Beerus
Champa
Mystery 5th Fighter
Golden Freeza (Fresh)
Godku
Godgeta
Golden Freeza (Weary)
LOLRAGETA
Unintentionally Funny Tier
Super Saiyan Videl
Jobber Cannon Fodder Losers Tier
Tagoma (For now)
Gotenks
Boo
Trunks
Goten
Piccolo
18 (No Kitchen)
Krillin (When not being an idiot)
Tenshinhan
Yamcha
Chaozu
Shisami
Buff Lion Guy
No Named Mook Loser Tier (They just fell to the floor and laughed at Gohan's weak attacks)
EXACTLY ONE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND MOOOOOOOOOOOOOKS!
Regular Humans Tier
The Lion people
Bulma
The Kitchen
18 (Kitchen importance)/Krillin (Being an idiot)
Dende
Dr. Briefs
Ms. Briefs
Baby That Will Never Ever Amount To Anything Tier
Pan
Feces Tier
The poop Whis stepped on
Shit and it's variations
Unfunny Irrelevant Doesn't Deserve Any Explaining Tier
Mai
Shuu
Pilaf
Garbage Jobber Fuck You Tier
Gohan
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
So exactly how powerful is this place that Whis sent Goku and Vegeta to? For two fighters of their caliber to not be ready for it according to Whis implies it's a significantly dangerous place.
It's presumptuous to assume that Tagoma is anywhere near Buu's level. Just watch. Gohan will turn Super Saiyan and will beat him down this time instead of Shisami.
Bullza wrote:It's presumptuous to assume that Tagoma is anywhere near Buu's level. Just watch. Gohan will turn Super Saiyan and will beat him down this time instead of Shisami.
That would put him around a Cell Jr's level.
It's really not considering we see Gotenks (as a SSJ) is the one who ends up dealing with him in the preview meaning Gohan (as a SSJ) was likely beaten.
Bullza wrote:It's presumptuous to assume that Tagoma is anywhere near Buu's level. Just watch. Gohan will turn Super Saiyan and will beat him down this time instead of Shisami.
That would put him around a Cell Jr's level.
Nah in the preview gotenks is fighting him as a ssj against him plus him stomping piccolo who should be at least cell jr tier at this point so it's doubtful for him to be only cell jr tier.
They handled the soldiers fight much better, power wise. Only Kame Sennin appeared to have difficulty with anyone. The rest had no problem whatsoever. Even Jaco only got a kick in, who supposedly cant win against an adult Saiyan.
I guess Shisami is just Zarbon tier.
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Shisami is the in-universe Gohan fan. He's hugging Gohan to make him feel better for all the embarrassment he's gonna go through, but ends up adding another to the Gohan owned count. Watch out Krillin, take head Yamcha, you guys are getting competition.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
We'll have to see but I wouldn't want to make any such claims at the moment.
Gotenks went Super Saiyan against Aka but he was still defeated by Goku as a Super Saiyan easily enough. A similiar thing could happen again except this time with Gohan.
Bullza wrote:We'll have to see but I wouldn't want to make any such claims at the moment.
Gotenks went Super Saiyan against Aka but he was still defeated by Goku as a Super Saiyan easily enough. A similiar thing could happen again except this time with Gohan.
Enough has happened that I can start an owned count
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Bullza wrote:We'll have to see but I wouldn't want to make any such claims at the moment.
Gotenks went Super Saiyan against Aka but he was still defeated by Goku as a Super Saiyan easily enough. A similiar thing could happen again except this time with Gohan.
Enough has happened that I can start an owned count
Gohan is catching up fast! he'll likely get owned next week too. I'm still wanting a reason why he's not his cocky self anymore.
Zombie wrote:According to Gohan in the NEP, Tagoma is as strong as him then he further powers up (The NEP shows Ginyu here).
I can't wait.
Stupid. Really Stupid. Going from SSJ3 Tier to a weakened Super Saiyan. Gohan was much stronger at the beginning of the Buu saga.
It's obvious Gohan lost his Ultimate form.
He kept it in BoG. I don't know how much time has passed since the Beerus fight but to decrease his power this much is a joke. 7 years had past after Cell and he hadn't trained at all but still managed to easily turn SSJ and what more SSJ2 at the tournament. It's just bad writing for Gohan now.
Well Gohan doesn't train anymore so it'd make sense he'd get weaker though I think it could have been handled better. Perhaps Gohan shouldn't have still turned mystic in the Battle of Gods saga.
So like, did he lose that power over time or did he just go from "can kick SS3 Goku's ass" to "would get his ass kicked by Cell" over the course of one night?
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
The logical in universe reason should be that his power decreased over time 6 years if not training. It doesn't make much sense for 5 years Post Buu he's the same Mystic Gohan that fought Super Buu and then he suddenly took a nose dive in the year following.
I'm gonna say that the Mystic Gohan we saw in BoG wasn't anywhere near the Mystic Gohan from DBZ and yet he just didn't Super Saiyan when he fought Beerus (Gotenks never used SSJ3 so why not?).
So by RoF his base (aka Mystic) form has decreased further to the point where using Super Saiyan is once again necessary for him to keep his power up there.
Just use the explanation that fans came up with for GT that Gohan can use his ultimate power through SS. It's not like Super makes any sense when it comes to battle powers anyway.
For two fighters of their caliber to not be ready for it according to Whis implies it's a significantly dangerous place.
