Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Dr. Machismo]

I doubt Gast could do that.

Maybe he couldn't, but he should. But eh, it's not my comic.

[dbzfan7]

I doubt Gast could do that.

Maybe he couldn't, but he should. But eh, it's not my comic.

He's a warrior type so he can't.

[Dr. Machismo]

I doubt Gast could do that.

Maybe he couldn't, but he should. But eh, it's not my comic.

He's a warrior type so he can't.

Just because he's a warrior type doesn't mean he can't.

And U7 Gohan could still train to become as strong as U16/U18 Gohan. Or he could have gotten a powerup similar to Old Kai's that wasn't from Gast Carcohl.

[dbzfan7]

Just because he's a warrior type doesn't mean he can't.

And U7 Gohan could still train to become as strong as U16/U18 Gohan. Or he could have gotten a powerup similar to Old Kai's that wasn't from Gast Carcohl.

Yes it does. Warrior types don't have the same abilities of the dragon clan. This is confirmed when after Gast absorbed Dragon Clan members he can't make Dragon Balls. They also can't heal as confirmed by Dende.

U7 Gohan can't reach U16/18 level Gohan without that power up as it was far beyond breaking Gohan's limits and hidden power. The most Gast could do is bring Gohan to his limits and maybe a bit beyond. He can not do it to the level the Elder Kaioshin did. It's highly doubtful anyone else could give Gohan a boost as great as the Highest God in the universe. Elder Kaioshin says so himself.

[Dr. Machismo]

Yes it does. Warrior types don't have the same abilities of the dragon clan. This is confirmed when after Gast absorbed Dragon Clan members he can't make Dragon Balls. They also can't heal as confirmed by Dende.

Just because he can't heal or make Dragonballs doesn't mean he can't bring out people's powers.

U7 Gohan can't reach U16/18 level Gohan without that power up as it was far beyond breaking Gohan's limits and hidden power. The most Gast could do is bring Gohan to his limits and maybe a bit beyond. He can not do it to the level the Elder Kaioshin did. It's highly doubtful anyone else could give Gohan a boost as great as the Highest God in the universe. Elder Kaioshin says so himself.

So what if the powerup put Gohan past his limits? That still doesn't mean Gohan couldn't have trained to become that strong. Guru unlocked Gohan's hidden potential very similarly to how Old Kai, but Gohan still got stronger. No warrior in the Dragonball series has ever been shown to have a limit that they can't pass. If they train hard enough, they can break their limits.

And Old Kai could still be wrong. And who says it couldn't have been Old Kai that brought out U7's Gohan's potential out?

[dbzfan7]

Just because he can't heal or make Dragonballs doesn't mean he can't bring out people's powers.

Yes it does. Bringing out powers was a trait of Guru who was a dragon clan type. Gast can't do what dragon clan type nameks can.

what if the powerup put Gohan past his limits? That still doesn't mean Gohan couldn't have trained to become that strong. Guru unlocked Gohan's hidden potential very similarly to how Old Kai, but Gohan still got stronger. No warrior in the Dragonball series has ever been shown to have a limit that they can't pass. If they train hard enough, they can break their limits.

Yes it does. Guru's potential unlocking didn't unlock all of Gohan's power as he still had rage boosts. Gohan could not have rage boosts after getting his power unlocked from Elder Kaioshin as he had all of his power unlocked and way way more given to him. No one could take Gohan as far as the Elder Kaioshin could. It's true Gohan could get stronger after that, but he no longer had hidden power to rely on. Gast can not bring out that power on his own. The most he can do is make Gohan stronger. And that is if they even trained together at all.

And Old Kai could still be wrong. And who says it couldn't have been Old Kai that brought out U7's Gohan's potential out?

The Elder Kaioshin has never been wrong. There is no one in the Dragon Ball universe who could bring out Gohans hidden power better than him. The only ritual greater is Super Saiyan God. Which does not bring out hidden power but grants great power. Which was never mentioned until 2013 and DBM does not count SSJG.

[Dr. Machismo]

Yes it does. Bringing out powers was a trait of Guru who was a dragon clan type. Gast can't do what dragon clan type nameks can.

When was it ever stated that it was a dragon clan trait?

Yes it does. Guru's potential unlocking didn't unlock all of Gohan's power as he still had rage boosts. Gohan could not have rage boosts after getting his power unlocked from Elder Kaioshin as he had all of his power unlocked and way way more given to him. No one could take Gohan as far as the Elder Kaioshin could. It's true Gohan could get stronger after that, but he no longer had hidden power to rely on. Gast can not bring out that power on his own. The most he can do is make Gohan stronger. And that is if they even trained together at all.

No, it doesn't. Guru's powerup unlocked all of Gohan's power AT THAT POINT. Gohan still got stronger after that thanks to his recuperative abilities and training. As time passed, Gohan's hidden potential increased.

And there is no reason to think that Gohan can't have rage boosts anymore. He never even got one after he beat Perfect Cell. But does that mean he can't have anymore? No. The circumstances have to be appropriate for Gohan to get one.

The Elder Kaioshin has never been wrong. There is no one in the Dragon Ball universe who could bring out Gohans hidden power better than him. The only ritual greater is Super Saiyan God. Which does not bring out hidden power but grants great power. Which was never mentioned until 2013 and DBM does not count SSJG.

Just because he's never been wrong before doesn't mean he can't be wrong about something. And there could still be someone in the DB universe who can do what he does better. The man was sealed in a Sword for generations, so there should be a lot he doesn't know.

[dbzfan7]

When was it ever stated that it was a dragon clan trait?

It isn't exactly stated as far as I know, but it is never shown warrior type Nameks could accomplish this. I would think if a warrior type could accomplish this technique then they would actually show it. Piccolo never shows he is capable of this and he could have saved a lot of his time training with Gohan if he could. The only person to even be capable of this was the guru who is a dragon clan type and is above everyone in rank. Guru is the only one who could do it by being a highly experienced Dragon Clan type Namek. So the odds of a warrior type adopting such a high level Dragon type move is very unlikely.

No, it doesn't. Guru's powerup unlocked all of Gohan's power AT THAT POINT. Gohan still got stronger after that thanks to his recuperative abilities and training. As time passed, Gohan's hidden potential increased.

And there is no reason to think that Gohan can't have rage boosts anymore. He never even got one after he beat Perfect Cell. But does that mean he can't have anymore? No. The circumstances have to be appropriate for Gohan to get one.

Yes it does as the Elder Kaioshin brought up all of the power he could have and far more. Guru only brought out a little. Gohan couldn't get rage boosts in his fight with Boo because of this. The rage boosts weren't just random power ups, they were Gohan tapping into his vast potential. Elder Kaioshin made sure there was nothing left to hide. It's why he no longer needed SSJ transformations.

Just because he's never been wrong before doesn't mean he can't be wrong about something. And there could still be someone in the DB universe who can do what he does better. The man was sealed in a Sword for generations, so there should be a lot he doesn't know.

As of now there is no one who can bring out potential greater than the Elder Kaioshin himself. Trying to argue a what if will not help your case.

[Kamiccolo9]

Personally, I think that the potential unlock ability was limited to Guru alone, otherwise Dende or Kami could have used it on everybody. I don't think that it was a common Dragon Clan ability.

[dbzfan7]

Personally, I think that the potential unlock ability was limited to Guru alone, otherwise Dende or Kami could have used it on everybody. I don't think that it was a common Dragon Clan ability.

That too.

Gohan special parody

Probably could have mocked more material.

[Dr. Machismo]

It isn't exactly stated as far as I know, but it is never shown warrior type Nameks could accomplish this. I would think if a warrior type could accomplish this technique then they would actually show it. Piccolo never shows he is capable of this and he could have saved a lot of his time training with Gohan if he could. The only person to even be capable of this was the guru who is a dragon clan type and is above everyone in rank. Guru is the only one who could do it by being a highly experienced Dragon Clan type Namek. So the odds of a warrior type adopting such a high level Dragon type move is very unlikely.

It is never exactly stated. In other words, it is not definite. I think it is unlikely for a typical warrior Namekian to be able to bring out people's potential, but Gast Carcohl isn't a typical warrior Namekian. He's a merge of several Namekians.

Yes it does as the Elder Kaioshin brought up all of the power he could have and far more. Guru only brought out a little. Gohan couldn't get rage boosts in his fight with Boo because of this. The rage boosts weren't just random power ups, they were Gohan tapping into his vast potential. Elder Kaioshin made sure there was nothing left to hide. It's why he no longer needed SSJ transformations.

No, it does not mean Gohan could not have trained to become that powerful. If Gohan trained hard enough, he could have became that powerful. Elder Kai bringing up "all of the power he could and far more" has nothing to do with that. Guru did not bring out little of Gohan's potential. He brought out all of Gohan's potential AT THAT POINT. There is no reason to think Gohan couldn't get rage boosts after getting Old Kai's powerup; the circumstances just haven't been right since after he defeated Cell. When he fought Buu, he initially had the advantage, lost it and got beaten senseless. Simply getting beaten senseless never led to Gohan getting a rage boost.

As of now there is no one who can bring out potential greater than the Elder Kaioshin himself. Trying to argue a what if will not help your case.

It is perfectly plausible that there is someone who could.

[dbzfan7]

If it's not exactly stated, then it's not definite. Gast Carcohl also isn't just a warrior type Namekian. He's a merge of several Namekians, including Guru. He could still have mystic abilities.

It is stated as he can't create Dragon Balls or create other Nameks which are both Dragon Clan traits.

No. The circumstances have to be appropriate for Gohan to get one.

His hidden potential is where his rage boosts come from. He can't get any after his power up from the Elder Kaioshin as it unlocks all of the hidden power Gohan had drawn from and far more.

No, it doesn't. Guru did not just bring out a little of Gohan's power. Gohan couldn't get against rage boosts against Buu because the circumstances weren't right. All Old Kai said about the Super Saiyan forms were that they were just showbiz.

Rage boosts are Gohans hidden potential, do you understand that. If he can use rage boosts, it means he still has hidden potential. Gohan's Super Saiyan transformations no longer do anything as the Elder Kaioshin took all of the power Gohan could obtain and went far beyond the limits. That was the point of the ritual.

It is perfectly plausible that there is someone who could.

It isn't plausible unless there is an ass pull out of nowhere. You can't use the unknown to argue a point. How likely is there someone who can bring out potential greater than the highest God himself. That's like me saying it plausible Appule could have had a brother who would become the strongest in the universe and avenge him or it's plausible for a Super Saiyan 126 to be a transformation that has yet to be discovered.

[Dr. Machismo]

It is stated as he can't create Dragon Ball or create other Nameks which are both Dragon Clan traits.

But it's not stated that he can't bring out people's potential.

His hidden potential is where his rage boosts come from. He can't get any after his power up from the Elder Kaioshin as it unlocks all of the hidden power Gohan had drawn from and far more.

Just because Old Kai brought Gohan's hidden power doesn't mean he can't get anymore rage boosts. Guru brought out Gohan's hidden power, yet Gohan still had rage boosts.

Rage boosts are Gohans hidden potential, do you understand that. If he can use rage boosts, it means he still has hidden potential. Gohan's Super Saiyan transformations no longer do anything as the Elder Kaioshin took all of the power Gohan could obtain and went far beyond the limits. That was the point of the ritual.

Old Kai brought out all the power that was hidden in Gohan, not all the power he could obtain. That does not mean he can't have rage boosts.

It isn't plausible unless there is an ass pull out of nowhere. You can't use the unknown to argue a point. How likely is there someone who can bring out potential greater than the highest God himself. That's like me saying it plausible Appule could have had a brother who would become the strongest in the universe and avenge him or it's plausible for a Super Saiyan 126 to be a transformation that has yet to be discovered.

It still is plausible. There could be still someone greater than Old Kai that Old Kai doesn't know of. Old Kai was sealed in a sword for generations, so there should be a lot he doesn't know.

Do you not realize that this is a fancomic? By your logic, many of things Salagir did weren't plausible. And Old Kai himself could have been the one to bring out U7 Gohan's potential.

[dbzfan7]

But it's not stated that he can't bring out people's potential.

If he can't do the other two Dragon Clan techniques then he can't do potential unlocking. You can't use the unknown to support an argument. Why would he be able to unlock potential but not be able to do anything else Dragon Clan related. Because you say so.

Just because Old Kai brought Gohan's hidden power doesn't mean he can't get anymore rage boosts. Guru brought out Gohan's hidden power, yet Gohan still had rage boosts.

Yes it does. Guru didn't bring out all of Gohans potential. Guru spent a few seconds only bringing out a bit. The Elder Kaioshin took over a day to unleash all of Gohans potential and more. Guru and E. Kaioshin are not even close to the same level of ability. It's a moot point your making.

Old Kai brought out all the power that was hidden in Gohan, not all the power he could obtain. That does not mean he can't have rage boosts

The Elder Kaioshin brought out all of Gohans power and way more than he could achieve by simply training. Rage boosts=Hidden potential untapped. What part of that is hard to understand

Do you not realize that this is a fancomic? By your logic, many of things Salagir did weren't plausible. And Old Kai himself could have been the one to bring out U7 Gohan's potential

Your using the unknown to support your point. Do you not realize how ridiculous it is to try and use what does not exist and has not been shown to support a point. You need actual proof to support an argument. Salagir has broken canon so many times it hurts. Your way could happen as he stupidly does stuff that go against canon. You can find tons of example from reading past comments. Your whole theory is based on something that has not even been confirmed. We don't know if Gast even trained Gohan at all. He wouldn't even need to as he beats Freeza, Cell, and Majin Boo/Dabra (Pink demon could be either but is most likely Boo)

[Dr. Machismo]

If he can't do the other two Dragon Clan techniques then he can't do potential unlocking. You can't use the unknown to support an argument. Why would he be able to unlock potential but not be able to do anything else Dragon Clan related. Because you say so.

It isn't stated that he can't do the potential unlocking or that potential unlocking belongs only to the Dragon Clan. Yet you're saying otherwise. You can't use the unknown to support your argument.

Yes it does. Guru didn't bring out all of Gohans potential. Guru spent a few seconds only bringing out a bit. The Elder Kaioshin took over a day to unleash all of Gohans potential and more. Guru and E. Kaioshin are not even close to the same level of ability. It's a moot point your making.

The manga clearly says that Guru brought out Gohan's potential. It is stated that the powerup wasn't full. And one reason why it took Guru a shorter amount of time to bring out Gohan's potential could be how Gohan didn't have as much as potential back then. And it isn't stated that Old Kai is superior to Guru in potential awakening

The Elder Kaioshin brought out all of Gohans power and way more than he could achieve by simply training. Rage boosts=Hidden potential untapped. What part of that is hard to understand

All Old Kai did was bring out all of Gohan's potential. That doesn't mean Gohan couldn't have trained to get that strong. Just because Gohan gets his potential released doesn't he can't have more rage boosts. His potential was awakened by Guru, but he still had rage boosts.

Your using the unknown to support your point. Do you not realize how ridiculous it is to try and use what does not exist and has not been shown to support a point. You need actual proof to support an argument. Salagir has broken canon so many times it hurts. Your way could happen as he stupidly does stuff that go against canon. You can find tons of example from reading past comments. Your whole theory is based on something that has not even been confirmed. We don't know if Gast even trained Gohan at all. He wouldn't even need to as he beats Freeza, Cell, and Majin Boo/Dabra (Pink demon could be either but is most likely Boo)

OK, what do you not understand about this being a fancomic? What happens in a fancomic isn't canon at all. However, just because it's not canon doesn't mean it goes against the canon at all. I came up with an IDEA and based on what we know about Dragonball and this comic so far, there is nothing to say that my idea wouldn't work.

We don't know that Gast trained Gohan? OK, well, I'm saying that he SHOULD have trained Gohan, who should have grown up to be like how he was in Universe 12 but around as powerful as he was in Universe 16/18.

[dbzfan7]

It isn't stated that he can't do the potential unlocking or that potential unlocking belongs only to the Dragon Clan. Yet you're saying otherwise. You can't use the unknown to support your argument.

It is shown he can't perform Dragon Clan techniques. With this we can prove he can't do potential unlocking. By going by an established point we can prove this. Its like how Cell never destroyed a planet, but we can prove he is way above Freeza without him showing that feat.

The manga clearly says that Guru brought out Gohan's potential. It is stated that the powerup wasn't full. And one reason why it took Guru a shorter amount of time to bring out Gohan's potential could be how Gohan didn't have as much as potential back then. And it isn't stated that Old Kai is superior to Guru in potential awakening

Yes it is stated Elder Kaioshin is greater at bringing out potential than Guru. Guru can only bring out sleeping potential. He also never had someone who had the vast amount of potential as Gohan. Elder Kaioshin can bring out someones potential and take it way beyond their limits. What part of that doesn't say Elder Kaioshin isn't superior to Guru.

All Old Kai did was bring out all of Gohan's potential. That doesn't mean Gohan couldn't have trained to get that strong. Just because Gohan gets his potential released doesn't he can't have more rage boosts. His potential was awakened by Guru, but he still had rage boosts.

Elder Kaioshin brought out Gohans power way beyond what his limits could achieve. Elder Kaioshin brought out so much power that a (what if) SSJ3 Gohan would be a joke in comparison. That is not something that can be achieved by simple training. Guru is not on the same level as Elder Kaioshin. The Rage boosts are his hidden potential, you seem to not understand that.

OK, what do you not understand about this being a fancomic? What happens in a fancomic isn't canon at all. However, just because it's not canon doesn't mean it goes against the canon at all. I came up with an IDEA and based on what we know about Dragonball and this comic so far, there is nothing to say that my idea wouldn't work.

Yes there is plenty to say your idea wouldn't work. Could Gast train Gohan? Possibly but we don't know if that happened. Could he bring out more power then Elder Kaioshin could? Very unlikely. Could Gast use a Dragon Clan technique only the highest experienced could do even though he can't do anything of lower skill even though he absorbed someone who had these abilities? No. Non Canon can go against canon easily. Salagir gave Cold 2 more transformations that he never had. That goes against canon. Salagir has Babidi act like a moron who weakens Dabra before fighting Gohan. Thats goes against Babidi's character. Salagir makes Bardock stronger then King Vegeta even though the guidebooks state King Vegeta was the strongest Saiyan at the time of Planet Vegeta's destruction. That goes against Canon. Salagir changes the way Bardock gets his psychic abilities from the way Bardock actually gets it. See how he makes all of these errors.

We don't know that Gast trained Gohan? OK, well, I'm saying that he SHOULD have trained Gohan, who should have grown up to be like how he was in Universe 12 but around as powerful as he was in Universe 16/18.

Why should he train Gohan. He beats all the evil in his universe. He doesn't really have a reason to. Doesn't mean he couldn't though. However it is impossible for Gast to have Gohan be able to reach his Ultimate power state.

We don't even know how powerful Gast is. All we know is he killed a pink demon who is most likely Majin Boo. Going by this we have Fat Boo who is below SSJ3 Goku. We don't know how hard it was for Gast to beat Fat Boo. It is very unlikely Gast fought Kid Boo or Super Boo. Gast hasn't even shown himself be stronger than Ultimate Gohan. He might be stronger but we don't know yet.

[Dr. Machismo]

It is shown he can't perform Dragon Clan techniques. With this we can prove he can't do potential unlocking. By going by an established point we can prove this. Its like how Cell never destroyed a planet, but we can prove he is way above Freeza without him showing that feat.

It is not stated that potential unlocking is exclusive to the Dragon Clan.

The manga clearly says that Guru brought out Gohan's potential. It is stated that the powerup wasn't full. And one reason why it took Guru a shorter amount of time to bring out Gohan's potential could be how Gohan didn't have as much as potential back then. And it isn't stated that Old Kai is superior to Guru in potential awakening

Yes it is stated Elder Kaioshin is greater at bringing out potential than Guru. Guru can only bring out sleeping potential. He also never had someone who had the vast amount of potential as Gohan. Elder Kaioshin can bring out someones potential and take it way beyond their limits. What part of that doesn't say Elder Kaioshin isn't superior to Guru.

It is not stated that Old Kai is greater than Guru at bringing out potential power. Guru DID have someone like Gohan ... he brought out Gohan's potential! Both Old Kai and Guru do the same thing: they bring out potential power, which is the same thing as going beyond their limits.

Elder Kaioshin brought out Gohans power way beyond what his limits could achieve. Elder Kaioshin brought out so much power that a (what if) SSJ3 Gohan would be a joke in comparison. That is not something that can be achieved by simple training. Guru is not on the same level as Elder Kaioshin. The Rage boosts are his hidden potential, you seem to not understand that.

Yes, that is something that can be achieved by training. Just because rage boosts are part of his hidden potential does not mean that he can't have any more rage boosts when his potential is released. Again, Guru brought out Gohan's potential, yet Gohan still had rage boosts.

OK, what do you not understand about this being a fancomic? What happens in a fancomic isn't canon at all. However, just because it's not canon doesn't mean it goes against the canon at all. I came up with an IDEA and based on what we know about Dragonball and this comic so far, there is nothing to say that my idea wouldn't work.

Yes there is plenty to say your idea wouldn't work. Could Gast train Gohan? Possibly but we don't know if that happened. Could he bring out more power then Elder Kaioshin could? Very unlikely. Could Gast use a Dragon Clan technique only the highest experienced could do even though he can't do anything of lower skill even though he absorbed someone who had these abilities? No. Non Canon can go against canon easily. Salagir gave Cold 2 more transformations that he never had. That goes against canon. Salagir has Babidi act like a moron who weakens Dabra before fighting Gohan. Thats goes against Babidi's character. Salagir makes Bardock stronger then King Vegeta even though the guidebooks state King Vegeta was the strongest Saiyan at the time of Planet Vegeta's destruction. That goes against Canon. Salagir changes the way Bardock gets his psychic abilities from the way Bardock actually gets it. See how he makes all of these errors.

We don't know if Gast trained Gohan, but it is plausible that he did. Could he bring out more power than Old Kai? Probably not, but there could be someone who could (and it doesn't have to be more than Old Kai). Could Gast use a Dragon Clan technique only the highest experienced could do even though he can't do anything of lower skill even though he absorbed someone who had these abilities? If you were referring to bringing out potential, probably not, but again, there could be someone else.

You do not seem to grasp the concept of a fancomic. Noncanon does not go against canon by doing things that we haven't seen before. If it doesn't interfere with what's already established, then it doesn't interfere with canon. Doing things that the canon never did does not mean it goes against the canon. Cold having forms that we've never seen before does not go against canon. There is nothing proving that Cold doesn't have those forms, so using them doesn't go against the canon. Salagir also doesn't go against the canon by doing what he did to Babidi or Bardock ... because it was already established that there's a Multiverse.

[dbzfan7]

It is not stated that potential unlocking is exclusive to the Dragon Clan.

It shown as a skill performed by a Dragon Clan Namek. Gast absorbed Guru and can't perform Dragon Clan techniques. If it was possible for warrior Nameks to accomplish this, then it would have been shown. Your argument doesn't prove anything and has no weight. My argument while not 100% still has weight to prove why it's highly unlikely.

It is not stated that Old Kai is greater than Guru at bringing out potential power. Guru DID have someone like Gohan ... he brought out Gohan's potential! Both Old Kai and Guru do the same thing: they bring out potential power, which is the same thing as going beyond their limits.

Drawing out Dormant Power
First Appearance: Chapter 265
Category: special
People: Saichourou, Elder Kaioshin
Special Characteristics: This is a technique that draws out the dormant power that each person has. In Saichourou’s case, he only triggers the drawing out of that person’s dormant power; if there is no power sleeping inside that person, no change will occur. He is able to use this technique merely by holding his hand over the person’s head. In the Elder Kaioshin’s case, he is able to draw out a person’s dormant power beyond their limits, but this requires him to do a dance, and takes over 20 hours. (Daizenshuu 4, p.50,

Yes it is. Notice how the guide book says in the Elder Kaioshins case. See how it's different. What part of Way way beyond your limits don't you understand.

Yes, that is something that can be achieved by training. Just because rage boosts are part of his hidden potential does not mean that he can't have any more rage boosts when his potential is released. Again, Guru brought out Gohan's potential, yet Gohan still had rage boosts.

I have debunked this several times. It can't be achieved in training the power up Gohan got. Gohan got a power up far beyond what could be achieved from SSJ3. If you want to ignore guidebooks and actual statements in the manga be my guest.

You do not seem to grasp the concept of a fancomic. Noncanon does not go against canon by doing things that we haven't seen before. If it doesn't interfere with what's already established, then it doesn't interfere with canon. Doing things that the canon never did does not mean it goes against the canon. Cold having forms that we've never seen before does not go against canon. There is nothing proving that Cold doesn't have those forms, so using them doesn't go against the canon. Salagir also doesn't go against the canon by doing what he did to Babidi or Bardock ... because it was already established that there's a Multiverse.

Do you seriously believe this. If you write a fancomic to be close to the manga and have inconsistencies, then it goes against canon. Salagir said he is trying to make a sequel to the manga. By doing so he has to follow the rules laid out in the original manga. DBM canon goes against the canon of the original manga. Cold having 2 more forms goes against him being stated as weaker than Freeza in Daizenshuu 7, and makes his whole actions against Trunks ridiculous if he could get stronger. If Cold could transform he would have. Babidi going way out of character is against canon. Salagir changed the Bardock event because he didn't like how it was done in the special. That is changing canon.

Actually try to support your points. I can't see anything from your point of view if you can't prove anything or even support your theories. If Gast somehow has the ability to unlock potentials then give me an example of how a Warrior Namek can accomplish this. Don't just say I think he can because you want U7 Gohan to be as strong as U16/18 Gohan. As VegettoEX (the Forum administrator) pointed out, you can't use the unknown to support your arguments without some evidence to back it up. If you do you can create so many wild theories that are ridiculous. How about there is an alien race known as Akanzi who are in the south quadrant and are all as powerful as Boo. Or Saiyans used to be plant like people until evolving into humanoid like aliens. Nothing contradicts this but nothing supports this either. How can Gast .do more than the second greatest power up in DBZ existence.

[Dr. Machismo]

It shown as a skill performed by a Dragon Clan Namek. Gast absorbed Guru and can't perform Dragon Clan techniques. If it was possible for warrior Nameks to accomplish this, then it would have been shown. Your argument doesn't prove anything and has no weight. My argument while not 100% still has weight to prove why it's highly unlikely.

Just because he can't do some Dragon Clan moves doesn't he can't do others. And Gast isn't just any warrior Namekian.

It is not stated that Old Kai is greater than Guru at bringing out potential power. Guru DID have someone like Gohan ... he brought out Gohan's potential! Both Old Kai and Guru do the same thing: they bring out potential power, which is the same thing as going beyond their limits.

Drawing out Dormant Power
First Appearance: Chapter 265
Category: special
People: Saichourou, Elder Kaioshin
Special Characteristics: This is a technique that draws out the dormant power that each person has. In Saichourou’s case, he only triggers the drawing out of that person’s dormant power; if there is no power sleeping inside that person, no change will occur. He is able to use this technique merely by holding his hand over the person’s head. In the Elder Kaioshin’s case, he is able to draw out a person’s dormant power beyond their limits, but this requires him to do a dance, and takes over 20 hours. (Daizenshuu 4, p.50,

Alright, you got me there.

I have debunked this several times. It can't be achieved in training the power up Gohan got. Gohan got a power up far beyond what could be achieved from SSJ3. If you want to ignore guidebooks and actual statements in the manga be my guest.

You've only proven that Old Kai's charm is greater than Guru's. You have not proven that Gohan couldn't have trained to gain power on par with the charm.

Do you seriously believe this. If you write a fancomic to be close to the manga and have inconsistencies, then it goes against canon. Salagir said he is trying to make a sequel to the manga. By doing so he has to follow the rules laid out in the original manga. DBM canon goes against the canon of the original manga. Cold having 2 more forms goes against him being stated as weaker than Freeza in Daizenshuu 7, and makes his whole actions against Trunks ridiculous if he could get stronger. If Cold could transform he would have. Babidi going way out of character is against canon. Salagir changed the Bardock event because he didn't like how it was done in the special. That is changing canon.

I'm saying that doing things that the manga had never done before doesn't break rules or add inconsistencies.

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Just because he can't do some Dragon Clan moves doesn't he can't do others. And Gast isn't just any warrior Namekian.

Never has a warrior type namekian been capable of a Dragon type skill. You need an actual lead to prove this. Not an ambiguous theory. What is your lead. What supports your theory. I supported how it can't happen, you haven't supported your theory at all.

You've only proven that Old Kai's charm is greater than Guru's. You have not proven that Gohan couldn't have trained to gain power on par with the charm.

So Gohan can somehow train to get powers far beyond SSJ3 (Salagir doesn't include SSJ God) which is the highest SSJ transformation in his base form without any strain. Yeah no amount of training can make that possible for Gohan. Gohan can not possibly reach that kind of power without the Elder Kaioshin.

I'm saying that doing things that the manga had never done before doesn't break rules or add inconsistencies.

This is true in someways. If Salagir designed a new SSJ4 (he won't) then that isn't breaking canon. If Salagir had Goku and Vegeta get training from Vegetto after the tournament that would not break canon. Having different occurrences in other universes is not breaking canon. Having Cold get 2 new transformations out of nowhere breaks canon. If Cold could transform he would have done that against Trunks. Cold is also stated as weaker than Freeza in Daizenshuu 7. Having Bardock gain psychic abilities by changing how he actually got them is breaking canon (Salagir said the beginning is based on the special with added changes and these changes are not from a multiverse but because he didn't like how it was shown in the tv special). Having Babidi become a complete moron in a special that he puts as part of the canon universe is breaking canon (universe 12 is the future trunks timeline we know). There is a difference of how extras can and can not break canon.