The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:36 pm

More Match-ups!!
  • Base Bojack (Movie 9) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)

    Cooler (Fourth Form/100%) vs. Base Goku (Buu Saga)

    Oozaru Nappa vs. Nail

    Dodoria vs. Base Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) *Note: I know Dodoria's a bit stronger, but would that little bit matter in a "one on one" battle?*

    Super Saiyan Future Trunks (3 Years after defeating Androids) vs. Super Saiyan Trunks (EOZ)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:49 pm

Yajirobe VS Cyborg Tao

Both during the 23rd WMAT. But it will be a fight to the death, no ring outs or surrendering. No sword for Yajirobe, and no knife for Tao.

OR

23rd WMAT Cyborg Tao VS 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun

Still, no ring outs or weapons.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:03 am

Angelus wrote:Yajirobe VS Cyborg Tao

Both during the 23rd WMAT. But it will be a fight to the death, no ring outs or surrendering. No sword for Yajirobe, and no knife for Tao.

OR

23rd WMAT Cyborg Tao VS 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun

Still, no ring outs or weapons.
Cyborg Tao takes the second match. 22nd Budokai Roshi was only 139, and I'm fairly sure Tao was above that. As for Yajirobe... I'm not sure about him, since his power has no consistency to it in the Daimao arc, the only time we get an indication of how strong he is (aside from his official power level in the Saiyan arc).
Base Bojack (Movie 9) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)

Cooler (Fourth Form/100%) vs. Base Goku (Buu Saga)

Oozaru Nappa vs. Nail

Dodoria vs. Base Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) *Note: I know Dodoria's a bit stronger, but would that little bit matter in a "one on one" battle?*

Super Saiyan Future Trunks (3 Years after defeating Androids) vs. Super Saiyan Trunks (EOZ)
I think that base Bojack is as strong as the Cell that fought Goku. So Goku puts up a half-decent fight, then blows Bojack apart with the Warp Kamehameha.

Goku stomps. I don't think Cooler's regular form is much to write home about.

Nail stomps. It's fairly easy to just cut off his tail, and even if Nail doesn't do that, he's still a bit stronger and MUCH faster and more maneuverable.

I'd like to think Vegeta could pull it off.

Kid Trunks murders. I don't think future Trunks trained after killing the androids, so his present counterpart (who could put up a decent effort against someone who would one-shot future Trunks) would still be way stronger than him.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:10 am

Angelus wrote:Yajirobe VS Cyborg Tao

Both during the 23rd WMAT. But it will be a fight to the death, no ring outs or surrendering. No sword for Yajirobe, and no knife for Tao.

OR

23rd WMAT Cyborg Tao VS 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun

Still, no ring outs or weapons.
Gonna have to go with Tao on this one.
I see him overpowering both of them.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by GogesusSSG » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:27 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:More Match-ups!!
  • Base Bojack (Movie 9) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)

    Cooler (Fourth Form/100%) vs. Base Goku (Buu Saga)

    Oozaru Nappa vs. Nail

    Dodoria vs. Base Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) *Note: I know Dodoria's a bit stronger, but would that little bit matter in a "one on one" battle?*

    Super Saiyan Future Trunks (3 Years after defeating Androids) vs. Super Saiyan Trunks (EOZ)
SS Cell Game Goku should win.

Cooler's power in this form probably doesn't vary as much as Freeza's did, so base Goku would have to take it.

Nail should win if Nappa's initial power is around 4000 but if it's more like 6000 or above then the opposite would be true.

Vegeta could actually win if Dodoria is rusty from lack of fighting (like buu saga Gohan) or maybe tries to tank a kienzan or full powered galick gun.

present Trunks should win being stronger because both probably didn't train and not much difference in skill to give future Trunks a chance.
Angelus wrote:Yajirobe VS Cyborg Tao

Both during the 23rd WMAT. But it will be a fight to the death, no ring outs or surrendering. No sword for Yajirobe, and no knife for Tao.

OR

23rd WMAT Cyborg Tao VS 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun

Still, no ring outs or weapons.
Cyborg Tao should definitely win both fights with his Super Dodonpa; out of the two Jackie despite being weaker probably puts up a better fight due to his experience.

How about a Eis and Nuova Shenron Metamoran Fusion vs SS4 Gogeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Darkron2151 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:45 pm

GogesusSSG wrote: How about a Eis and Nuova Shenron Metamoran Fusion vs SS4 Gogeta.
I'll go with SSJ4 Gogeta. Eis seemed like he was much weaker than SSJ4 Goku, who was on par with Nuova. So Nuova would have to lower his level to match Eis' power level. Also, Vegeta seemed to be around even with Goku when he transformed, though got thrashed around by Nuova. So the question would come down to if who was stronger: Eis or SSJ4 Vegeta. I personally say Vegeta, so that would ultimately make SSJ4 Gogeta stronger than Nuoveis Shenron (See what I did there? :P ). So unless the dragon has higher speed and good techniques (Blinding Ice Claws, etc), I don't see him beating Gogeta (though the fight would be close).

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:49 pm

GogesusSSG wrote: How about a Eis and Nuova Shenron Metamoran Fusion vs SS4 Gogeta.
Gogeta wins this one in my opinion.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:34 pm

21st WMAT Jackie Chun VS Yajirobe

And 22nd WMAT Jackie Chun VS Yajirobe

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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:57 am

Mr. Buu Vs. Super Perfect Cell, Dabura, Bojack, and Broly.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:14 am

Kid Buu wrote:Mr. Buu Vs. Super Perfect Cell, Dabura, Bojack, and Broly.
Mr. Buu could put up a fight against Pure Buu. He kills all of these idiots with one attack.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:07 am

Kid Buu wrote:Mr. Buu Vs. Super Perfect Cell, Dabura, Bojack, and Broly.
As much as I would love to see Cell kick the ass of the pink doughboy.
Buu wins this one... :problem:
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by singsing » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:55 am

SSJ3 Gogeta without SSJ3 drawbacks vs Buucollo

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Post by White Oni » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:09 pm

singsing wrote:SSJ3 Gogeta without SSJ3 drawbacks vs Buucollo
This is a no brainer, gogeta stops.

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Post by Darkron2151 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:56 pm

Match-ups for the peoples!!
  • Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (GT) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto (GT)

    Super Saiyan Goten (EOZ) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)

    Super Saiyan Future Gohan (2 Arms) vs. Mecha Freeza (Full Power)

    Super Saiyan Future Gohan (1 Arm) vs. Piccolo (Android Saga/ Pre-Fusion)

    Super Saiyan Future Trunks (Android Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga/Yardrat)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:30 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Match-ups for the peoples!!
  • Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (GT) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto (GT)

    Super Saiyan Goten (EOZ) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)

    Super Saiyan Future Gohan (2 Arms) vs. Mecha Freeza (Full Power)

    Super Saiyan Future Gohan (1 Arm) vs. Piccolo (Android Saga/ Pre-Fusion)

    Super Saiyan Future Trunks (Android Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga/Yardrat)
Gogeta stomps so hard that Vegetto turns into diamond.

Goku is slightly stronger and much more skilled, so him.

Probably Gohan, though I don't think it will be easy.

Piccolo should be stronger.

I say Goku, even if Trunks is slightly stronger.
SSJ3 Gogeta without SSJ3 drawbacks vs Buucollo
Buu blows himself up, regenerates 30 minutes later, and kills Goku and Vegeta. Either that or he just nails him with a Candy Beam. Unlike SS Vegetto, SS3 Gogeta wouldn't survive that (not only is he much weaker, but Daizenshuu 7 implied that Vegetto's magic earrings let him keep his strength, not his high power level).
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by Kid Buu » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:37 pm

Kid Trunks Vs Future Trunks
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Post by xmysticgohanx » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:38 pm

Darkron2151 wrote:Match-ups for the peoples!!
  • Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (GT) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto (GT)

    Super Saiyan Goten (EOZ) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)

    Super Saiyan Future Gohan (2 Arms) vs. Mecha Freeza (Full Power)

    Super Saiyan Future Gohan (1 Arm) vs. Piccolo (Android Saga/ Pre-Fusion)

    Super Saiyan Future Trunks (Android Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga/Yardrat)
Vegetto because potara is that strong unless ssj4 is 500x

Goku beats Goten

iirc future Gohan > future Trunks

Gohan because Piccolo < Freeza

Idk
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:08 pm

Darkron2151 wrote: Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (GT) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto (GT)
Gogeta wins this one easy.
singsing wrote:SSJ3 Gogeta without SSJ3 drawbacks vs Buucollo
Another easy win for Gogeta.
One Stardust Beaker would take care of Buu for sure.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by singsing » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:33 pm

Buu blows himself up, regenerates 30 minutes later, and kills Goku and Vegeta. Either that or he just nails him with a Candy Beam. Unlike SS Vegetto, SS3 Gogeta wouldn't survive that (not only is he much weaker, but Daizenshuu 7 implied that Vegetto's magic earrings let him keep his strength, not his high power level).
Really? I've never seen that quote, can you show me? And would Buu really think of doing something like that, he seemed like quite the arrogant type to me.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:46 pm

singsing wrote:
Buu blows himself up, regenerates 30 minutes later, and kills Goku and Vegeta. Either that or he just nails him with a Candy Beam. Unlike SS Vegetto, SS3 Gogeta wouldn't survive that (not only is he much weaker, but Daizenshuu 7 implied that Vegetto's magic earrings let him keep his strength, not his high power level).
Really? I've never seen that quote, can you show me? And would Buu really think of doing something like that, he seemed like quite the arrogant type to me.
Super Buu is quite the opposite, actually.

Vegetto's Daizenshuu 7 bio states that he's immune to the power loss from transmutation because of his "special characteristics", not because of his strength:
Being a combination of two Saiyans, his appearance hasn't changed all that much, and feels like a combination of Goku's face and Vegeta's hairstyle. He has both Vegeta's coolheaded battle strategies and Goku's pure fighting sense, and there can be no doubt that his strength measures even greater than that of a [Super] Saiyan 3. He is capable of transforming from his normal state into a Super Saiyan form. He has certain special characteristics, including that his strength doesn't change even if his shape does. He was born only once, and battled Majin Buu.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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