SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Having a movie version of Champa Arc doesn't guarantee good fights.The fights in ROF are almost as terrible as it's Super version.
I would heavily disagree with this. I would not be exaggerating when I believe RoF had the best choreography in the whole franchise. Really the problem with it was the plot which was standard DB movie fare
I agree since ROF had amazing fights. The fights in the Super version of ROF are so boring to watch. They put me to asleep while the fights in ROF do not.
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Having a movie version of Champa Arc doesn't guarantee good fights.The fights in ROF are almost as terrible as it's Super version.
I would heavily disagree with this. I would not be exaggerating when I believe RoF had the best choreography in the whole franchise. Really the problem with it was the plot which was standard DB movie fare
The bar has been set pretty low in that regard. Considering the staff that Fukkatsu no F had on hand the fights should have been much, much better. Instead they're the same annoying eye-level shots with the drawings having nearly all of the drawings homogenized and the timing muddled as a result. Even the previous film let some of Oonishi Ryou and Shida Naotoshi's strengths come through. The 2015 film was completely devoid of everything that makes animation great.
A film remake of the Champa arc is definitely a chance to set things straight, especially if Yamamuro isn't involved or has much less influence. Fingers crossed!
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SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Having a movie version of Champa Arc doesn't guarantee good fights.The fights in ROF are almost as terrible as it's Super version.
I would heavily disagree with this. I would not be exaggerating when I believe RoF had the best choreography in the whole franchise. Really the problem with it was the plot which was standard DB movie fare
The bar has been set pretty low in that regard. Considering the staff that Fukkatsu no F had on hand the fights should have been much, much better. Instead they're the same annoying eye-level shots with the drawings having nearly all of the drawings homogenized and the timing muddled as a result. Even the previous film let some of Oonishi Ryou and Shida Naotoshi's strengths come through. The 2015 film was completely devoid of everything that makes animation great.
A film remake of the Champa arc is definitely a chance to set things straight, especially is Yamamuro isn't involved or has much less influence. Fingers crossed!
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Having a movie version of Champa Arc doesn't guarantee good fights.The fights in ROF are almost as terrible as it's Super version.
I would heavily disagree with this. I would not be exaggerating when I believe RoF had the best choreography in the whole franchise. Really the problem with it was the plot which was standard DB movie fare
I agree since ROF had amazing fights. The fights in the Super version of ROF are so boring to watch. They put me to asleep while the fights in ROF do not.
Thirded. The battles in Resurrection F were nothing short of fantastic. Which just makes the Resurrection F retelling all the more depressing given how it panned out.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Zombie wrote:The retelling has at least one superior battle over the movie.
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My favorite beat down in the entire franchise.
Yeah, the Golden Freeza beatdown was far more satisfying, I'll give it that. Everything else about Ressurection F retelling was fukcing bollocks.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Zombie wrote:Everything else was fine and I absolutely loved episode 22 and the return of Ginyu.
I thought the return of Ginyu was one of the worst things about the Resurrection F retelling and Super in general. It made zero sense, needlessly stole Tagoma's spotlight and it ultimately built up to nothing.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Zombie wrote:Everything else was fine and I absolutely loved episode 22 and the return of Ginyu.
I thought the return of Ginyu was one of the worst things about the Resurrection F retelling and Super in general. It made zero sense, needlessly stole Tagoma's spotlight and it ultimately built up to nothing.
Well that's unfortunate for you.
To me it finally gave a conclusive end to one of my favorite villains.
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Zombie wrote:Everything else was fine and I absolutely loved episode 22 and the return of Ginyu.
I thought the return of Ginyu was one of the worst things about the Resurrection F retelling and Super in general. It made zero sense, needlessly stole Tagoma's spotlight and it ultimately built up to nothing.
The funny thing is that I constantly forget that Ginyu even happened. I remember up to Tagoma beating on everyone, and then my memory blips. It was so forgettable, so pointless, but not quite stupid enough to make me remember he returned. I find myself a lot of the time going "Oh yeah, that happened, and it was dumb."
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Kuririn Fan wrote:
Dude learned martial arts in a Shaolin Temple! How awesome is that?!
Too bad he's not a good enough animator or director to make use of it~
The moment Tadayoshi Yamamuro is as good as this, I will take him back in. Until then, I'd like for him to stay away from Dragon Ball.
Never gonna happen. We need Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru back if we want something like that in the future.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
They could have at least had Ginyu do something if he was going to be taking over Tagoma's body and role. He literally just got added to Vegeta's body count and threw away the threat that could have been Tagoma. Ginyu should of took over somebody else if he had to be inserted.
She/Her 
