900 Minutes of Uncut Action, DBZ Season 1 Arrives

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Post by FDLink » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:12 am

Undercooked Sausage wrote:Obviously most people here would prefer a 4:3 version. However, we're not going to get one regardless of how many fanboys complain. Reason being is that organizing a boycott of this boxset in order to get the message out to FUNI that what they are giving us is insufficient is far beyond the ability of the hardcore DBZ fanbase and that the majority of us would rather spend 30 dollars on a cropped season one than try and make a demand.

Reprimanding people who bought the season boxset is a complete waste of time. Realistically, this is the best we'll get from FUNimation. It's a hopeless battle to fight.
See, this is the attitude that pisses me off. This attitude also happens to be shared by a signifcant number at these very forums, which is extremely disheartening. Those of you who buy this set while hoping for a 4:3 one are just like all those small-town folk who bitch about a Wal-Mart opening in their town, but shop there anyway just because "well, it's so durn cheap!"

It is NOT a hopeless battle. We just need people to have a little self-control and take some responsibility. The DB fan community have knocked some sense into FUNi numerous times in the past (Ginyu/Trunks DVDs, Japanese voices in DBZ games, original music in DB dub, original music in new DBZ dub) all because we did what we do best: bitch until we're blue in the face.

Granted, we haven't always won, but with enough pressure, I think even FUNi can be convinced that their only releasing a widescreen version of the show is dividing up their potential market.

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Post by ETC123 » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:31 am

Pieter wrote:Why the fuck do you care so much about other peoples purchases, as to be quoting every sentence about it on a message board? You seem to be passive agressive about this in a rather unhealthy way. Just voice your opinion and be quiet is my advice. You have good points (!) but you're agressively talking to people who really don't care about you if you keep this up.
People with good viewpoints that quietly express them and shut up get nowhere, and if you had of read my vitrolic rant you would have seen that in order for there to be process, I (and others) need to take a new route. I'[m being confrotational for the sake of getting in peoples faces, making them feel bad, or making them think about it as opposed to just being "regular internet joe #23423".

Opinions, as they say, are like assholes- everyone has one. I don't have an opinion- I have a cause.
it's not my intention to upset anyone or purport myself as being superior; I just want to throw out some common sense.
Basically that's cool, but I feel as if I've got to try and do something "new" to get it through to some people.
-How do you think they'd promote it? Better yet, what would they say about the previous set (the reason they discontinued)?
They wouldn't say a damn thing about the previous sets, as they've yet to address why the Ultimate Uncuts were discontinued (of course, in favour of these season sets, but still, why not keep doing the UUEs and then doing seasons after that?).
Could they go up in value at any point in time. I mean, they are the only R1 bilingual DVDs available to us uncut right? They are 4:3 and for the time being, its the only way to have these episodes this way legit from season three on..
Those DVDs are already owned by those who want them, or they're so widely available as overstock or second hand that their value has already been greatly decreased.
Also, am I the only one to notice that FUNimation has always charged out the ass for DBZ, and now all of the sudden it's cheap as cheap can be? Something tells me FUNimation knows this is a flawed release, and the only way they can sell it is because it's so cheap. Hell, every single review I've read points to the price as the main selling point.
I can't quote the post, and I'm not going to hold it against VegettoEX, becuase it was before I actually posted here, but it was some defence that FUNimation had to pay a lot of money per year for DBZ and therefore, had to charge a lot of money for their single releases.

The single releases were, for the most part, almost pure profit. Apart from the Dragonboxes, I don't honestly think Toei gave a shit about foreign DVD releases, and moreso cared about royalties for insanely popular merchandise. Of course, FUNimation will never admit or deny any of this, moreso will just sweep it under the rug, as they've tried to do for many issues in the past (and present, and will continue to do in the future).
However, we're not going to get one regardless of how many fanboys complain.
This is making my fingers hurt- We won't get one because no one is willing to take a stand, bar a scattered few, because everyone has basically said "oh it's cheap, whatever". I completely and totally disagree with the 16:9 release but it's not as if FUNImation is making any kind of effort to give us a limited, unremastered 4:3 release. I would settle for that for DBZ, even though the issue of principle is still there. Of course, depending on how it was handled is another issue in itself.
Reason being is that organizing a boycott of this boxset in order to get the message out to FUNI that what they are giving us is insufficient is far beyond the ability of the hardcore DBZ fanbase and that the majority of us would rather spend 30 dollars on a cropped season one than try and make a demand.
This, regardless of intention, describes the miserable situation perfectly, of course this is written as an excuse, which is still pitiful, ESPECIALLY for this forum.
Rest of the post
Stop it with the defeatist attitude. I said it before, you are not slaves to the will of FUNimation, not when you don't decide to buy the first cheap-as-chips piece-of-shit set they squeeze out.

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Post by Deus ex Machina » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:44 am

In opposition to the Funimation boycott, for every person ETC123 harasses into not buying a box set, I will personally buy two. I mean, it's just so darn cheap and all. 8)

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Post by ETC123 » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:52 am

Deus ex Machina wrote:In opposition to the Funimation boycott, for every person ETC123 harasses into not buying a box set, I will personally buy two. I mean, it's just so darn cheap and all. 8)
Please do this and post receipts because you won't follow through :)

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Post by EricM » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:14 am

So much anger generated here by such a simple box of paper and plastic... :?

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Post by ETC123 » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:22 am

EricM wrote:So much anger generated here by such a simple box of paper and plastic... :?
It is not a reaction generated by the sum of its parts. There is more to this set than simply being a DVD box.

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Post by Jord » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:46 am

Well I like the new aspect ration. 4:3 format bites when you've got a widescreen TV.
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Post by nathantheguitarist » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:47 am

Widescreen bites when you've got a 4:3 TV. ;)
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Post by ETC123 » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:52 am

Jord wrote:Well I like the new aspect ration. 4:3 format bites when you've got a widescreen TV.
This logic pretty much shows that you're not really ready to own a widescreen TV.

I mean honestly, you're ignoring that a widescreen TV has things such as pillarboxing and zoom functions (which would acheive the EXACT same thing that this does, only it wouldnt be sacrificing 15% of the screen for the sake of lazy people). I'm sorry, but you're in the wrong here. Damagingly so.

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Post by Duo » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:54 am

What I said however many pages ago is still true, and I'll reinforce it.

This stupid relativist attitude that "there is no right and wrong" can just die and burn forever. It applies on levels far higher than this, but to keep things on context - to hell with opinion! The correct conclusion is that we are screwing ourselves and everyone else over by lying to ourselves and buying these because it's cheap. The fan community has influenced big changes before!

Uh, how exactly did Steven J. Simmons get a job? Demand. Demand for a subtitled Japanese version, and we got the best damn subtitler we coulda asked for. Where is that generation of fans willing to stand up and refuse to buy the flawed product? I highly doubt all of those people were picking up the Saban-ified season 1 and 2 VHS/DVD's.

Buying this set and pretending we don't have influence makes me sick. I didn't even care or really think about it until ECT came on and made this storm, but he's not the one in the wrong. I regret buying the first set and damn well won't even consider buying anymore or even watching this one. I was wrong. Apparently me and a few others are the only ones with balls big enough to listen to ECT, swallow our pride, and do what is right.

Come on, people.

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Post by EricM » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:58 am

ETC123 wrote:
Jord wrote:Well I like the new aspect ration. 4:3 format bites when you've got a widescreen TV.
This logic pretty much shows that you're not really ready to own a widescreen TV.

I mean honestly, you're ignoring that a widescreen TV has things such as pillarboxing and zoom functions (which would acheive the EXACT same thing that this does, only it wouldnt be sacrificing 15% of the screen for the sake of lazy people). I'm sorry, but you're in the wrong here. Damagingly so.
With a lot of modern widescreen TVs you actually get overscan control, so you can turn off overscan, and get the extra 5% on the sides. Yes, you still lose the top and bottom and it will never look quite right, but it's not as bad as you would think and the show is still very enjoyable.

I have a large widescreen TV and I will be putting up pics of these DVDs on it with overscan off showing the full 16:9 frame.

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Post by nathantheguitarist » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:59 am

Duo, I know what you can do with your boxset.

You can download the letter in my sig, then sign the letter, and then shit on the Season 1 boxset and put it in a box, and mail it to FUNi. :D

(At least... that's what I'd do)
EricM wrote:With a lot of modern widescreen TVs you actually get overscan control, so you can turn off overscan, and get the extra 5% on the sides. Yes, you still lose the top and bottom and it will never look quite right, but it's not as bad as you would think and the show is still very enjoyable.

I have a large widescreen TV and I will be putting up pics of these DVDs on it with overscan off showing the full 16:9 frame.
Your widescreen TV doesn't magically make the top and bottom come back, does it? No...

Now what's your point again? :roll:
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Post by ETC123 » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:05 am

nathantheguitarist wrote: Your widescreen TV doesn't magically make the top and bottom come back, does it? No...

Now what's your point again? :roll:
Going off of this, the extra five percent you gain that is negligible footage does NOT make up for the 15-20 percent that is missing from what is NOT negligible (the show is framed in 4:3, not 16:9. It's MEANT to be in 4:3. Get this in to your heads).

On top of this, going back over, certian parts used as examples (King Kai and Gregory, anyone?) were much more cropped/streched than shown. Seriously wake up people.

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Post by Conan the SSJ » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:10 am

ETC123 wrote:.
Ya' know, you're so into this, you may as well hunt down every name on this forum that has bought season 1 and subsequently point them out and say they're the lowest DBZ fans in existence. Vegetto EX and MajinVegetaXV, while both hate the set with a passion, have also bought season 1. Would they be part of that lowest form of DBZ fandom as well?

Seriously, trying to "make people feel bad" and say your every opinion must dominate everyone else's choices really makes you more repugnant than you realize. As others have said, practically all your points are valid, but sheesh you're not Akira Toriyama. Maybe you could stop with this insane amount of passive-agressive criticizing and ignorant insulting, then you may get through some people rather than the few who already decided not to buy future sets regardless (Mike, Corey, Rachel).

I'm done posting in reply to this guy.
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Post by EricM » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:19 am

nathantheguitarist wrote:Now what's your point again? :roll:
Well some people say that the extra 5% on the side was pointless because it gets cutoff with overscan anyway. I'm saying with some widescreen TVs you can get the extra 5% on the sides, so it looks slightly less retarded.



ETC123: Yes, we all fucking know it's not meant to be watched this way. I'm saying it's not as bad as you think, OK. I'm sure if you watch these DVDs on a widescreen TV with overscan off, you'd still enjoy the show.

I really only found a few shots looked bad in 16:9. This show converts better than you'd think.
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Post by ETC123 » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:19 am

Conan the SSJ wrote: Ya' know, you're so into this, you may as well hunt down every name on this forum that has bought season 1 and subsequently point them out and say they're the lowest DBZ fans in existence. Vegetto EX and MajinVegetaXV, while both hate the set with a passion, have also bought season 1. Would they be part of that lowest form of DBZ fandom as well?
You are misquoting, misinterpreting and misunderstanding what I am saying. XV and EX have perfectly valid excuses and were only getting the first set. I am taking issue with those that bought the first set and will continue to buy them in spite of what they have been told and how their desicion continues to affect the franchise's treatment (aswell as subsequent possible francises). EX, as he is a prominent member got this to basically confirm what it was (as far as I know, if you want to clarify this, then please go ahead, but he isn't buying it and continuing to buy it and SUPPORTING it of all things), and VX went and got it for comparisons sake. How exactly can this set be criticized properly if some people aren't willing to take the dive and you know, confirm our suspicions? On top of that, VX, from what I've read, is much more knowledgable/has the proper equipment to properly judge this set from a technical standpoint, all of which is basically fails as far as I can tell.
Seriously, trying to "make people feel bad" and say your every opinion must dominate everyone else's choices really makes you more repugnant than you realize. As others have said, practically all your points are valid, but sheesh you're not Akira Toriyama. Maybe you could stop with this insane amount of criticizing and ignorant insulting, then you may get through some people rather than the few who already decided not to buy future sets regardless (Mike, Corey, and Rachel) before you even showed up.
And I must what, sit here and go "oh well you know I think its bad and well maybe you're hurting things but its ok because it's your choice and you know I'm just in the minority and funimation are so good for doing this for giving us Mr simmons brand subtitles BLAHBLAHBLAH" because some people don't have the guts to actually stick it to FUNimation? Don't think I don't know what it's like, putting up with crap products for years on end thinking "this is all, this is it!". This is another line in FUNimation's crap, I won't stand for it, and I might as well be direct and I honestly don't care if at the moment you feel bad- eventually you're going to, and I won't be there to gloat. Years ago people argued that the Dragonball Z R1s didn't look any worse than the Toei discs because "well, hey, it's all an 80's cartoon! It can't look that bad!". Then the feature, on this site, comparing the R2 disc 1, pioneers disc 1 and the UUE disc 1 came up, and browsing the forums I saw a lot of people who had staunchly defended FUNimation going "oh shit, I never knew it was THAT different".
I'm done posting in reply to this guy.
Feel free to reply any time, because you know you want to.

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Post by ETC123 » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:23 am

EricM wrote: ETC123: Yes, we all fucking know it's not meant to be watched this way. I'm saying it's not as bad as you think, OK. I'm sure if you watch these DVDs on a widescreen TV with overscan off, you'd still enjoy the show.

I really only found a few shots looked bad in 16:9. This show converts better than you'd think.
It's the principle of the matter. Having watched an episode of this, I found it to be fairly annoying. Even if they finished the UUEs, I would not have THIS much of a problem with it, but they didn't, so whatever.

Point is, the five percent gained on the sides is a non issue, since it's just crap anyway. You're missing the point.

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Post by Maphisto86 » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:42 am

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
TripleRach wrote:This product has many severe, noticeable flaws. Those who have willingly purchased and enjoyed this product are sending a message to the manufacturer that they approve.

That's not just an opinion. You can say that you don't like what's been done, but when you buy this set, that's not the message you just sent FUNimation. In turn, you're effectively condoning this treatment of the series, whether you like it or not.

This is basically what ETC123 has been trying to say, though obviously in a much different way. In general, I agree with him, but it's not my intention to upset anyone or purport myself as being superior; I just want to throw out some common sense.
Agreed. I agree with ETC123's point, but I'm not gonna rub it in people's faces or assume a superior position. I think everyone knows this release is crap, or they are in denial. You don't need to be a brain when it comes to technological aspects of DVD releases or the like to realize this.

Also, am I the only one to notice that FUNimation has always charged out the ass for DBZ, and now all of the sudden it's cheap as cheap can be? Something tells me FUNimation knows this is a flawed release, and the only way they can sell it is because it's so cheap. Hell, every single review I've read points to the price as the main selling point.

Kinda sad.

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Agreed... I don't believe that anything can be bought for the right price. Sure the price for this set is great but that is like saying "I want to buy a wet cardboard box as a home... here's two cents mr. real estate guy." :roll: Hell and I'm FUNI's resident fanboy but I still think this set blows. Hopefully some miracle will cause FUNImation to wise up. That's what it will take it seems... :? :roll:

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Post by nathantheguitarist » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:46 am

The miracle of sending in ass-loads of letters to FUNi. ;)
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Post by narth3x » Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:22 am

hey there,
i have got my Set today and i like the widescreen very much.
I watch the Set on a 16:9 LCD and with the Faulconer Soundtrack.
I watched almost all episodes with original BGM here in germany but as i've heard faulconers work i liked it much more!

The reasons:
Its newer and has a better quality
It has more bass
Its sounds more dramatical

OK... Its not the ORIGINAL but it sounds much better for me

take care
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