The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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SSJ3 Gotenks vs Buu with Piccolo and somehow Goten/Trunks absorbed

[RandomGuy96]

SSJ3 Gotenks vs Buu with Piccolo and somehow Goten/Trunks absorbed

Super Buu already won with no one absorbed.

[Nikkolas]

I've heard that SSJ3 Gotenks was clearly stronger in the manga. He was just an idiot.

[dbgtFO]

I've heard that SSJ3 Gotenks was clearly stronger in the manga. He was just an idiot.

Yes and yes.
Since in this match up Buu has already used his absorption technique, I'm assuming Gotenks witnessed it and would then be more careful, than he was in their actual rematch.
As far as strength is concerned Gotenks should have the advantage, but Buu might still win due to his abilities. Gotenks would need to trap Buu like he did with the Galactic Doughnuts, but Buu would be aware of that.
I think Buu would win.

[dbzfan7]

SSJ3 Gotenks vs Buu with Piccolo and somehow Goten/Trunks absorbed

Gotenks wins if he doesn't dick around. If he does which he probably would, Boo would win with no one absorbed as he's shown he can outlast Gotenks.

[Angelus]

Good Buu VS End of Z SSJ2 Vegeta (no BOG canon included)

Settings: During the 28th WMAT... the one where Goku flies off with Uub. It's obvious that Buu and Vegeta are going to be the finalists. Could Buu beat Vegeta in order to save Mr. Satan from losing?

[RandomGuy96]

Good Buu VS End of Z SSJ2 Vegeta (no BOG canon included)

Settings: During the 28th WMAT... the one where Goku flies off with Uub. It's obvious that Buu and Vegeta are going to be the finalists. Could Buu beat Vegeta in order to save Mr. Satan from losing?

Mr. Buu put up a fight against Pure Buu, who is many times stronger than SS2 Vegeta. We basically get a repeat of his fight with Fat Buu.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

I think if Vegeta went all out he could beat Buu.
We are talking about end of Z Vegeta here, so i'm pretty sure he could have become a great deal stronger.
Even without the addition of Battle of Gods.

It would be a close fight.

[Angelus]

But he fought Fat Buu, not Good Buu. Isn't Good Buu weaker?

[SSJ God Gogeta]

But he fought Fat Buu, not Good Buu. Isn't Good Buu weaker?

Yes, Mr.Buu is weaker than Majin Buu.

[RandomGuy96]

I think if Vegeta went all out he could beat Buu.
We are talking about end of Z Vegeta here, so i'm pretty sure he could have become a great deal stronger.
Even without the addition of Battle of Gods.

It would be a close fight.

BOG base Goku < Freeza, and he's supposed to be as strong or stronger than EOZ Goku. EOZ Goku considered a Pure Buu level opponent to be a good fight. His and Vegeta's gains are going to be very minimal.

But he fought Fat Buu, not Good Buu. Isn't Good Buu weaker?

This isn't Good Buu (fought Evil Buu and got absorbed), this is Mr. Buu (fought Pure Buu and then became part of the main cast). Going by displayed feats, Mr. Buu is stronger than Fat Buu (the one that fought Goku, anyway).

[Hellspawn28]

The narrator called Syn Shenron the most powerful enemy Goku ever faced.

That statement could retcon itself now. If Vegito could be stronger then SSj4 Goku and if fusion is useless against Beerus then Beerus is likely just as strong or stronger then as the Super One Star Dragon. SSj3 Vegito would likely be stronger then SSj4 Goku since the power of the fusion would be stronger then a single SSj4. Just like how SSj Gogeta is stronger then SSj3 Goku.

[RandomGuy96]

The narrator called Syn Shenron the most powerful enemy Goku ever faced.

That statement could retcon itself now. If Vegito could be stronger then SSj4 Goku and if fusion is useless against Beerus then Beerus is likely just as strong or stronger then as the Super One Star Dragon. SSj3 Vegito would likely be stronger then SSj4 Goku since the power of the fusion would be stronger then a single SSj4. Just like how SSj Gogeta is stronger then SSj3 Goku.

Vegetto isn't stronger than SS4 Goku, and Syn is stated to be stronger than any of Goku's other enemies with no hint of a retcon even after Chozenshuu 4 placed him and Beerus in the same timeline.

[Hellspawn28]

With new stuff that we are getting now like new movies and manga spin offs, I think we are likely to see stronger villains then the Super One Star Dragon. I also don't see the big issue with Vegito being stronger then SSj4 Goku. If SSj Gogeta is stronger then SSj3 Goku then SSj3 Vegito should be stronger then SSj4 Goku via power scaling.

[RandomGuy96]

With new stuff that we are getting now like new movies and manga spin offs, I think we are likely to see stronger villains then the Super One Star Dragon. I also don't see the big issue with Vegito being stronger then SSj4 Goku. If SSj Gogeta is stronger then SSj3 Goku then SSj3 Vegito should be stronger then SSj4 Goku via power scaling.

Nope, because Goku in GT is dimensions above his Z self, who combined with Z Vegeta to form Vegetto. Syn is stated to be Goku's strongest enemy, and BOG is stated to be in the same timeline as GT. This is pretty simple.

[Kaboom]

Let's play some catch-up. Pre-Raditz strength comparisons are a pain in the butt, so I'm skipping those.

1. Base Bojack (Movie 9) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)
2. Cooler (Fourth Form/100%) vs. Base Goku (Buu Saga)
3. Oozaru Nappa vs. Nail
4. Dodoria vs. Base Vegeta (Saiyan Saga)
5. Super Saiyan Future Trunks (3 Years after defeating Androids) vs. Super Saiyan Trunks (EOZ)

1. I think they're close in power, with Goku just a little bit behind. He might be able to make up for that with skill and technique, so I'll call this one a 50/50.

2. Same deal. Goku's just barely behind, and might be able to make up for it. 50/50.

3. I like to be a special snowflake and use that Movie 3 pamphlet's figure of 4,500 for Nappa, so as an Oozaru he'd be a bit stronger than Nail's 42,000. Nail might still be able to win if he pummels Nappa with heavily amplified attacks, or figures out the tail weakness. But Nappa's a seasoned warrior and a total tank, so I'll say the odds still lean slightly in his favor.

4. Vegeta's built tough, and will hang in there for a while, but his only surefire way of winning would be to go Oozaru. Otherwise he'll probably be beaten eventually.

5. I'm'a give this to the adult Future Trunks. I think kid Trunks is more or less on par with what his future self was at the Cell Games. Three more years of training will put Future Trunks a decent chunk stronger than that, which combined with his age and experience will let him thrash his younger self.

How about a Eis and Nuova Shenron Metamoran Fusion vs SS4 Gogeta.

Gogeta wins due to being partly GT Goku, unless the universe sabotages him for being partly GT Vegeta.

Joking aside, my philosophy for Fusions is "Goku and Vegeta always make a better Fusion with either method than anyone else." At Super Saiyan 4 they were already stronger than the dragons individually, I presume, so they'd still be stronger, even more so, when both pairs use the Fusion Dance.

Mr. Buu Vs. Super Perfect Cell, Dabura, Bojack, and Broly.

If it's Boo after losing most of his power from splitting, then all these guys together may be able to overwhelm him, though Cell and Broli would be doing most of the work. If not, then they all get wrecked and there's nothing they can do about it.

SSJ3 Gogeta without SSJ3 drawbacks vs Buucollo

The way I see it, Gogeta with just Super Saiyan 1 could already spank regular Evil Boo (who's only a little bit stronger with Piccolo absorbed), and tango with either Gotenks- or Gohan-absorbed Boo. Giving him Super Saiyan 3 against any of the above is massive overkill.

1. Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta (GT) vs. Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto (GT)
2. Super Saiyan Goten (EOZ) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games)
3. Super Saiyan Future Gohan (2 Arms) vs. Mecha Freeza (Full Power)
4. Super Saiyan Future Gohan (1 Arm) vs. Piccolo (Android Saga/ Pre-Fusion)
5. Super Saiyan Future Trunks (Android Saga) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Trunks Saga/Yardrat)

1. I'm one of those weirdos who thinks Vegetto is "only" a few times stronger than Gogeta, instead of tens or hundreds of times stronger or something. Any way you slice it, the difference between SS3 and SS4 is a lot greater than that. Gogeta wins.

2. Goten and Trunks are slackers, especially Goten, who's most likely going to be noticeably WEAKER at the epilogue than they were during the Boo arc. Goten gets his butt whooped.

3. I'll say Gohan prevails after a tough fight. Future Trunks at his first appearance was stronger than both.

4. Piccolo for sure. While he's trailing a good chunk behind the Android-arc Super Saiyans, I think he's at least a little bit stronger than Trunks and Goku were when Cyborg Freeza showed up.

5. Could go either way, I think. Trunks might have an edge in power, but Goku has an edge in skill and overall competency.

Kid Trunks Vs Future Trunks

Gonna have to be more specific there. But assuming kid Trunks' power never changed all that drastically...

- Future Trunks against Freeza, the Androids, and any point in his life before that gets his butt kicked.
- Cell Games Trunks is equally-matched in power with kid Trunks, but probably prevails.
- The Future Trunks who killed Future Cell easily dominates his younger self.

1. Cooler (Fourth From (100%)) vs. Freeza (Fourth Form (50%))
2. Base Goku (Namek) vs. Piccolo (Trunks Saga)
3. Base Vegeta (Trunks Saga) vs. Base Future Gohan (2 Arms)
4. Super Saiyan Grade 3 Future Trunks (No speed reduction or Energy Strain) vs. Super Saiyan Goku (Cell Games (50%))

• 5.Super Saiyan Vegeta and (Healthy) Super Saiyan Goku (Android Saga) vs. Androids 17 and 18 (Trunks' Timeline)

1. I'm going to say Coola. He's weaker than Freeza in my book, but not so much that his full power is less than half of Freeza's (Coola's 100%: ~90-100 million). Even if they were equal in strength, Coola strikes me as the more talented and skillful of the two, and would probably still win.
2. I've never tried to guess how strong Piccolo was before he started training with a Super Saiyan for the Androids. But since he was comfortable taunting and challenging Vegeta, who was stronger than him before, then he's probably improved at least a little bit. And we've all seen how Piccolo can gain power crazy-fast when he trains seriously. So A) if Piccolo's only been training casually, they'll probably have a good fight, but B) if Piccolo's already been training at a faster pace, then Vegeta probably gets his butt kicked.
3. I'm going to give it to Vegeta. No real evidence or logic behind it, just a gut feeling.
4. If Trunks has no speed or stamina deficiencies, then it's going to be a close fight, with Goku perhaps the weaker of the two. Even if that's the case, I think Goku would probably still win. He's a lot more skilled a fighter than Trunks.

• 5. The two teams are extremely similar in power by my estimates, so the Androids' infinite stamina will most likely let them win.

Omega Shenron vs Beerus

I'm not really comfortable comparing GT characters to modern post-Z characters, for a variety of reasons. RandomGuy's logic is sound, but I'm hesitant to apply the "narrator is always right" approach to something else created 10 years later. Like White Oni put it, "Beerus doesn't exist in the GT universe." I'm gonna leave this one as undecided.

SSJ3 Gotenks vs Buu with Piccolo and somehow Goten/Trunks absorbed

I'll agree with the "Gotenks can win if he takes it seriously" approach. I think he had a small but noticeable lead on Boo already, and the addition of Piccolo and the boys' power to Boo's won't be drastic enough to change that.

Good Buu VS End of Z SSJ2 Vegeta (no BOG canon included)

I'm usually of the thought camp that, after his split, Mr. Boo's power was reduced down to the SS2 level, and he only lasted longer and did "better" against Pure Boo because of his broken Boo-ness. If that's the case, then with even just moderate improvement over those 10 years, Vegeta can now beat him.

If, however, for some freaky-deaky magical reason, Mr. Boo kept his full between-SS2-and-SS3 power throughout all the absorption shenanigans, then he's still a good chunk above SS2 Vegeta and can beat him.

[RandomGuy96]

I'm usually of the thought camp that, after his split, Mr. Boo's power was reduced down to the SS2 level, and he only lasted longer and did "better" against Pure Boo because of his broken Boo-ness

It should be noted that said "camp" ignores the actual fight. The "common knowledge" is that Buu just lasted longer due to regeneration, when in fact he was actually fighting Pure Buu, landing several hits and surviving some without the use of regeneration. That requires a very high power level, as this is a series where even a relatively small difference (e.g. x2) means your opponent can move faster than you can see, stand still and tank your hits all day, and kill you with one hit. Heck, if you want to go down that route, Pure Buu would have been the one that lost the battle if regeneration wasn't a factor. He got blown apart first.

If, however, for some freaky-deaky magical reason, Mr. Boo kept his full between-SS2-and-SS3 power throughout all the absorption shenanigans, then he's still a good chunk above SS2 Vegeta and can beat him

Your mistake is in thinking that the Buu that fought the grey clone and the Buu that fought the pink clone were the same person. Logically, if Evil Buu and Pure Buu aren't the same guy, Good Bu and Mr. Buu shouldn't be either.

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SSJ3 Gogeta without SSJ3 drawbacks vs Buucollo

The way I see it, Gogeta could already spank regular Evil Boo (who's only a little bit stronger with Piccolo absorbed), and tango with either Gotenks- or Gohan-absorbed Boo. Giving him Super Saiyan 3 against any of the above is massive overkill.

Oh hey, I'm not the only one who thinks that! I figured from lurking that the general consensus was that SSJ Vegetto is about 3,321,541.32 times stronger than SSJ Gogeta on here so I thought I'd put something that people would find fair, but yea, I too believe Gogeta isn't exactly THATTT much weaker than Vegetto.

[Kaboom]

I'm not going to debate about the Boo vs Boo stuff. But like I said, I'm open to the option that the Mr. Boo who popped out of Pure Boo was somehow as strong as his previous pre-split self. If something clarified it that way, I'd be onboard with it instantly. Until then, jury's out.

Oh hey, I'm not the only one who thinks that! I figured from lurking that the general consensus was that SSJ Vegetto is about 3,321,541.32 times stronger than SSJ Gogeta on here so I thought I'd put something that people would find fair, but yea, I too believe Gogeta isn't exactly THATTT much weaker than Vegetto.

Yep. The clincher for me is what the Elder Kaioshin said about Vegetto — that Goku and Vegeta being special in one way or another was the primary reason for Vegetto's strength, NOT just the Potara being a superior Fusion method. Therefore both Vegetto AND Gogeta are going to be stronger than what would normally be expected for other Fusions.

[Angelus]

SSJ Future Trunks (Androids Saga, pre-ROSAT) VS Piccolo (pre-Kami fusion)

Fight to the death. How easy would it be for Future Trunks to destroy this Piccolo? Would it be a rape stomp?

Pan (End of Z) VS Chiaotzu (End of Z)

During the 28th WMAT