Dragon Ball Super: TV Ratings Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

Well he had a much bigger part in Resurrection F than he did in Battle of Gods. I thought he was perfectly fine in that movie.

It's not about how big of a part he played, it's about what he did. ROF was the beginning of the nerd,lame, saiyan-yamcha jokes that still go on today. I mean losing your gi, muscles, and power while gaining glasses and a lame outfit isn't going to boost your popularity at all. Especially when you get destroyed by base form freeza.

He had a much better showing than he did in Battle of Gods where the two things he did of note where get drunk which led to his wife being shot and him being defeated in 10 seconds by Beerus.

He at least some cooler moments in Resurrection F from beating down the henchmen (that slowed down scene was cool) and him one shotting Shisami.

[kinisking]

Well he had a much bigger part in Resurrection F than he did in Battle of Gods. I thought he was perfectly fine in that movie.

It's not about how big of a part he played, it's about what he did. ROF was the beginning of the nerd,lame, saiyan-yamcha jokes that still go on today. I mean losing your gi, muscles, and power while gaining glasses and a lame outfit isn't going to boost your popularity at all. Especially when you get destroyed by base form freeza.

He had a much better showing than he did in Battle of Gods where the two things he did of note where get drunk which led to his wife being shot and him being defeated in 10 seconds by Beerus.

He at least some cooler moments in Resurrection F from beating down the henchmen (that slowed down scene was cool) and him one shotting Shisami.

I agree.. But does anyone remember that? No. People remember how weak he had become, his ugly design, and him getting one shotted by Freeza in base form. No one said he was ruined after BOG. But after ROF? You've seen how people reacted.

[Bullza]

I agree.. But does anyone remember that? No. People remember how weak he had become, his ugly design, and him getting one shotted by Freeza in base form. No one said he was ruined after BOG. But after ROF? You've seen how people reacted.

I don't know I never particularly saw much hate for him that I can recall. Most complaints I've seen if anything were down to him A) Being weakened and B) The way he's been left out so much in Super which obviously has nothing to do with the movie itself.

As for his appearance, aside from his physique being toned down (which makes sense if he's stopped training and got weaker) I can't say I've seen any complaints about his outfit. I thought the green tracksuit looked fine, better than the same outfit over and over.

[kinisking]

I agree.. But does anyone remember that? No. People remember how weak he had become, his ugly design, and him getting one shotted by Freeza in base form. No one said he was ruined after BOG. But after ROF? You've seen how people reacted.

I don't know I never particularly saw much hate for him that I can recall. Most complaints I've seen if anything were down to him A) Being weakened and B) The way he's been left out so much in Super which obviously has nothing to do with the movie itself.

As for his appearance, aside from his physique being toned down (which makes sense if he's stopped training and got weaker) I can't say I've seen any complaints about his outfit. I thought the green tracksuit looked fine, better than the same outfit over and over.

Do you read about Dragonball outside of Kanzenshuu? Maybe that's why. Also, think about it. ROF pretty much started complaints about Gohan being nerdy and weak. Also, look at Gohan in BOG, and look at him in ROF. Which do you think children would prefer?

[Khin]

I agree.. But does anyone remember that? No. People remember how weak he had become, his ugly design, and him getting one shotted by Freeza in base form. No one said he was ruined after BOG. But after ROF? You've seen how people reacted.

All of that was all your opinion. And not all people think the same way as you nor any Japanese fans think the same as any whiny Gohan fans outside of Kanzenshuu. Even i myself use to dislike Gohan (Especially in the Cell Games) until the Boo Arc.

[kinisking]

I agree.. But does anyone remember that? No. People remember how weak he had become, his ugly design, and him getting one shotted by Freeza in base form. No one said he was ruined after BOG. But after ROF? You've seen how people reacted.

All of that was all your opinion. And not all people think the same way as you nor any Japanese fans think the same as any whiny Gohan fans outside of Kanzenshuu. Even i myself use to dislike Gohan (Especially in the Cell Games) until the Boo Arc.

How weak he had become, him getting one shotted by Freeza, and people's reactions are my opinons? The only opinion on there was his design and that's shared by many so it's important to bring up. Yes, I'm one of the people who disapprove of Gohan starting with ROF but there are a lot people like that so it's worth mentioning. Tell me, how much Gohan fans have you seen that are happy with how he was treated in ROF versus the people that are unhappy? Do you see many people mentioning that he one shot Shisami and saved Kuririn or do you see people mentioning him getting oneshotted by Freeza and becoming weak and nerdy?Is it strange to think Japanese fans of his character would have a similar thought process? And, they're not whiny just because they don't like something you're fine with :crazy

[Khin]

How weak he had become, him getting one shotted by Freeza, and people's reactions are my opinons? The only opinion on there was his design and that's shared by many.

Sorry. I always gets hot-headed every time i see a Gohan complaint, so i didn't think or review my previous post that much.

Yes, I'm one of the people who disapprove of Gohan starting with ROF but there are a lot people like that so it's worth mentioning.

You means lots of people in YouTube and FB pages that mostly folks from the Dub fanbase that only cares about the ''badass dudes who punches hard''. I mean if you can proved any substantial proof that a lot of Japanese fans and kids absolutely dislikes RoF Gohan, then i would probably agree.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Possibly ep 52 being another explanation episode was the reason the ratings dropped or maybe cause even the Japanese fans don't care about Gohan. MAYBE.

Sorry for being off-topic but can anybody tell me what are Shippuden's ratings ?

- Travis

[kinisking]

How weak he had become, him getting one shotted by Freeza, and people's reactions are my opinons? The only opinion on there was his design and that's shared by many.

Sorry. I always gets hot-headed every time i see a Gohan complaint, so i didn't think or review my previous post that much.

Yes, I'm one of the people who disapprove of Gohan starting with ROF but there are a lot people like that so it's worth mentioning.

You means lots of people in YouTube and FB pages that mostly folks from the Dub fanbase that only cares about the ''badass dudes who punches hard''. I mean if you can proved any substantial proof that a lot of Japanese fans and kids absolutely dislikes RoF Gohan, then i would probably agree.

It's cool. I mean, I don't think anyone can actually get proof that japanese fans dislike ROF Gohan. By looking at what we see in other communities, we can assume and unfortunately that's the closest thing we have. You're right though, they'res no concrete proof. Also badass dudes who punch hard is DBZ in a nutshell so it's not really strange for the fanbase to like that

[Bullza]

Do you read about Dragonball outside of Kanzenshuu? Maybe that's why. Also, think about it. ROF pretty much started complaints about Gohan being nerdy and weak. Also, look at Gohan in BOG, and look at him in ROF. Which do you think children would prefer?

I just see the comments on YouTube. Gohan was always somewhat nerdy, he was the Great Saiyaman, it was purposefully dorky. I know people don't like that they've made him weaker even though it is perfectly understandable for his character because he was never a fight junkie.

I don't know what people would prefer, he did nothing in BoG, he was beaten like a chump. He had two cool moments in RoF. You'd think people would prefer that.

[kinisking]

Do you read about Dragonball outside of Kanzenshuu? Maybe that's why. Also, think about it. ROF pretty much started complaints about Gohan being nerdy and weak. Also, look at Gohan in BOG, and look at him in ROF. Which do you think children would prefer?

I just see the comments on YouTube. Gohan was always somewhat nerdy, he was the Great Saiyaman, it was purposefully dorky. I know people don't like that they've made him weaker even though it is perfectly understandable for his character because he was never a fight junkie.

I don't know what people would prefer, he did nothing in BoG, he was beaten like a chump. He had two cool moments in RoF. You'd think people would prefer that.

Gohan was nerdy but now he looks like a stereotypical nerd. I don't think people are truly against him having nerdy interests, seeing as how most if not all DB fans have nerdy interests. In BOG everyone was treated like a chump so I think that's why people didn't mind. However in ROF he was the only one to get one shot by Freeza. I think if he had those exact same moments but with his BOG design and everyone else got one shot, then everyone would have preferred him in ROF.

[Bullza]

Gohan was nerdy but now he looks like a stereotypical nerd. I don't think people are truly against him having nerdy interests, seeing as how most if not all DB fans have nerdy interests. In BOG everyone was treated like a chump so I think that's why people didn't mind. However in ROF he was the only one to get one shot by Freeza. I think if he had those exact same moments but with his BOG design and everyone else got one shot, then everyone would have preferred him in ROF.

Well that just matches how he looked at the very end of DBZ.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

And also GT

[spoiler][/spoiler]

It's not something that's come out of nowhere. They're just tying things together.

He was one shot by Frieza but he was also the strongest of the 5 Z Fighters and Frieza singled him out as being the one who could destroy his whole army instantly.

I really don't get what the problem is, people should have known many years ago that Gohan became a scholar (a nerd) and a family man so obviously he wouldn't really continue fighting like Goku or Vegeta.

But for some reason you've got a group of fans who act like this is some new development where they're just decided to shit on Gohan for no reason.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Should be noted that Heart of Gold aired at 9PM on a Saturday night compared to the popular Sunday morning slot the show is regularly in. Not too surprising to see a drop there as a I imagine you're losing out on the young kids who would normally be tuning in. Will be interesting to see DVR numbers on that one.

Super's ratings are as expected, I guess. The preview was pretty explicit in the type of episode it was going to be, so I suspect a lot of people weren't too bothered by it.

Maybe airing late is tempt viewers from that slot into the morning? Would likely explain why they're adding more Trunks to the movie.

[kinisking]

Gohan was nerdy but now he looks like a stereotypical nerd. I don't think people are truly against him having nerdy interests, seeing as how most if not all DB fans have nerdy interests. In BOG everyone was treated like a chump so I think that's why people didn't mind. However in ROF he was the only one to get one shot by Freeza. I think if he had those exact same moments but with his BOG design and everyone else got one shot, then everyone would have preferred him in ROF.

Well that just matches how he looked at the very end of DBZ.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

And also GT

[spoiler][/spoiler]

It's not something that's come out of nowhere. They're just tying things together.

He was one shot by Frieza but he was also the strongest of the 5 Z Fighters and Frieza singled him out as being the one who could destroy his whole army instantly.

I really don't get what the problem is, people should have known many years ago that Gohan became a scholar (a nerd) and a family man so obviously he wouldn't really continue fighting like Goku or Vegeta.

But for some reason you've got a group of fans who act like this is some new development where they're just decided to shit on Gohan for no reason.

Eh the glasses is a personal pet peeve of mine that I think was a mistake back then too. Shouldn't have brought it up because I don't really know how much people have a problem with it. But yeah, I wouldn't say that Gohan not being a fighter was obvious. In both GT and Z he had his old physique. Also, in GT I think he was training according to the perfect files. I think most fans of his character want him to train along with being a scholar/family man. They shouldn't be mutually exclusive. Heck, him being a family man could motivate him to train like in episode 30 but that's been forgotten about. Either way, this all ties back to what this conversation is supposed to be about. It isn't surprising that a character who stops fighting in a fighting show would lose popularity. We can be happy for them but that isn't going to stop the fact that because of this he's barely seen in the show. The show moved on so the fans are going to have to too.

[namekiansaiyan]

Gohan was nerdy but now he looks like a stereotypical nerd. I don't think people are truly against him having nerdy interests, seeing as how most if not all DB fans have nerdy interests. In BOG everyone was treated like a chump so I think that's why people didn't mind. However in ROF he was the only one to get one shot by Freeza. I think if he had those exact same moments but with his BOG design and everyone else got one shot, then everyone would have preferred him in ROF.

Well that just matches how he looked at the very end of DBZ.

[spoiler][/spoiler]

And also GT

[spoiler][/spoiler]

It's not something that's come out of nowhere. They're just tying things together.

He was one shot by Frieza but he was also the strongest of the 5 Z Fighters and Frieza singled him out as being the one who could destroy his whole army instantly.

I really don't get what the problem is, people should have known many years ago that Gohan became a scholar (a nerd) and a family man so obviously he wouldn't really continue fighting like Goku or Vegeta.

But for some reason you've got a group of fans who act like this is some new development where they're just decided to shit on Gohan for no reason.

Everyone apart from Roshi should have been able to destroy Frieza's army and henchmen with ease but crap writing by Toriyama caused that problem.

People need to accept that Gohan is just a nerd who does not fight. Toriyama and Toei are obviously beating it into fans. This results in a lot less screen time and I think he has appeared in 3 of the last 25 episodes. This then results in his popularity decrease and people not wanting to see him on screen.

[Bullza]

Gohan was still pretty bulky at the end of Z but Toriyama seems to draw smaller characters now. Some of the drawings he's done for other characters like Black and Trunks aswell have been drawn pretty slim.

I can understand why he'd become less popular but they haven't really ruined the character, they already established what his character had become back in 1995 and all the new material is doing is showing him go down that route.

People shouldn't have been so surprised about it. He did say he doesn't even like fighting.

Everyone apart from Roshi should have been able to destroy Frieza's army and henchmen with ease but crap writing by Toriyama caused that problem.

I'd rather not have done without a very good lengthy action packed scene just over something as petty as "power levels".

[namekiansaiyan]

Gohan was still pretty bulky at the end of Z but Toriyama seems to draw smaller characters now. Some of the drawings he's done for other characters like Black and Trunks aswell have been drawn pretty slim.

I can understand why he'd become less popular but they haven't really ruined the character, they already established what his character had become back in 1995 and all the new material is doing is showing him go down that route.

People shouldn't have been so surprised about it. He did say he doesn't even like fighting.

Everyone apart from Roshi should have been able to destroy Frieza's army and henchmen with ease but crap writing by Toriyama caused that problem.

I'd rather not have done without a very good lengthy action packed scene just over something as petty as "power levels".

Why not have Krillin beat Golden Frieza if you don't care about that films power levels.
What Toriyama/Toei did is to make Goku and Vegeta look good and the others weak.

[Bullza]

Why not have Krillin beat Golden Frieza if you don't care about that films power levels.
What Toriyama/Toei did is to make Goku and Vegeta look good and the others weak.

Because fans dont want a secondary character like Krillin to beat the main villain in a theatrical movie. Likewise fans don't want a cool lengthy action packed scene to be cut out of a movie over something so petty.

What they did is what they've always done.

[kinisking]

Gohan was still pretty bulky at the end of Z but Toriyama seems to draw smaller characters now. Some of the drawings he's done for other characters like Black and Trunks aswell have been drawn pretty slim.

I can understand why he'd become less popular but they haven't really ruined the character, they already established what his character had become back in 1995 and all the new material is doing is showing him go down that route.

People shouldn't have been so surprised about it. He did say he doesn't even like fighting.

Everyone apart from Roshi should have been able to destroy Frieza's army and henchmen with ease but crap writing by Toriyama caused that problem.

I'd rather not have done without a very good lengthy action packed scene just over something as petty as "power levels".

Why not have Krillin beat Golden Frieza if you don't care about that films power levels.
What Toriyama/Toei did is to make Goku and Vegeta look good and the others weak.

They were stalling for time and Gohan (not sure about the others but I assume the same) didn't want to kill them.

[FortuneSSJ]

Whoah, that 5.0 is embarrassing. Especially when you consider the last weeks.

Barely anyone that watches a battle shonen cares abouts a nerd character that is not entertaining and doesn't want to fight either.
Gohan could still kick ass while being a nerd, there are characters like that in other media, but Toriyama just decided to bury the guy and make it boring for everyone.