The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[GogesusSSG]

Piccolo vs #20(at the same point at which they fought, only Piccolo decides against taking the senzu bean beforehand).

[dbgtFO]

Piccolo vs #20(at the same point at which they fought, only Piccolo decides against taking the senzu bean beforehand).

Then #20 easily beats Piccolo, no doubts about it.

[RandomGuy96]

I don't think it matters. The energy Gero took from Piccolo is lower than base Vegeta'a strength.

[dbgtFO]

I don't think it matters. The energy Gero took from Piccolo is lower than base Vegeta'a strength.

Meh, Piccolo was about to die and needed the senzu to regain his stamina. In that condition Dr. Gero should be more than enough to handle him.

[GogesusSSG]

Piccolo claimed that the energy stolen was nothing, but he previously praised Vegeta for making #20 run away straight after finishing off #19 by bluffing so he could just be doing the same. I think Piccolo could have won in this condition because of the ease at which he fought him whilst at full strength but he would have a much closer challenge.

[dbzfan7]

I dunno. Did Piccolo really need to take a senzu if he could win?

[rereboy]

I think he needed it because the android has sapped his stamina away, even if he didn't take that much energy. Only after normalizing his stamina, was he able to use the full scope of his power reserves.

[Nikkolas]

So a guy on another site made an interesting observation - pretty much all GT versus online are fights against Z or movie characters or something. There's practically nothing in the way of on-going GT vs. GT debates.

And he also suggested a match-up I think is interesting:

Super 17 vs. Nuova Shenron
This is Super 17 after absorbing the 10x Kamehameha and Nova starts out in his faster gold form

[Hugo Boss]

I would say Nuova Shenron would win with his ultimate technique, without it he would end up like SS4 Goku.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

Yeah, I think Nuova wins this one.

[GogesusSSG]

I also feel Nuova would win simply due to his own abilty (ki absorption) being used against him; as he'd basically be drawing the heat Nuova generates internally, especially his attack used against Omega. Unless Super 17 can handle the kind of heat that Omega w/o the 4 star ball couldn't then I don't think he can win.

[dbzfan7]

Well does Si Xing Long's attacks count as ki? They seem all fire based? Though really Si Xing Long's ultimate attack would own Super Yi Xing Long, so Super 17 goes down from that. Without it...I think Super 17 would have enough power to win. Also since he's good at detecting Goku's movement even with Shunkan Ido, I think he's got this if Si Xing Long does not use his best move.

[Nikkolas]

Okay I have a couple kind of versus topics that are also just general questions.... Both about Z this time.

1. Vegeta (post-Senzu after Racoome kicked his ass) vs. Captain Ginyu
Why do people think Vegeta is suddenly >120,000? I don't remember him fighting anyone who was worth anything at this point except Jeice. Jeice is nowhere near Ginyu. Couldn't Vegeta at most be twice as strong as Jeice? That still be weaker than Ginyu's max. The only thing else I remember is Vegeta thrashing a horribly weakened Ginyu....

2. How many Cell Jr.'s would it take to beat Cell Games Goku who was at full power?

[dbgtFO]

Okay I have a couple kind of versus topics that are also just general questions.... Both about Z this time.

1. Vegeta (post-Senzu after Racoome kicked his ass) vs. Captain Ginyu
Why do people think Vegeta is suddenly >120,000? I don't remember him fighting anyone who was worth anything at this point except Jeice. Jeice is nowhere near Ginyu. Couldn't Vegeta at most be twice as strong as Jeice? That still be weaker than Ginyu's max. The only thing else I remember is Vegeta thrashing a horribly weakened Ginyu....

Well Vegeta at first doesn't think he could take on Ginyu and so leaves Goku to deal with him, but when he fights Jheese, he had realized his power-up wasn't normal, so maybe the nap didn't really do anything after all and he was beyond 180,000 straight after eating the senzu. He just didn't know.

So Vegeta would probably try to not face Ginyu head on, just like in his 2nd fight with Ginyu, but he'd eventually be caught. If he then realized his true power, he might be able to stomp Ginyu. If he doesn't he gets stomped himself.

2. How many Cell Jr.'s would it take to beat Cell Games Goku who was at full power?

That depends on how much weaker than him they are individually, but I'll say the 7 Cell shat out could get the job done.

[RandomGuy96]

Okay I have a couple kind of versus topics that are also just general questions.... Both about Z this time.

1. Vegeta (post-Senzu after Racoome kicked his ass) vs. Captain Ginyu
Why do people think Vegeta is suddenly >120,000? I don't remember him fighting anyone who was worth anything at this point except Jeice. Jeice is nowhere near Ginyu. Couldn't Vegeta at most be twice as strong as Jeice? That still be weaker than Ginyu's max. The only thing else I remember is Vegeta thrashing a horribly weakened Ginyu....

2. How many Cell Jr.'s would it take to beat Cell Games Goku who was at full power?

1. Vegeta couldn't one-shot Jeice and was still awed by base Goku. Ginyu stomps.

2. Maybe three. Four at most. They should be about 75% of his strength.

[Angelus]

Imperfect Cell (Post-Absorptions) VS Kamiccolo, 17, 18, Tien, Goku, Gohan, Yamcha, Krillin, Chiaotzu

If Cell showed up before Kamiccolo and 17 started fighting. That way Kamiccolo would be at full power. Goku/Gohan won't turn SSJ2. They go full force and without anyone's death getting in the way. Meaning Goku won't try to save Krillin or anyone if they're about to get killed.

[RandomGuy96]

Imperfect Cell (Post-Absorptions) VS Kamiccolo, 17, 18, Tenshinhan, Goku, Gohan, Yamcha, Krillin, Chiaotzu

If Cell showed up before Kamiccolo and 17 started fighting. That way Kamiccolo would be at full power. Goku/Gohan won't turn SSJ2. They go full force and without anyone's death getting in the way. Meaning Goku won't try to save Krillin or anyone if they're about to get killed.

It wouldn't make a difference. He effortlessly beat up 17 and Piccolo at the same time, and walked through the latter's strongest attack like it was nothing. He'll take out 17, 18, and Piccolo in about 3-4 hits each. He'll take Goku out with one. The rest will die when he glares at them (literally).

[Kid Buu]

According to Death Battle, a Mighty Morphin Power Ranger is 32x stronger than the average human, which means their power level should be 160.

White Ranger Vs. Daimao Arc Yajirobe.

[Nikkolas]

Well Goku was 180 at the 22nd Tournament and he must have gotten a decent little zenkai after that and being thrashed by Tambourine. Even so, he was only equal to Yajirobe. I'd place Yajirobe at...190? 200 max.

Still, it all equals > 160.

[RandomGuy96]

According to Death Battle, a Mighty Morphin Power Ranger is 32x stronger than the average human, which means their power level should be 160.

Nooooot really. Power levels aren't linear. BODB Goku was far more than twice as strong as a regular human despite his battle power of 10, and I don't think I need to say that the combined strength of 80 humans isn't enough to destroy the moon. Also, Death Battle is pretty much the laughing stock of every versus community. So I'd take what they say with a grain of salt.