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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by dbgtFO » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:09 am

neolux wrote:just saw this image on a fb page and it makes me angry that some people do this to compare super's animation to Z's animation

Edit: I'm sorry I cannot show the image on the spoiler. I'm new on kanzenshuu forum and I do not know how to do it, but I hope you guys can see the image I'm talking about :D
You already know how to use the spoiler tags, so learning how to use the image tags shouldn't be that difficult to learn.
All you need to do is put the image link inside the image tags, which can be found in the middle of those tags you can use here, or you can also just write it down like this:
[img)this is where you put image link[/img]
I used a different bracket in the first img tag, because otherwise you would have to quote my post to see what it looks like.

I can see the link you posted is not an image link, but just the link to the site it's on. To get the link you can put in the image tags, right click the image and select properties and then copy the address and insert it in the image tags, like I did below.
Anyways do this and you should be good to go. :thumbup:

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Jun 15, 2016 2:19 am

That Tullece drawing is terrible. His head is smaller than every other part of his body!

All of Tate's drawings have pleasant lines and facial expressions.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by DragonHermit » Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:23 am

Ajay wrote: Here's Tate's scene from the end - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLeRfM9Vo_I
His scenes are really fluid if you can overlook the mediocre art. I wish he'd do more bird's view shots, etc.. with less facial detail and less close up shots.
neolux wrote:just saw this image on a fb page and it makes me angry that some people do this to compare super's animation to Z's animation
To me DBZ > DBS in terms of animation but

1) That's art not animation.

2) That's also a blatant case of cherry picking.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by Wezenheim » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:50 am

Yeah, that Tullece drawing isn't very good! I personally love the way that Tate draws Future Trunks (and all of the characters really), especially when he draws Trunks' hair to be a bit more "fluffy", like in that comparison picture.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by dhaval_dongre » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:07 am

neolux wrote:just saw this image on a fb page and it makes me angry that some people do this to compare super's animation to Z's animation

Edit: I'm sorry I cannot show the image on the spoiler. I'm new on kanzenshuu forum and I do not know how to do it, but I hope you guys can see the image I'm talking about :D
I think its a bit unfair to do that comparison. The Z shots were some of the best shots, while the super shots weren't great, they weren't that bad. I can agree that Super has had a lot of issues and its art has been lacking, if u compare it to some of the best shots in Z. This series has had a lot of scheduling issues and finally we are getting on track. I can agree that the art in the episode wasn't spectacular or out of this world, but it wasn't bad either considering how bad it has been in previous episodes.

Regarding Tate, his artstyle is a bit different. His episodes have a lot of fluidity in them. His art isn't the best but it varies for different supervisors. What he might be lacking in art he makes it up with his fluidity. Just take an eg of 37. It wasn't the best looking episode artwise, but the fight scenes between Vegeta and Hit, and Goku and hit were amazing. Also the final few shots in 47 were great, especially when Trunks is running at Black with his sword in hand and the way in which he blocks those ki blasts with his sword were also great. So the series has finally started to sort itself out so we need to be a bit more patient with it IMO.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by neolux » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:54 pm

dbgtFO wrote:
neolux wrote:just saw this image on a fb page and it makes me angry that some people do this to compare super's animation to Z's animation

Edit: I'm sorry I cannot show the image on the spoiler. I'm new on kanzenshuu forum and I do not know how to do it, but I hope you guys can see the image I'm talking about :D
You already know how to use the spoiler tags, so learning how to use the image tags shouldn't be that difficult to learn.
All you need to do is put the image link inside the image tags, which can be found in the middle of those tags you can use here, or you can also just write it down like this:
[img)this is where you put image link[/img]
I used a different bracket in the first img tag, because otherwise you would have to quote my post to see what it looks like.

I can see the link you posted is not an image link, but just the link to the site it's on. To get the link you can put in the image tags, right click the image and select properties and then copy the address and insert it in the image tags, like I did below.
Anyways do this and you should be good to go. :thumbup:
I appreciate your help :D

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by Ajay » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:50 pm

Put together a montage of some of Naoki Tate's major contributions to the series so far. I couldn't include everything since he tends to draw so much of each episode he works on. I mainly stuck to action, character acting, or just heavy effects work. Not all of it is great, but it's more a bit of documentation than a Sakuga MAD.

Anyway, enjoy! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tOeAwGoWCE
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by neolux » Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:38 pm

Ajay wrote:Put together a montage of some of Naoki Tate's major contributions to the series so far. I couldn't include everything since he tends to draw so much of each episode he works on. I mainly stuck to action, character acting, or just heavy effects work. Not all of it great, but it's more a bit of documentation than a Sakuga MAD.

Anyway, enjoy! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tOeAwGoWCE
Really good montage! Ajay! :D

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:42 pm

Tate's art looks amazing when he uses multiple line thicknesses, I hope he does that more in the future.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:26 pm

Ajay wrote:Put together a montage of some of Naoki Tate's major contributions to the series so far. I couldn't include everything since he tends to draw so much of each episode he works on. I mainly stuck to action, character acting, or just heavy effects work. Not all of it is great, but it's more a bit of documentation than a Sakuga MAD.

Anyway, enjoy! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tOeAwGoWCE
Tate really is the best thing going for Super in terms of animation. God knows how certain battle and scenes would have turned out without his input. I still believe that Vegeta vs Hit, well, honestly, all of Episode 38, is his best work on the show, despite the awesomeness he brought in Episode 47.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by Hit!! » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:22 pm

Ajay wrote:Put together a montage of some of Naoki Tate's major contributions to the series so far. I couldn't include everything since he tends to draw so much of each episode he works on. I mainly stuck to action, character acting, or just heavy effects work. Not all of it is great, but it's more a bit of documentation than a Sakuga MAD.

Anyway, enjoy! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tOeAwGoWCE

:o :o :o :o :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I don't remember Episode 5 looking THAT badass... Fucking epic..

Also, I love how Tate animates Goku's backflips.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by Sodhi » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:34 pm

Awesome work by Naoi Masahiro and Shimanuki Masahiro . Plus the script writer is the same as last episode.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by Ajay » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:38 pm

Episode 48

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Animation Supervisors
Masahiro Shimanuki and Masahiro Naoi.

Key Animators
Naoi Masahiro Higashide Futoshi Kato Yoshitaka Shimanuki Masahiro Koizumi Hiroyuki Hong Beom-seok

2nd Key Animators
Tu Yeong-chaek Ishii Tamaki office DCI

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Masahiro Naoi becomes an animation supervisor! He provided key animation last week, too. He came across from World Trigger shortly after doing an episode of Precure. I hope we see some more of him. All of non-Shimanuki parts looked pretty good, so I imagine he's got some talent. Yoshitaka Kato has been providing key animation for Super since the early episodes of the tournament. He's worked on some big episodes, so I wonder whether he played a part in the opening fight scene. It could have also been Hiroyuki Koizumi. I really don't know any of these animators well enough to say for sure. But they've all worked on big projects, so there's little reason to doubt their ability.

Speaking of that opening fight, that was really cool! Nice to get some conservative animation that actually looks good. Shimanuki's parts were all pretty cool. I'm still astounded by how much he continues to improve each week.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:41 pm

Goku Black vs Future Trunks was all kinds of awesome. I await the gifs of that fight with baited breath. The NEP did not look that promising, on the other hand.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by Ajay » Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:52 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:The NEP did not look that promising, on the other hand.
There were some iffy parts, but I thought it looked okay for the most part.

I really don't know who it's going to be, though. Now that were pairing up regular supervisors together instead of regulars and randoms, my whole schedule is thrown off.

It should be Karasawa, but we're a week too soon for that, realistically. The only other semi-regulars leftover are Manabe, Oka, and Toma. The former two rarely pop up unless it's a big episode, so maybe it's just Toma and someone from World Trigger?

Not sure. Would have to rewatch the NEP to take any guesses based on the drawings.

Rewatched it. I think that might actually be a Manabe/Oka + someone episode. Some of the Goku and Trunks sparring bits look like their work, but the super on-model stuff reminds me of Karasawa.

Here's the cool action stuff from the start - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2soroMP ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:04 pm

Naoi Masahiro has a history of being a solo episode animator. He and Yashima need to do that for Dragon Ball Super to get the production ahead of schedule.

Tomioka Atsuhiro is sticking around, too!
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #47]

Post by Sodhi » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:19 pm

Ajay wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:The NEP did not look that promising, on the other hand.
There were some iffy parts, but I thought it looked okay for the most part.

Rewatched it. I think that might actually be a Manabe/Oka + someone episode. Some of the Goku and Trunks sparring bits look like their work, but the super on-model stuff reminds me of Karasawa.
I have no clue who it is either, but if I have to pick from those two then it looks like oka stuff.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #48]

Post by ArchedThunder » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:48 pm

Wasn't expecting a fight that good. All around solid episode and again a much smaller staff size then we are used to, further lending credence to the idea that the production is in a better place.
I'm going to go ahead and say that the next episode is a Manabe/Oka, the somewhat off model stuff reminds me of episodes 14 and 27.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #48]

Post by jjgp1112 » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:22 pm

Shimanuki's stuff resembles his 90s work a little bit more with every episode he does.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue - [Updated with #48]

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Jun 18, 2016 11:42 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Shimanuki's stuff resembles his 90s work a little bit more with every episode he does.
Speaking of Shimanuki, I think he did the cut with Blooma on her flying Segway thing.
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