The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kamiccolo9]

Their two fights would dispute that notion. Also, Thor wasn't as strong as Hulk- he was more skilled and had a hammer, so was able to hold his own, but he seemed at a disadvantage in straight hand to hand, and ducked for his life from an aircraft-mounted autocannon, which was only enough to sting Hulk. He was also implied to be lethally threatened by a fall from the helicarrier, which merely knocked the Hulk out.

I think Thor is a lot more durable than Tao, but not much stronger, and nowhere near as fast.

Would he know to do that immediately, though? It seems MCU Thor only uses his lightning abilities as a last resort. I suppose he could just use the hammer to absorb one of Tao's energy blasts and shoot it back at him, but that's assuming Tao will bother using one, or that Thor is fast enough to "catch" it.

Thor was playing around with Iron Man and hurled lighting on him. He's not as strong as the Hulk, but he's on the same level, as shown by their fight on the Helicarrier when he was more or less holding his own even without Mjolnir. The Hulk also has a healing factor that Thor does not possess. During the Thor vs Loki fights, Thor was explicitly not wanting to fight him the first time, and was holding back from killing him the second time. He is consistently depicted as having far greater physical strength than any of the other Asgardians, except Odin.

Thor's speed will be determined in the next movie, once we see Quicksilver, but regardless, Tao can't outrun Mjolnir. All Thor has to do is throw it, and make sure he's on the opposite side of Tao when it comes back. Or he could just do like he did against Loki, and drop Mjolnir on Tao. I don't recall if his energy absorbing abilities were in the movies though.

[RandomGuy96]

Their two fights would dispute that notion. Also, Thor wasn't as strong as Hulk- he was more skilled and had a hammer, so was able to hold his own, but he seemed at a disadvantage in straight hand to hand, and ducked for his life from an aircraft-mounted autocannon, which was only enough to sting Hulk. He was also implied to be lethally threatened by a fall from the helicarrier, which merely knocked the Hulk out.

I think Thor is a lot more durable than Tao, but not much stronger, and nowhere near as fast.

Would he know to do that immediately, though? It seems MCU Thor only uses his lightning abilities as a last resort. I suppose he could just use the hammer to absorb one of Tao's energy blasts and shoot it back at him, but that's assuming Tao will bother using one, or that Thor is fast enough to "catch" it.

Thor was playing around with Iron Man and hurled lighting on him. He's not as strong as the Hulk, but he's on the same level, as shown by their fight on the Helicarrier when he was more or less holding his own even without Mjolnir. The Hulk also has a healing factor that Thor does not possess. During the Thor vs Loki fights, Thor was explicitly not wanting to fight him the first time, and was holding back from killing him the second time. He is consistently depicted as having far greater physical strength than any of the other Asgardians, except Odin.

Thor's speed will be determined in the next movie, once we see Quicksilver, but regardless, Tao can't outrun Mjolnir. All Thor has to do is throw it, and make sure he's on the opposite side of Tao when it comes back. Or he could just do like he did against Loki, and drop Mjolnir on Tao. I don't recall if his energy absorbing abilities were in the movies though.

Thor tried to murder Captain America later, so I really wouldn't say he was "playing around" with any of them. He was pissed that Iron Man was getting in his way. Good point on him using the lightning pretty quickly into the battle, though. The question is, could he hit Tao Paipai before he himself found himself on the receiving end of a beat down, and it would be enough to kill him?

He clearly wasn't as strong as Hulk (then again, wasn't he supposed to be weakened in that movie?), as shown by the autocannon scene, and the drop scene. He was just a lot more skilled, which let him hold off the Hulk long enough to grab his hammer. He didn't want to fight Loki, but that doesn't mean he was holding back. His actions contradict that interpretation.

I doubt that'd work- Tao Paipai would have to be standing perfectly positioned in relation to Thor, and Thor would have to actually get a chance to throw it. Neither of these things have to be true when Tao is so fast compared to every MCU character we've seen.

Have you ever watched Agents of SHIELD? Are the generic Asgardians portrayed as being extremely weak compared to Thor there?

I could be remembering it wrong, but in his fight with Loki in the Avengers, he seems to absorb one of Loki's energy blasts and fire it downwards.

What about the Spider-Man vs Blue match-up? I think that's a good one.

[dbzfan7]

Mr. Lao runs the DB Gauntlet. In filler he didn't get totally stomped by Cyborg Tao Pai Pai. Could be argued Tao Pai Pai wasn't trying, but he still didn't do half bad for a filler human. He's obviously below Cyborg Tao Pai Pai, but how far could he get?

[Pantalones]

Hmm... just watched that fight over again, and I'd say he seems to be on a higher level than Mr. Satan at the very least, knocking random thugs out in one shot each and being quick enough to reach the one with a gun before he could even shoot. He's also able to block some hits from Tao at first, almost completely dodged his hidden arm blade, and took a couple of solid hits from him without ending up unconscious or dead or anything, just winded and stunned for the moment (he was even up on his feet again not long after Gohan jumped in to save him from the Dodonpa.) It seemed like Tao was holding back more at first and then had to start holding back less to get a good hit in on the guy, going by how Lao dodged or blocked the early attacks pretty well but then suddenly got caught off guard by the next set.

He doesn't seem to be able to use ki though (or at the very least, only uses it to enhance his own abilities rather than using blasts, flight, etc.), so unless he's one of those freakishly-strong-despite-not-using-ki guys like Yajirobe, I would guess that he's "mid/upper Budokai fighter level" and Tao was mostly just messing around until he decided to use a Dodonpa and kill him just to scare the crap out of the villagers.

I kinda want to put him at a similar level to Nam or something. They seem to have some stuff in common (purely physical fighter, but drastically stronger/more skilled than a normal human despite frail appearances), after all, and both would be weak enough that Tao wouldn't have trouble with them but also strong enough to take on a gang of ordinary thugs without any real difficulty.

[RandomGuy96]

Yajirobe's battle power of 970 would dispute the idea that he doesn't use ki. He can't fly, shoot beams, generate explosions, create barriers, read minds, psychically manipulate things, or any of the other crap the other characters can do, but he does still use ki. It's kinda bullshit that he never learned how to at least fly and sense ki though. Even if he has no interest in fighting, those two abilities just seem like they'd really come in handy in every day life.

Anyone else have any opinions on MCU Thor vs Tao Paipai and Blue vs Spider-Man?

[dbzfan7]

Hmm... just watched that fight over again, and I'd say he seems to be on a higher level than Mr. Satan at the very least, knocking random thugs out in one shot each and being quick enough to reach the one with a gun before he could even shoot. He's also able to block some hits from Tao at first, almost completely dodged his hidden arm blade, and took a couple of solid hits from him without ending up unconscious or dead or anything, just winded and stunned for the moment (he was even up on his feet again not long after Gohan jumped in to save him from the Dodonpa.) It seemed like Tao was holding back more at first and then had to start holding back less to get a good hit in on the guy, going by how Lao dodged or blocked the early attacks pretty well but then suddenly got caught off guard by the next set.

He doesn't seem to be able to use ki though (or at the very least, only uses it to enhance his own abilities rather than using blasts, flight, etc.), so unless he's one of those freakishly-strong-despite-not-using-ki guys like Yajirobe, I would guess that he's "mid/upper Budokai fighter level" and Tao was mostly just messing around until he decided to use a Dodonpa and kill him just to scare the crap out of the villagers.

I kinda want to put him at a similar level to Nam or something. They seem to have some stuff in common (purely physical fighter, but drastically stronger/more skilled than a normal human despite frail appearances), after all, and both would be weak enough that Tao wouldn't have trouble with them but also strong enough to take on a gang of ordinary thugs without any real difficulty.

I'd say he's better than Nam as Cyborg Tao had a 210 power level I think which should we well above anyone from the 21st tourney. Mr. Lao impressed Tao Pai Pai somewhat so he's gotta be something.

[Pantalones]

Yeah, that was just a vague guess based on the idea that Tao wasn't going all-out on him at all until he decided to go ahead and use Dodonpa to finish him off (he seems to progressively hold back less as things go on--his first blows are blocked pretty handily, then his next one is almost-dodged, and then after that he gets a couple solid hits in that knock Lao on his ass for a bit. He just jumps straight to "finish him off quick" mode after seeing that he survived those hits, rather than just going to "full strength physical attacks" instead.)

He very well could be way, way past Nam if the hits from Tao that sent him flying (but didn't kill or seriously injure him, or even knock him out) were Tao hitting at full force, rather than just holding back less than he was at first. Yajirobe was past Nam's level when we first saw him despite never using ki in any obvious way (I mean, yeah, he was probably strengthening himself and infusing his sword with ki on an unconscious or semi-unconscious level... but he couldn't fly or sense powers or shoot energy blasts), so a freakishly strong martial artist from out of nowhere getting into the 100+ range without showing any signs of obvious ki use is entirely possible.

Though you do have to remember this is a filler scene, and filler is notorious for having weaker characters put up way more of a fight than they should against clearly stronger opponents (base Saiyans fighting enemies that are SSj-level and beyond, regular SSjs or SSj2s putting up more of a fight against Buu than in the manga, Yamcha beating Olibu, etc.), so it's hard to say exactly how much of a gap there could be between them.

[rereboy]

Tao Pai Pai killed Blue like he was nothing, and Blue would wipe the floor with almost everybody at the 21st tournament considering how he handled Krillin and gave trouble to Goku. Lao is quite powerful indeed, he would be able to get far in the 22nd tournament I believe.

[dbzfan7]

Tao Pai Pai killed Blue like he was nothing, and Blue would wipe the floor with almost everybody at the 21st tournament considering how he handled Krillin and gave trouble to Goku. Lao is quite powerful indeed, he would be able to get far in the 22nd tournament I believe.

I forgot about that. Yeah you're right. Blue went down much easier than Lao did. So if we go by 22nd tourney who would he beat besides the obvious human jobbers (Like Pamputto and Man Wolf)?

[rereboy]

I think he could be as strong as Roshi was in the 22nd tournament. Or at least Krillin.

[KentalSSJ6]

Gohan VS Broly-Buu

[dbgtFO]

Gohan VS Broly-Buu

The way I figure, Broly is vastly inferior to Buu, so like Piccolo-Buu, he wouldn't be significantly stronger and Gohan would beat him up just as effortlessly, as he did Super Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan VS Broly-Buu

I'm going to assume this is Super Buu. Gohan still beats him easily. Broly is so weak that there should be little difference between regular Super Buu and Super Buu with Broly absorbed.

[dbzfan7]

Gohan VS Broly-Buu

Gohan still stomps. Broly is SSJ2 tier or slightly above at best. I don't think that addition would help Boo.

[ZombieVito]

Appule vs Krillin (Arriving to Namek).

[RandomGuy96]

Appule vs Krillin (Arriving to Namek).

Appule wasn't immediately killed by the Namekians with power levels of 3,000, so he'd murder Krillin.

[Pantalones]

Either that, or he'd get Kienzan'ed in half. I mean, if it would've worked on Nappa... XD

[Kamiccolo9]

Gohan vs. Kid Buutenks.

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan vs. Kid Buutenks.

If he could last nearly twenty minutes against Super Buutenks, he should have no problem at all outlasting Pure Buutenks and then one-shotting him. Assuming he even needs to and isn't just stronger off the bat. Pure Buu likes to screw around, which will make this even easier.

[dbzfan7]

Gohan vs. Kid Buutenks.

Eh I don't think he'd do so well against Gohan. It's basically SSJ3 Goku power tier + SS3 Gotenks power together