The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:30 pm

That is, if we didn't have the statement about SS3 being SS2 x4, which means that SS3 = SS x8.
For Goku.
We've seen invinsible, gigantic power-ups before. Freeza went from ~3% to 50%, and then to 70%, and didn't even raise a little wind, or showed any aura.
That wasn't invisible. He spent several seconds standing still and raising his power. Goku also commented on his power increasing, and Freeza said he increased his power. Show me where that happens or is stated here.
And while I don't have a statement that states that Boo powered-up, I do have a fight with him fighting an opponent x8 stronger than the previous one.
SS Gotenks is x8 weaker than SS3 Gotenks, so yes.
You've yet to provide proof that SS Gotenks is x8 weaker than SS3 Gotenks, as that contradicts their fights.
And how does that make SS Gotenks slightly weaker than SS3 Gotenks?
You're just playing dumb now. If SS Gotenks was as strong as or stronger than SS3 Goku, Gohan's genki would have been enough to wipe out Pure Buu on its own (or at the very least, the Earthlings wouldn't matter).
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:59 pm

For Goku.
It speaks in general. Goku was the example because he is the protagonist, and the only one who has shown all 3 forms.
That wasn't invisible. He spent several seconds standing still and raising his power. Goku also commented on his power increasing, and Freeza said he increased his power.
Boo had plenty of time to increase his ki. It wasn't stated because it wasn't important, since Gotenks was still stronger, and it wasn't totally unexpected that Boo would be even more powerful.
You've yet to provide proof that SS Gotenks is x8 weaker than SS3 Gotenks, as that contradicts their fights.
Only if you don't want Boo suppressed.
You're just playing dumb now. If SS Gotenks was as strong as or stronger than SS3 Goku, Gohan's genki would have been enough to wipe out Pure Buu on its own (or at the very least, the Earthlings wouldn't matter).
I'm not, seriously. Gohan only proves that genki is a big part of his BP, but we are still in the dark. Not to mention that (over-)analizing the whole Genki Dama thing is similar to (over-)analizing characters physical feats by using real-world physics. Toriyama didn't think things this way, and we are not supposed to think things this way. This isn't simple math + in-universe rules like with the BP calculations. In this situation, the things are just like this: Gohan's & co. genki is big because of quality, while the Earthlings', etc genki is big because of quantity. Together, they kill Boo.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:08 pm

It speaks in general. Goku was the example because he is the protagonist, and the only one who has shown all 3 forms.
Do you have any proof of that? Also, do you have any proof that Gotenks has the same multiplier when that outright contradicts what's shown on the page?
Boo had plenty of time to increase his ki. It wasn't stated because it wasn't important, since Gotenks was still stronger, and it wasn't totally unexpected that Boo would be even more powerful.
Do you have any proof of that? Actually, yes, it would be VERY important for Piccolo to comment on that, because Gotenks would go from "strong enough to kill Buu with one blast" to "about as strong as Buu". This would be absolutely critical, and something that Piccolo would mention. Now, show me the proof that he raised his power invisibly without anyone saying anything about it, contradicting his previous actions and his character in the process.
I'm not, seriously. Gohan only proves that genki is a big part of his BP, but we are still in the dark. Not to mention that (over-)analizing the whole Genki Dama thing is similar to (over-)analizing characters physical feats by using real-world physics. Toriyama didn't think things this way, and we are not supposed to think things this way. This isn't simple math + in-universe rules like with the BP calculations. In this situation, the things are just like this: Gohan's & co. genki is big because of quality, while the Earthlings', etc genki is big because of quantity. Together, they kill Boo.
Do you have any proof of that? There's nothing like that in the manga. We're only told that Gohan and co's genki is probably not enough to kill Buu, and that it is enough when combined with the genki of a few billion Earthlings. Meaning Gohan's genki < Pure Buu's full power. We know that genki is part of ki, so when combined with the fact that the Earthlings were enough to boost the Genki-Dama to "wipe out Pure Buu" levels, it's impossible for Gohan to be tens of times stronger than Buu.

But I suppose that Toriyama was thinking of things in terms of multipliers, right? This is a rather lame attempt to ignore evidence that runs contradictory to your power level placements.
Only if you don't want Boo suppressed.
It's not a matter of wanting. Nothing supports that, and the scenes he's in make substantially less sense if he is.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by xmysticgohanx » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:18 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I hardly take fan calcs or the OBD seriously. It's just fan stuff. Feats that the universe backs up with statements or showings is all that matters to me.
It's not a fan calc. A fan calc would be like saying someone needs to be 100x faster to speedblitz someone then counting up all the times Goku speedblitzes someone to see his speed. What the obd does is objectively quantify feats e.g http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=19074
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:42 pm

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dbzfan7 wrote:I hardly take fan calcs or the OBD seriously. It's just fan stuff. Feats that the universe backs up with statements or showings is all that matters to me.
It's not a fan calc. A fan calc would be like saying someone needs to be 100x faster to speedblitz someone then counting up all the times Goku speedblitzes someone to see his speed. What the obd does is objectively quantify feats e.g http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=19074
For the love of God. :roll:
It was a calculation that was calculated by a fan. That makes it a fan calculation.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:45 pm

The amount of over-analyzing is enough to almost give me a aneurysm.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:48 am

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dbzfan7 wrote:I hardly take fan calcs or the OBD seriously. It's just fan stuff. Feats that the universe backs up with statements or showings is all that matters to me.
It's not a fan calc. A fan calc would be like saying someone needs to be 100x faster to speedblitz someone then counting up all the times Goku speedblitzes someone to see his speed. What the obd does is objectively quantify feats e.g http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=19074
For the love of God. :roll:
It was a calculation that was calculated by a fan. That makes it a fan calculation.
Exactly. It's a fucking fan calc. I don't give two shits what they have to say. It's speculation. They are all worth a grain of salt til someone in the comics/Manga's/TV shows/games/whatever actually come out and acknowledge a feat. People can theorize that Dragon Balls moon is supposed to be closer to earth and fan calc how close it was drawn, but Toriyama himself said it was the supposed to be the same as in real life. So even though it's positioning is wrong, word of god wins. Word of god always wins no matter how good or bad it is.
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Post by hleV » Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:34 am

dbzfan7 wrote:Word of god always wins no matter how good or bad it is.
What about when a word of god contradicts another word of god?

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Post by White Oni » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:34 pm

hleV wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Word of god always wins no matter how good or bad it is.
What about when a word of god contradicts another word of god?
Then you go with what's more sensible, or more recent, depending on the context.

It's the same thing with managa, there are contradictions in that, doesn't mean it's not reliable, or you discredit everything else in it.

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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:14 pm

Movie 9 Gohan VS Movie 10 Broly.
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Post by xmysticgohanx » Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:16 pm

m10 Broly is supposed to be >= SSJ2 Goku
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:30 pm

xmysticgohanx wrote:m10 Broly is supposed to be >= SSJ2 Goku
M9 Gohan is stronger than Cell Arc Gohan as well supposedly, if his entering in the tournament and willing to fight show he's been training.
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Post by White Oni » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:16 pm

Please excuse my ignorance, but what suggests that m10 broly => ssj2 goku?

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:22 pm

White Oni wrote:Please excuse my ignorance, but what suggests that m10 broly => ssj2 goku?
The writer of the movie said something about Broly being the strongest Saiyan, or something to that effect. Taking this into account, and without going to ridiculous lengths with it, I just use it to put Broly a bit stronger than the SSJ2's.
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Post by dbzfan7 » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:58 pm

hleV wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Word of god always wins no matter how good or bad it is.
What about when a word of god contradicts another word of god?
Well then the new word of god kinda wins....no matter how stupid it is. You could always go by manga canon and stuff to ignore it, or you could wait and see if things get fixed up. I dunno that's a more iffy subject.
Kamiccolo9 wrote:The writer of the movie said something about Broly being the strongest Saiyan, or something to that effect. Taking this into account, and without going to ridiculous lengths with it, I just use it to put Broly a bit stronger than the SSJ2's.
I agree with this. I go by the Daizenshuu line which has SSJ Broly's description as having power surpassing Goku or something along those lines. So I take that as his SSJ form is at least stronger than Goku's SSJ form, so then since I have the LSSJ multiplier being greater than SSJ2, Broly comes out on top. Though he's still not in the league of any Boo who can wipe out SSJ2's without too much of a problem.
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Spider-Man vs General Blue

MCU Thor vs Tao Paipai
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:37 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Spider-Man vs General Blue

MCU Thor vs Tao Paipai
Depends on which Spider-Man.

Thor takes this.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Spider-Man vs General Blue

MCU Thor vs Tao Paipai
Depends on which Spider-Man.

Thor takes this.
I was kind of leaving that up to you. Let's just say the most recent film Spider-Man, 'cause I also chose film Thor. For the record, I think Spider-Man is stronger (as Blue wasn't dimensions above BODB Goku, who could barely lift a 1 ton car), but Blue is faster (going by Roshi's bullet catching feat in the RRA arc; Blue wasn't dimensions below him or Goku) and still strong enough to hurt Spider-Man. So he could just run circles around him and beat him down. If we're using a version of Spider-Man who actually is fast enough to react to Blue, then Blue would be losing at first due to Spider-Man's superior strength, but would eventually break out his psychic powers (which he'd get a chance to do, as Spider-Man frequently holds back on his opponents), freeze Spidey, and shoot him in the face.

Any reason why? Tao Paipai seems far too fast for Thor, going by the pillar feat, and it doesn't look like Thor's so strong that Tao can't damage him, going by the relatively weak things that were shown to at least hurt someone (MCU Loki) on his level (pistol bullet, kick from Captain America, grenade on a stick), and the things that were implied to be able to kill Thor himself (a fall at terminal velocity, an autocannon).
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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RandomGuy96 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:Spider-Man vs General Blue

MCU Thor vs Tao Paipai
Depends on which Spider-Man.

Thor takes this.
I was kind of leaving that up to you. Let's just say the most recent film Spider-Man, 'cause I also chose film Thor.

Any reason why? Tao Paipai seems far too fast for Thor, going by the pillar feat, and it doesn't look like Thor's so strong that Tao can't damage him, going by the relatively weak things that were shown to at least hurt someone (MCU Loki) on his level (pistol bullet, kick from Captain America, grenade on a stick), and the things that were implied to be able to kill Thor himself (a fall at terminal velocity, an autocannon).
Tao was killed by a grenade. Thor took on the Hulk. And Loki is nowhere near Thor physically.
Thor can also fly and control the weather. Tao isn't doing anything when Thor drops a tornado on him and spams him with lightning.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:55 pm

Their two fights would dispute that notion. I don't buy the common "Thor was holding back" excuse, at least not at the end of the first movie, because that doesn't match the context at all, and you can see at several points that Loki would have been killed or seriously injured had he not been fast/strong enough to dodge/block. Also, Thor wasn't as strong as Hulk- he was more skilled and had a hammer, so was able to hold his own, but he seemed at a disadvantage in straight hand to hand, and ducked for cover while being shot at by an aircraft-mounted autocannon, which was only enough to sting Hulk. He was also implied to be lethally threatened by a fall from the helicarrier, which merely knocked the Hulk out.

I think Thor is more durable than Tao, but not much stronger, and nowhere near as fast (the pillar feat proves that). Also, to be fair, Tao wasn't killed by the concussion grenade, just badly injured. And his punches were strong enough to hurt a version of Goku that hardly took damage from a rocket to the chest.

Would he know to do that immediately, though? It seems MCU Thor only uses his lightning abilities as a last resort, and Tao does have the speed advantage here. I suppose he could just use the hammer to absorb one of Tao's energy blasts and shoot it back at him, but that's assuming Tao will bother using one, or that Thor is fast enough to "catch" it.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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