZ characters hold back so they don't destroy the planet. If bloodlust is off completely then Superman won't care about destroying innocents.