Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Hugo Boss]

So, Tagoma surpassed Ginyu Special Force and now he is as strong as Gohan. It seems Shisame was really at Zarbon level all along.

[Neon Z]

Just use the explanation that fans came up with for GT that Gohan can use his ultimate power through SS. It's not like Super makes any sense when it comes to battle powers anyway.

Well, with Gotenks getting into the battle, we'll get the answer to that soon, no speculation necessary. If Gohan SSJ turns out to be stronger than Gotenks, then, it's clear that his base actually is supposed to be ultimate all along and this is a further power up from that. If Gotenks is stronger than Gohan, then he really did fall to Cell Games level at best.

[LightBing]

Beerus mentioned the Saiyans got much stronger, even suggesting a fight with him. Unless Beerus was thinking they would use SSJ against him, it's implied that their bases are now SSJG or even stronger than that. What do you guys think?

Some new power levels:
Shisame - 22.500
Freeza's Invading Forces - 200 - 2500 (Freeza calls his army weak)
Kame Sennin - 1350
Jaco - 440

That line about Gohan not training is probably the reason he lost his Ultimate Form. Although it's weird, since right before Goku went to train with Whis, he said he was still training...

[buutenks]

Beerus mentioned the Saiyans got much stronger, even suggesting a fight with him. Unless Beerus was thinking they would use SSJ against him, it's implied that their bases are now SSJG or even stronger than that. What do you guys think?

Some new power levels:
Shisame - 22.500
Freeza's Invading Forces - 200 - 2500 (Freeza calls his army weak)
Kame Sennin - 1350
Jaco - 440

That line about Gohan not training is probably the reason he lost his Ultimate Form. Although it's weird, since right before Goku went to train with Whis, he said he was still training...

Think 2.5 k is to high for freeza soldiers considering freeza's troops freaked out on namek when they saw Pl of 3 k and 2 got one shotted from 1.5 k PL and these are second class soldiers.

Id say they r in 200-700 range.I cant imagine them being above raditz.

And jaco,ye seems about right IMO.

But seems either way you swing it,roshi powered up greatly from his supposed 139 PL,

[ZombieVito]

There's zero reason to have Roshi stronger than his offical 180 BP in this version.

[LightBing]

There's zero reason to have Roshi stronger than his offical 180 BP in this version.

He fought equally with Freeza's soldiers. The weaker ones I can remember were those guys that were killed by Kuririn and Gohan, immediately after they arrived on Namek.
You can choose to believe the soldiers are that weak or that Kame Sennin powered up. I prefer the latter, it makes more sense to me.

By the way, were is this 180 official number from?

[Neon Z]

There's zero reason to have Roshi stronger than his offical 180 BP in this version.

He's fighting in his max power form though. That by itself should have a higher power level than his base that got that power reading in the Saiyan Saga - and the fact that he's using it for an extended time also suggests that he's stronger than before.

[ZombieVito]

There's zero reason to have Roshi stronger than his offical 180 BP in this version.

He fought equally with Freeza's soldiers. The weaker ones I can remember were those guys that were killed by Kuririn and Gohan, immediately after they arrived on Namek.
You can choose to believe the soldiers are that weak or that Kame Sennin powered up. I prefer the latter, it makes more sense to me.

By the way, were is this 180 official number from?

It's from Weekly Jump.

And well Freeza himself said the army is pathetic while Roshi doesn't have statements to prove he trained.

[MasterVampire]

Does anyone else fear that in the next DBS episode Gotenks will only use SSJ1 and not SSJ3 even if he starts having a hard time?

[Bullza]

I can't see Tagoma being that strong that Gotenks would even need to use SSJ3.

[Noah]

I can't see Tagoma being that strong that Gotenks would even need to use SSJ3.

Well, Toei can do anything they want. If comes true, that would be a bad day for this fan base, for sure.

[Neon Z]

Does anyone else fear that in the next DBS episode Gotenks will only use SSJ1 and not SSJ3 even if he starts having a hard time?

That already happened in the Battle of Gods arc, so it happening again wouldn't be surprising... It's all odd too, because SSJ3 Gotenks always seemed more iconic than SSJ1, so you'd think they'd forget 1, not 3...

[Helios518]

Did Goten and Trunks even train since Buu saga?

[Lord Beerus]

Did Goten and Trunks even train since Buu saga?

Nope, as far as we know.

[LightBing]

Did Goten and Trunks even train since Buu saga?

Probably not. They're kids, they prefer to play. They most likely continued their routines like in the Boo Arc. Play fighting, Trunks maybe joined his dad in the gravity room once in a while.

[Bullza]

Does anyone else fear that in the next DBS episode Gotenks will only use SSJ1 and not SSJ3 even if he starts having a hard time?

That already happened in the Battle of Gods arc, so it happening again wouldn't be surprising... It's all odd too, because SSJ3 Gotenks always seemed more iconic than SSJ1, so you'd think they'd forget 1, not 3...

It was the movie where be only went SSJ1. In Super he didn't even turn Super Saiyan did he?

[Blackstripe]

It was the movie where be only went SSJ1. In Super he didn't even turn Super Saiyan did he?

Yeah, he severely underestimated Beerus in Super, for some reason.

At least here he is taking it more seriously by default. It would be hilarious if he went SSJ3 and Gohan was like: "Gee, I sometimes wish I had that sort of power!"

[buutenks]

Well,gotenks thought he could beat super buu with just ssj1 and fat buu with base form so ye.Overestimating himself is normal for him hehe.

[LightBing]

I'm gonna throw the first rock...

I believe Gohan partially kept his Mystic Boost, however lack of training made him need SSJ to access all of his power. The only information given is the lack of training, followed by Gohan assuring that maybe he can still turn SSJ.

Base Gohan - SSJ1 Tier
SSJ Gohan - Same as Mystic Gohan
Tagoma - Low SSJ2 Tier
Ginyu - SSJ2 Tier
First Form Freeza - Gotenks-Boo?

While Gohan did rush Beerus in base, so did Gotenks. It's a combination of stupidity and nobody being able to feel his ki,

[ZombieVito]

Fuck it, rough numbers:

Freeza [1st form]: 120,000,000,000

Gohan [Ultimate/Super Saiyan]: 90,000,000,000
Gohan [Base; BoG]: 45,000,000,000
Gohan [Base; RoF]: 4,500,000,000

Gotenks [Super Saiyan]: 9,000,000,000
Ginyu [Tagoma]: 7,500,000,000
Tagoma: 5,000,000,000
Piccolo: 2,500,000,000

The crazy thing is that BP for 1st form Freeza was his BP in his final form on my current list. Freaking insane. This forces me to use a 10 times multiplier for SSGSS instead of the 50 one I settled with.