"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[kidhero1000]

Man I just love how Future Trunks was a spectator in his own arc... Sarcasm aside that bugged the ever living out me he is now more or less a tertiary character in his own arc. No father and son Galick gun but we get a father and son speech instead. I like to think that Toyo is building up for Trunks "big moment" but that is gonna feel way worse when it happens, but the way things have gone so far I think Toyo will just make Goku use the Zen-Oh button as is no Trunks moment.

Trunks is the only fighter left standing now so he has to do something. Goku and Vegeta are done, they have no senzus either

I can buy Black being completely out of Ki after this so whatever, but what the hell is Trunks gonna do against the immortal Zamasu?

Suddenly turn into SSB, cause training with papa.

[Kanassa]

Trunks is the only fighter left standing now so he has to do something. Goku and Vegeta are done, they have no senzus either

I can buy Black being completely out of Ki after this so whatever, but what the hell is Trunks gonna do against the immortal Zamasu?

Suddenly turn into SSB, cause training with papa.

I'd accept that! Or Merged Zamasu diffuses, giving Trunks a chance to decapitate Black.

[MyNiggaGoku]

I can buy Black being completely out of Ki after this so whatever, but what the hell is Trunks gonna do against the immortal Zamasu?

Suddenly turn into SSB, cause training with papa.

I'd accept that! Or Merged Zamasu diffuses, giving Trunks a chance to decapitate Black.

If Zamasu diffuses,then I would love to see how'll they take care of Black & Zamasu.

I'll wait for the full translations,but I really hope they end up diffusing.

[OLKv3]

Trunks is the only fighter left standing now so he has to do something. Goku and Vegeta are done, they have no senzus either

I can buy Black being completely out of Ki after this so whatever, but what the hell is Trunks gonna do against the immortal Zamasu?

Suddenly turn into SSB, cause training with papa.

Oh god that would be terrible

[The gr]

Oh yeah,I totally buy trunks decapitate black head, because he was wasted after the defuse, and it would be totally sastifying, but the problem is how they will deal with an inmortal zamas, maybe Zeno will erase him or that trunks uses a deux ex machina to get Rid of him

[MyNiggaGoku]

Oh yeah,I totally buy trunks decapitate black head, because he was wasted after the defuse, and it would be totally sastifying, but the problem is how they will deal with an inmortal zamas, maybe Zeno will erase him or that trunks uses a deux ex machina to get Rid of him

Trunks kills Black(who's immensely tired) & they use the other side of the Zeno button(don't know if that's a Toei thing or not)in order to take Zamasu at future Zeno's palace and Zeno will erase him.

This will mean that the future timeline is saved and we'll get a happy ending for Trunks despite Zeno's involvement.Future Zeno will come to the present and the next arc will be ready to start.

Please Toyo,make that happen!

[The gr]

Oh yeah,I totally buy trunks decapitate black head, because he was wasted after the defuse, and it would be totally sastifying, but the problem is how they will deal with an inmortal zamas, maybe Zeno will erase him or that trunks uses a deux ex machina to get Rid of him

Trunks kills Black(who's immensely tired) & they use the other side of the Zeno button(don't know if that's a Toei thing or not)in order to take Zamasu at future Zeno's palace and Zeno will erase him.

This will mean that the future timeline is saved and we'll get a happy ending for Trunks despite Zeno's involvement.Future Zeno will come to the present and the next arc will be ready to start.

Please Toyo,make that happen!

all the humans died in trunks timelines , what I want is, Zeno recover some human from earth, and that would be a happy ending for Trunks instead of stupid bs, by looking at the pace of this chapter, there's a 75% that the future trunks Will end in may or a 25% it will end in June

I totally want to see Trunks decapitate black , because it will be so sastifying to see that, and there could be a legit reason why trunks finish black, because he was worn out by the potara

[jeffbr92]

Don't understand all that anime vs. manga thing in this thread, isn't the anime the main deal and the manga just a side thing? Either way, both are enjoyable to me, but I didn't like it this chapter very much:

It was a pain for me that Goku and Vegeta treated the battle against Golden Freeza as a game, I thought they learned that lesson in the Boo Arc, but then anyone could expect after RoF they finally learned the value of working together! Yeah, no.

Didn't like much Merged Zamasu techniques, I vastly prefer his anime version even if some people may find it random like Black's Scythe e.g I thought it was very unique and appealing!

Not a bad chapter, but not good either.

[MyNiggaGoku]

Oh yeah,I totally buy trunks decapitate black head, because he was wasted after the defuse, and it would be totally sastifying, but the problem is how they will deal with an inmortal zamas, maybe Zeno will erase him or that trunks uses a deux ex machina to get Rid of him

Trunks kills Black(who's immensely tired) & they use the other side of the Zeno button(don't know if that's a Toei thing or not)in order to take Zamasu at future Zeno's palace and Zeno will erase him.

This will mean that the future timeline is saved and we'll get a happy ending for Trunks despite Zeno's involvement.Future Zeno will come to the present and the next arc will be ready to start.

Please Toyo,make that happen!

all the humans died in trunks timelines , what I want is, Zeno recover some human from earth, and that would be a happy ending for Trunks instead of stupid bs, by looking at the pace of this chapter, there's a 75% that the future trunks Will end in may or a 25% it will end in June

I totally want to see Trunks decapitate black , because it will be so sastifying to see that, and there could be a legit reason why trunks finish black, because he was worn out by the potara

Yes,I think that Zeno would be able to do that but I don't know if he would be willing to.

Also,yeah there's a slim chance that this arc will end in 2 months instead of 1 but if that means we'll get a proper ending,then I won't complain.

[Kanassa]

[quote="jeffbr92"

It was a pain for me that Goku and Vegeta treated the battle against Golden Freeza as a game, I thought they learned that lesson in the Boo Arc, but then anyone could expect after RoF they finally learned the value of working together! Yeah, no. [/quote]
To be fair, with Golden Frieza they were pretty cocky because they knew that Frieza was no longer a threat due to his weakness.

[TheSaiyanGod]

You didn't see it right, because when merge zamas tried to blow up the building, out of nowhere vegito launches a blast and blow up Merged zamasu arm, that was just cool IMO

Oh yes. I agree. The way he appeared was cool. I'm just talking about the first shot that reveals him that I take issue with.

DB Manga usually have the underwhelming transformation , look at goku transformation at Namek, compare it to the Anime and manga,is obvious the Anime is better, because it had a better atmosphere and Now with Merged zamasu compare to the Anime and Manga,the anime is better because the visual and atmosphere drove it

It's amazing the hate that the manga takes here. In other places I accompany it, it's quite different.
They seem to want to find inconsistencies, just so that it somehow is compared to the anime.

,Is very ironic that people still believe that everyone praise toyotaro and bash at Anime, but now is the other way around,I think because the ft trunks Saga exposes the problem with toyotaro blatantly, is the homages, to much exposition and sometimes uncreative, with the figthing, those were minimal problem from 1 to 15 chapter, but now is more apparent and noticed it when I was rereading this.

Well, most of the people I see complaining, defend Toei, totally blinded by the things she does. They always look for inconsistencies, because they are literally Haters, even if it's the same series, only in a different media.

But the truth is, the most incoherent things of the Black bow in the anime, we did not have in the manga. Maybe because Toyotaro does not sacrifice coherence only by fanservice and audience like Toei. It does not have crazy power increases in Black without any explanation, Just for him to give some work as a villain, we do not have instant Zenkais, we do not have SSJ Rage, a totally unexplained transformation, only for Trunks to be able to fight against Black and Zamasu, we have a deepening in Black's powers (he could not use the body of the Goku correctly, so every time he suffered a Zenkai, the mind and body would connect and he could use him better) what is shown in the original story with Ginyu, instead of the guy stealing the body of gold and already leaving using all Skills like in anime.

Concern about them with Zeno-Sama in the manga, Zamasu not really being a Kaioshin, all the loose ends of the anime, Toyotaro corrected and so his version is the most coherent, and the most explanatory.

The problem is that he is extremely limited, with only 1 month to work countless things, and so it is not always possible to do everything that we expect. But surely he did a more coherent work than Toei that created numerous inconsistencies in the Black Saga From anime

[HeroR]

Really happy to see Zamas being outclassed in the manga, since that's the thing that would have made more sense from the very beginning. I'm also on the boat of those who found a lot of the anime's fluff rather random and/or poorly executed, so I welcome the changes Toyo made.

The only problem I can think of is that Vegito's appearance and fight felt way too condensed. Another twenty pages or something would have done wonders.

It doesn't make sense in the anime for Merged Zamasu to be outcass since Black by himself was stronger than Goku and Vegeta by the end. Even Future Zamasu was at least on par, although noticeably weaker. So it makes sense for anime Merged Zamasu to give Vegetto a good fight, but not be stronger than him.

Man I just love how Future Trunks was a spectator in his own arc... Sarcasm aside that bugged the ever living out me he is now more or less a tertiary character in his own arc. No father and son Galick gun but we get a father and son speech instead. I like to think that Toyo is building up for Trunks "big moment" but that is gonna feel way worse when it happens, but the way things have gone so far I think Toyo will just make Goku use the Zen-Oh button as is no Trunks moment.

Personal note, I didn't like Trunks' speech since Vegeta at this point shouldn't need one. He should be fighting for his son's world and his safety, not his ego. This worked in the Buu Saga where Vegeta was still being a selfish piece of work, but I expect better from Vegeta at this point. This is the same person who threw away his pride for Beerus. In the anime, Vegeta resisted, but the moment Goku pointed out that they stood no chance otherwise, Vegeta begrudgingly did it. And before, he worked hand and hand with Goku without issue.

The whole thing just feels like a step back for Vegeta's character.

Well, most of the people I see complaining, defend Toei, totally blinded by the things she does. They always look for inconsistencies, because they are literally Haters, even if it's the same series, only in a different media.

But the truth is, the most incoherent things of the Black bow in the anime, we did not have in the manga. Maybe because Toyotaro does not sacrifice coherence only by fanservice and audience like Toei. It does not have crazy power increases in Black without any explanation, Just for him to give some work as a villain, we do not have instant Zenkais, we do not have SSJ Rage, a totally unexplained transformation, only for Trunks to be able to fight against Black and Zamasu, we have a deepening in Black's powers (he could not use the body of the Goku correctly, so every time he suffered a Zenkai, the mind and body would connect and he could use him better) what is shown in the original story with Ginyu, instead of the guy stealing the body of gold and already leaving using all Skills like in anime.

Concern about them with Zeno-Sama in the manga, Zamasu not really being a Kaioshin, all the loose ends of the anime, Toyotaro corrected and so his version is the most coherent, and the most explanatory.

The problem is that he is extremely limited, with only 1 month to work countless things, and so it is not always possible to do everything that we expect. But surely he did a more coherent work than Toei that created numerous inconsistencies in the Black Saga From anime

Dismissing people not liking the manga and preferring the anime as 'totally blinded by the things they do' is crazy since most point out the flaws in the anime and say what the manga does better, like Goku using the Evil Containment Wave and not Trunks.

Also, the bolded is a false. He had Super Saiyan 2 Trunks be stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku with no explanation other than 'he trained for it' and we got Super Saiyan God Vegeta for no real reason. We also had Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta beat up Super Saiyan 1/2 Black, whose base was stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Trunks who was stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, meaning that Vegeta's Super Saiyan 2 is even stronger than Trunks', and that doesn't even have an explanation.

And Zamasu not being a true Supreme Kai makes no sense since he can used the Time Rings, something Gowasu said you needed to be a Supreme Kai to used.

[LowRyder2005]

Really happy to see Zamas being outclassed in the manga, since that's the thing that would have made more sense from the very beginning. I'm also on the boat of those who found a lot of the anime's fluff rather random and/or poorly executed, so I welcome the changes Toyo made.

The only problem I can think of is that Vegito's appearance and fight felt way too condensed. Another twenty pages or something would have done wonders.

It doesn't make sense in the anime for Merged Zamasu to be outcass since Black by himself was stronger than Goku and Vegeta by the end. Even Future Zamasu was at least on par, although noticeably weaker. So it makes sense for anime Merged Zamasu to give Vegetto a good fight, but not be stronger than him.

Leaving aside a supposed randomness of the Potara boost, it would make sense: while Black is stronger, Zamas is still treated like someone who's vastly inferior to a SSB. Being a weak link, it would have supposedly compensated quite nicely for the gap between Goku/Vegeta and Black.

Also, I don't really understand if according to you Zamas is "at least on par" with a SSB for some reason or "noticeably weaker". ... Exactly what do you mean?

[HeroR]

Leaving aside a supposed randomness of the Potara boost, it would make sense: while Black is stronger, Zamas is still treated like someone who's vastly inferior to a SSB. Being a weak link, it would have supposedly compensated quite nicely for the gap between Goku/Vegeta and Black.

Also, I don't really understand if according to you Zamas is "at least on par" with a SSB for some reason or "noticeably weaker". ... Exactly what do you mean?

Future Zamasu wasn't vastly inferior to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. He was able to trade hands and pushed Goku when they first met. So even if he was the 'weakest link', his power is still within range of Goku and Vegeta. Which is what I mean when I said 'on par' as in there isn't a vast power different. Future Zamasu is like Super Saiyan Goku against Perfect Cell and not so much Super Saiyan 2 Gohan against Perfect Cell.

[LowRyder2005]

Leaving aside a supposed randomness of the Potara boost, it would make sense: while Black is stronger, Zamas is still treated like someone who's vastly inferior to a SSB. Being a weak link, it would have supposedly compensated quite nicely for the gap between Goku/Vegeta and Black.

Also, I don't really understand if according to you Zamas is "at least on par" with a SSB for some reason or "noticeably weaker". ... Exactly what do you mean?

Future Zamasu wasn't vastly inferior to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. [...]

I think there's some vague merit in the assertion, since - if anything - it's a byproduct of TOEI's awful rendition of the fights in which everyone can exchange blows with everyone, but it's safe to say that Zamas is not intended to be drastically different than his present counterpart. Also, I recall that all of his feats were more or less stated to be a result of his immortality and I don't think anyone addressess him as stronger or particularly stronger. Goku is pretty much able to clobber him both in the manga and the anime.

[TheSaiyanGod]

Really happy to see Zamas being outclassed in the manga, since that's the thing that would have made more sense from the very beginning. I'm also on the boat of those who found a lot of the anime's fluff rather random and/or poorly executed, so I welcome the changes Toyo made.

The only problem I can think of is that Vegito's appearance and fight felt way too condensed. Another twenty pages or something would have done wonders.

It doesn't make sense in the anime for Merged Zamasu to be outcass since Black by himself was stronger than Goku and Vegeta by the end. Even Future Zamasu was at least on par, although noticeably weaker. So it makes sense for anime Merged Zamasu to give Vegetto a good fight, but not be stronger than him.

Man I just love how Future Trunks was a spectator in his own arc... Sarcasm aside that bugged the ever living out me he is now more or less a tertiary character in his own arc. No father and son Galick gun but we get a father and son speech instead. I like to think that Toyo is building up for Trunks "big moment" but that is gonna feel way worse when it happens, but the way things have gone so far I think Toyo will just make Goku use the Zen-Oh button as is no Trunks moment.

Personal note, I didn't like Trunks' speech since Vegeta at this point shouldn't need one. He should be fighting for his son's world and his safety, not his ego. This worked in the Buu Saga where Vegeta was still being a selfish piece of work, but I expect better from Vegeta at this point. This is the same person who threw away his pride for Beerus. In the anime, Vegeta resisted, but the moment Goku pointed out that they stood no chance otherwise, Vegeta begrudgingly did it. And before, he worked hand and hand with Goku without issue.

The whole thing just feels like a step back for Vegeta's character.

Well, most of the people I see complaining, defend Toei, totally blinded by the things she does. They always look for inconsistencies, because they are literally Haters, even if it's the same series, only in a different media.

But the truth is, the most incoherent things of the Black bow in the anime, we did not have in the manga. Maybe because Toyotaro does not sacrifice coherence only by fanservice and audience like Toei. It does not have crazy power increases in Black without any explanation, Just for him to give some work as a villain, we do not have instant Zenkais, we do not have SSJ Rage, a totally unexplained transformation, only for Trunks to be able to fight against Black and Zamasu, we have a deepening in Black's powers (he could not use the body of the Goku correctly, so every time he suffered a Zenkai, the mind and body would connect and he could use him better) what is shown in the original story with Ginyu, instead of the guy stealing the body of gold and already leaving using all Skills like in anime.

Concern about them with Zeno-Sama in the manga, Zamasu not really being a Kaioshin, all the loose ends of the anime, Toyotaro corrected and so his version is the most coherent, and the most explanatory.

The problem is that he is extremely limited, with only 1 month to work countless things, and so it is not always possible to do everything that we expect. But surely he did a more coherent work than Toei that created numerous inconsistencies in the Black Saga From anime

Dismissing people not liking the manga and preferring the anime as 'totally blinded by the things they do' is crazy since most point out the flaws in the anime and say what the manga does better, like Goku using the Evil Containment Wave and not Trunks.

Also, the bolded is a false. He had Super Saiyan 2 Trunks be stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku with no explanation other than 'he trained for it' and we got Super Saiyan God Vegeta for no real reason. We also had Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta beat up Super Saiyan 1/2 Black, whose base was stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Trunks who was stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, meaning that Vegeta's Super Saiyan 2 is even stronger than Trunks', and that doesn't even have an explanation.

And Zamasu not being a true Supreme Kai makes no sense since he can used the Time Rings, something Gowasu said you needed to be a Supreme Kai to used.

I'm not saying this just because people do not like the manga. By the comments of some, it becomes apparent that it is a haterism

Trunks trained all the days of his life, for 10 years as if it depended on it. Without counting 1 year fighting Black and suffering successive Zenkais. Do you have an idea of ​​what it is? At the same time they complain of him not doing anything, Complain about the strength he has achieved on his own, and do not even talk about
The SSJ Rage that had no explanation.

It was implied in Chapter 22 that SSG is a form that needs to be acquired to get the SSB. If it is a form that precedes it, it is not something apart, it is something that needs to come before. And if SSB Is a combination of the powers of the SSG and the SSJ, so you need the power of the SSG, and this is only possible by becoming Super Saiyan God.
It was never said that this form could only be acquired by ritual. It was just the quickest way to do that.

The only questionable thing is the fact that Vegeta SSJ2 fights Black SSJ2.
We may consider that Trunks suffered a great Zenkai after returning to the past, or that Vegeta got stronger after training in the gravity room. But I agree that this is strange, but I found even stranger Black to withstand the blows of vegeta SSB in the base form, Which does not make much sense at all

[HeroR]

Leaving aside a supposed randomness of the Potara boost, it would make sense: while Black is stronger, Zamas is still treated like someone who's vastly inferior to a SSB. Being a weak link, it would have supposedly compensated quite nicely for the gap between Goku/Vegeta and Black.

Also, I don't really understand if according to you Zamas is "at least on par" with a SSB for some reason or "noticeably weaker". ... Exactly what do you mean?

Future Zamasu wasn't vastly inferior to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. He was able to trade hands and pushed Goku when they first met. So even if he was the 'weakest link', his power is still within range of Goku and Vegeta. Which is what I mean when I said 'on par' as in there isn't a vast power different. Future Zamasu is like Super Saiyan Goku against Perfect Cell and not so much Super Saiyan 2 Gohan against Perfect Cell.

Well, I doubt it. I think there's some vague merit in the assertion, since - if anything - it's a byproduct of TOEI's awful rendition of the fights in which everyone can exchange blows with everyone, but it's safe to say that Zamas is not intended to be drastically different than his present counterpart. Also, I recall that all of his feats were more or less stated to be a result of his immortality. Goku is pretty much able to clobber him both in the manga and the anime.

It wasn't awful rendered at all. Future Zamasu was obviously supposed to be on the level of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, especially given Goku's expression when he fought him. The reason why he kept getting tag so easily was because his defense was terrible because he was an immortal. Both Future Trunks and Goku pointed this out.

Goku didn't clobber Future Zamasu until he got his rage boost and he returned to the past for the third time. Before then, Future Zamasu was giving him trouble. And immortality doesn't make you stronger. If he was only as strong as Present Zamasu, Goku would have wiped the floor with him completely.

I'm not saying this just because people do not like the manga. By the comments of some, it becomes apparent that it is a haterism

Trunks trained all the days of his life, for 10 years as if it depended on it. Without counting 1 year fighting Black and suffering successive Zenkais. Do you have an idea of ​​what it is? At the same time they complain of him not doing anything, Complain about the strength he has achieved on his own, and do not even talk about
The SSJ Rage that had no explanation.

It was implied in Chapter 22 that SSG is a form that needs to be acquired to get the SSB. If it is a form that precedes it, it is not something apart, it is something that needs to come before. And if SSB Is a combination of the powers of the SSG and the SSJ, so you need the power of the SSG, and this is only possible by becoming Super Saiyan God.
It was never said that this form could only be acquired by ritual. It was just the quickest way to do that.

The only questionable thing is the fact that Vegeta SSJ2 fights Black SSJ2.
We may consider that Trunks suffered a great Zenkai after returning to the past, or that Vegeta got stronger after training in the gravity room. But I agree that this is strange, but I found even stranger Black to withstand the blows of vegeta SSB in the base form, Which does not make much sense at all

Hatedom is strong word. Most of the comments happened because fans tend to downplay the manga's flaws, especially early in its run.

Super Saiyan forms do not get stronger. They are set multipliers. Super Saiyan 2 is a 2x multiplier from Super Saiyan. If Toyo wanted to show that Trunks has gotten stronger, should have made Trunks all around stronger from his base form. Not give him a Super Saiyan 2 that is stronger than any other for no reason. Especially since it raises the question of why Goku, the person who invented mastered Super Saiyan never discovered this. Super Saiyan Rage was a new transformation caused by anger, hence it's name. So it's really no different from the original Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2.

That isn't true since Vegeta had Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, while he clearly didn't have Super Saiyan God before he trained for a year. Also, Super Saiyan God is something apart from Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. It isn't just Super Saiyan God 2. It is its own unique form, something that was said in Resurrection 'F' movie.

Vegeta wasn't going all out since he caught Super Saiyan Rose Black's attack and punched him several times.

[LowRyder2005]

Future Zamasu wasn't vastly inferior to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. He was able to trade hands and pushed Goku when they first met. So even if he was the 'weakest link', his power is still within range of Goku and Vegeta. Which is what I mean when I said 'on par' as in there isn't a vast power different. Future Zamasu is like Super Saiyan Goku against Perfect Cell and not so much Super Saiyan 2 Gohan against Perfect Cell.

Well, I doubt it. I think there's some vague merit in the assertion, since - if anything - it's a byproduct of TOEI's awful rendition of the fights in which everyone can exchange blows with everyone, but it's safe to say that Zamas is not intended to be drastically different than his present counterpart. Also, I recall that all of his feats were more or less stated to be a result of his immortality. Goku is pretty much able to clobber him both in the manga and the anime.

It wasn't awful rendered at all. Future Zamasu was obviously supposed to be on the level of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, especially given Goku's expression when he fought him. The reason why he kept getting tag so easily was because his defense was terrible because he was an immortal. Both Future Trunks and Goku pointed this out.

Goku didn't clobber Future Zamasu until he got his rage boost and he returned to the past for the third time. Before then, Future Zamasu was giving him trouble. And immortality doesn't make you stronger. If he was only as strong as Present Zamasu, Goku would have wiped the floor with him completely.

Like I said, I personally doubt it was the idea behind the fight, much less the "obvious implication". To me it's like SS2 Trunks being able to match Goku Black, it's TOEI filling the gaps of a basic concept with some smoke and mirrors (the super-weak Zamas can't be killed by SSB Goku because the former's immortal = Zamas can randomly put a fight).
Perhaps it's because the manga is pretty clear in defining Zamas' level and in this case I don't see why they should differ this match since, basically, nothing changes in respect to the story.

To each his own, though. Still good for you if you found it palatable.

[HeroR]

Like I said, I personally doubt it was the idea behind the fight, much less the "obvious implication". To me it's like SS2 Trunks being able to match Goku Black, it's TOEI filling the gaps of a basic concept with some smoke and mirrors (the super-weak Zamas can't be killed by SSB Goku because the former's immortal = Zamas can randomly put a fight).
Perhaps it's because the manga is pretty clear in defining Zamas' level and in this case I don't see why they should differ this match since, basically, nothing changes in respect to the story.

To each his own, though. Good for you if you found it a good, I guess.

You are dismissing what the anime have shown and even told us as 'personally doubt it was the idea behind the fight'. Unless you have more proof than your personal account, the anime clearly showed us that Future Zamasu was within the power range of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku. And Super Saiyan 2 Trunks didn't match Black. He caught him off-guard and kicked him into the building. After than, Trunks never touched Black again until he got his Rage form. He didn't touched Future Zamasu in round 2, where he got his butt kicked.

There was no smoke and mirrors. Immortality doesn't magically make you stronger. Future Zamasu was able to thrown down with Goku and that was his own skill. Goku didn't even hit Future Zamasu and he only learned he was an immortal after Trunks stabbed him.

Manga Future Zamasu is clearly weaker than the anime version, just like Black. Future Zamasu in the manga did nothing against Goku, while anime Future Zamasu pushed Goku back.

It did change the story. In the anime, Black and Future Zamaus, and then Merged Zamasu looked like actual threats. In the manga version of these characters are jokes who only got ahead because of luck.

[OLKv3]

Well, I doubt it. I think there's some vague merit in the assertion, since - if anything - it's a byproduct of TOEI's awful rendition of the fights in which everyone can exchange blows with everyone, but it's safe to say that Zamas is not intended to be drastically different than his present counterpart. Also, I recall that all of his feats were more or less stated to be a result of his immortality. Goku is pretty much able to clobber him both in the manga and the anime.

It wasn't awful rendered at all. Future Zamasu was obviously supposed to be on the level of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku, especially given Goku's expression when he fought him. The reason why he kept getting tag so easily was because his defense was terrible because he was an immortal. Both Future Trunks and Goku pointed this out.

Goku didn't clobber Future Zamasu until he got his rage boost and he returned to the past for the third time. Before then, Future Zamasu was giving him trouble. And immortality doesn't make you stronger. If he was only as strong as Present Zamasu, Goku would have wiped the floor with him completely.

Like I said, I personally doubt it was the idea behind the fight, much less the "obvious implication". To me it's like SS2 Trunks being able to match Goku Black, it's TOEI filling the gaps of a basic concept with some smoke and mirrors (the super-weak Zamas can't be killed by SSB Goku because the former's immortal = Zamas can randomly put a fight).
Perhaps it's because the manga is pretty clear in defining Zamas' level and in this case I don't see why they should differ this match since, basically, nothing changes in respect to the story.

To each his own, though. Still good for you if you found it palatable.

He's wrong though because Future Zamasu got clobbered by everyone, he won one quick exchange with Goku and then got bodied by SSJ2 Trunks. Every episode after that had him being an annoyance to the heroes while they tried to focus on Black. Zamasu was always treated as weaker than everyone else