"Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement, Pre-, & Post-Release Discussion Thread

[Yuji]

45 character slots left. Off the top of my head, they've yet to reveal.

- Imperfect Cell, Semi Perfect, Super Perfect (3)
- Teen Gohan, SS, SS2 (6)
- Kid Boo, Super Boo, Bootenks, Boohan (10)
- Kid Goku, Oozaru (12)

Those are the obvious ones. Now for some misc for Z:
- Gray Boo? (13)
- Cell Jrs? (14)
- Yakon, Spopovich and Pui Pui? (17)
- Shin? And Kibitoshin? (19)

Z's pretty covered once those are done. That leaves 26 slots left for DB, GT, Super and movies.
- Tao Pai Pai, Cyborg (21)
- Piccolo Daimao, old and young (23)
- one of Arale/Pilaf Mech/General Blue/Namu (24)
- GT Goku, SS, SS3, SS4 (28)
- GT Vegeta, SS, SS4 (31)
- GT Gogeta (32)
- Bebi Vegeta, form 2, form 3, Golden Oozaru (36)
- Super 17 (37)
- Yi Shin Long, Super (39)

5 slots left. I'm guessing Z Broly (42), maybe GoD Toppo (43) and Cabba (45).

My list is bound to be wrong though because even if I assume the other movie characters are DLC like Superhero, I can't imagine them leaving Frost out of the game or SS Bardock.

[Rinsankajugin]

Are there really people that love to main guys like Nail, Dodoria and Cui?

I used to play Nail a lot back in the day, and I know Cui has his fan, though most are probably of the ironic type.

45 character slots left. Off the top of my head, they've yet to reveal.

- Imperfect Cell, Semi Perfect, Super Perfect (3)
- Teen Gohan, SS, SS2 (6)
- Kid Boo, Super Boo, Bootenks, Boohan (10)
- Kid Goku, Oozaru (12)

Those are the obvious ones. Now for some misc for Z:
- Gray Boo? (13)
- Cell Jrs? (14)
- Yakon, Spopovich and Pui Pui? (17)
- Shin? And Kibitoshin? (19)

Z's pretty covered once those are done. That leaves 26 slots left for DB, GT, Super and movies.
- Tao Pai Pai, Cyborg (21)
- Piccolo Daimao, old and young (23)
- one of Arale/Pilaf Mech/General Blue/Namu (24)
- GT Goku, SS, SS3, SS4 (28)
- GT Vegeta, SS, SS4 (31)
- GT Gogeta (32)
- Bebi Vegeta, form 2, form 3, Golden Oozaru (36)
- Super 17 (37)
- Yi Shin Long, Super (39)

5 slots left. I'm guessing Z Broly (42), maybe GoD Toppo (43) and Cabba (45).

My list is bound to be wrong though because even if I assume the other movie characters are DLC like Superhero, I can't imagine them leaving Frost out of the game or SS Bardock.

Pretty good for the most part, though a few things to mention:

• I feel like Yakon and Pui-Pui will still be a part of Babidi (if he returns)
• I don't think we'll get 2 separate King Piccolos, if we do get Old King Piccolo, it'll probably be an alt costume
• I have a gut feeling GT might be DLC, I would like to be proven wrong though

[Koitsukai]

Good list, but I don't think SH (Beast, Orange, Gammas, Cell Max) will be left out.

I guess the DLCs will be mostly GT and Z movie characters.

[Rinsankajugin]

Good list, but I don't think SH (Beast, Orange, Gammas, Cell Max) will be left out.

I guess the DLCs will be mostly GT and Z movie characters.

Superhero characters are already confirmed to be DLC, Gamma 1 and 2 being the first shown off.

[Koitsukai]

Oh man, well, I guess that leaves more room for legendary characters.

[DarkPrince_92]

Are there really people that love to main guys like Nail, Dodoria and Cui?

I used to main Zarbon in Raging Blast 1 and Salza in Raging Blast 2, for a time until I switch. Usually you catch more high level players using the more side or fodder characters for fun.

That being said, I think having the option is better than not for most people playing these games. We'd love to see Pilaf machine make a return I'm sure, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker if it doesn't end up in the game if that makes sense.

[GTx10]

I'm hoping all the og characters from bt3 return for this. But reality is a cruel Mistress. So at least give me a robust og cast to play as. Maybe Major Metaltron?

Also why does every English media refer to Tao by his JPN name now? He was always Mercenary/General Tao for English speakers.

Tao Pai-Pai is just his full name, not really a change. Also, I don't understand why the dub used "General" Tao, he was a hired assassin who had nothing to do with the Red Ribbon Army.

That aside, the way Edmundson said "The Red Ribbon Army" does make me wonder. In BT3, the only RRA characters were General Blue, Dr. Gero, and technically the androids (though 19 was the only one who didn't defect; 8, 16, 17, and 18 all did their own thing). It would be interesting if we got some OG newcomers. Personally speaking, I've always wanted to see Ninja Murasaki in a Tenkaichi game.

Yeah but the Funi Uncut Dub (specifically) wise he was simply "Tao." I don't recall the Uncut Funi Dub ever calling him "Tao Pai-Pai" instead of "Mercenary/General Tao." Although if I'm wrong I would love to be proven wrong. So seeing him referred to as "Tao Pai-Pai in Funi English is not wrong but rather different from what I recall the Dub using.

But as for the subject at hand, this trailer still was meh to me. Did anyone doubt the presence of any of these characters? The Saibaman alone are a stable of DBZ fighting games lol.

[omegalucas]

Yeah but the Funi Uncut Dub (specifically) wise he was simply "Tao." I don't recall the Uncut Funi Dub ever calling him "Tao Pai-Pai" instead of "Mercenary/General Tao." Although if I'm wrong I would love to be proven wrong. So seeing him referred to as "Tao Pai-Pai in Funi English is not wrong but rather different from what I recall the Dub using.

Good. It means that like Mr. Satan and now Saibaiman, the English side of things is finally reverting completely unnecessary changes. Now if we could ever get rid of that I in Frieza...

[GTx10]

Yeah but the Funi Uncut Dub (specifically) wise he was simply "Tao." I don't recall the Uncut Funi Dub ever calling him "Tao Pai-Pai" instead of "Mercenary/General Tao." Although if I'm wrong I would love to be proven wrong. So seeing him referred to as "Tao Pai-Pai in Funi English is not wrong but rather different from what I recall the Dub using.

Good. It means that like Mr. Satan and now Saibaiman, the English side of things is finally reverting completely unnecessary changes. Now if we could ever get rid of that I in Frieza...

It isn't unnecessary. They are the official Funi Dub terms. They are valid terms within the English world. Also in my opinion I think Tao's full name is being used because he is a minor character that most casual fans won't know/remember. Hence they can get away with it.

Because Son Goku and Son Gohan still lack their "Son" part in most English media. You don't see the English side of things calling King Kai "Kaio" in English for example because he is a known character amongst the casual fans.

[miguelnuva1]

Yeah but the Funi Uncut Dub (specifically) wise he was simply "Tao." I don't recall the Uncut Funi Dub ever calling him "Tao Pai-Pai" instead of "Mercenary/General Tao." Although if I'm wrong I would love to be proven wrong. So seeing him referred to as "Tao Pai-Pai in Funi English is not wrong but rather different from what I recall the Dub using.

Good. It means that like Mr. Satan and now Saibaiman, the English side of things is finally reverting completely unnecessary changes. Now if we could ever get rid of that I in Frieza...

It isn't unnecessary. They are the official Funi Dub terms. They are valid terms within the English world. Also in my opinion I think Tao's full name is being used because he is a minor character that most casual fans won't know/remember. Hence they can get away with it.

Because Son Goku and Son Gohan still lack their "Son" part in most English media. You don't see the English side of things calling King Kai "Kaio" in English for example because he is a known character amongst the casual fans.

Dragonball for some reason is the only fandom I'm in that has the most problem with dub names. Street Fighter and Godzilla have no problem with dub names and Sailor Moon which I would argue was dub named worse than Dragonball never brings up the dub names are wrong.

[Rinsankajugin]

It isn't unnecessary. They are the official Funi Dub terms. They are valid terms within the English world. Also in my opinion I think Tao's full name is being used because he is a minor character that most casual fans won't know/remember. Hence they can get away with it.

You're not wrong, but I feel like calling Tao Pai-Pai a minor character feels kinda disingenuous. He was an antagonist for 2 different arcs. Not the main villain obviously, but still an important character, for both Goku and Tien.

[GTx10]

For us hard-core fans we know that Tao is/was a major player. That is why I said "casuals." Ask a typical DBZ fan who "Mercenary/General Tao/Tao Pai-Pai is and I'd bet they would mistake him for Pui-Pui.


As for DB alone having name changes nah! How many names does Anguirus have within a given Dub. Or Big G himself, don't forget Kumonga. Shall I go on? Lol

[omegalucas]

It isn't unnecessary. They are the official Funi Dub terms. They are valid terms within the English world. Also in my opinion I think Tao's full name is being used because he is a minor character that most casual fans won't know/remember. Hence they can get away with it.

Because Son Goku and Son Gohan still lack their "Son" part in most English media. You don't see the English side of things calling King Kai "Kaio" in English for example because he is a known character amongst the casual fans.

They were unnecessary to begin with when the dub began, that's what I mean. Changes for the sake of changes (or in the case of Mr. Satan, censorship). Reverting some of those is not inherently a bad thing, if anything it should have been done a long time ago (and in the case of Tao Pai Pai where his dub name is blatantly wrong it's a good thing, wish they did the same with Tenshinhan).

[Gt91]

I think we're still missing Trunks base form (long hair), mecha frieza, cell jr, ultimate gohan and others.
At this point I don't know if they also add Botamo, Magetta and all forms of Frost. I hope they are there too.
I see many characters from GT and the first series as season passes.

I still hope there is a season pass dedicated to Super Dragon Ball Heroes.

[Jord]

Still can't over how the art style doesn't work for every character. While Vegeta looks pretty good in his various forms, Goku just looks off. They also use the exact same model for all versions of base Goku. He just looks too damn skinny, which may work for SSG, but looks weird for all the other forms. And he's the main character of the show.

[Rafa Fast]

Here's something interesting I thought of, what if the game is going to include things that are exclusive to the manga? Or better, what if the manga exclusive scenarios / fights are going to be one of the multiple "what if" choices in the story mode?

This game has so many characters already that I believe this is going to be completely possible to be done, of course, I'm not saying they are going to add characters that only appear in the manga, we aren't getting Moro or Granolla or whatever, but I'm talking about using material from the manga that is actually possible to replicate by using what it's available from the anime.

They have Super Saiyajin God Goku and Vegeta, what if they're going to make the two use these forms as one of the different scenario choices in the Mirai Trunks Saga?
The Tournament of Power, what if they give us the chance to choose Gohan to fight Kefla? The choice to Goku not learn the UI from the Genki Dama, but from watching Roshi fighting Jiren? That's why I said "they have so many characters that this could be possible to be done", Roshi in his Super form is playable in the game, so it's completely possible to replicate that in the game.

Also, what if they are going to add the other Hakaishins in the game? If they do, there should be a reason for it, this reason being including the Zeno Expo from the manga where Beerus fought all of them.

What makes me believe that they could be doing this is that Bandai actually has been showing interest in the latest years of borrowing material from the manga and include them in the games by using what's availble from the anime.

Trunks training with Kaioshin is a moment that is only seen in the manga, and it was included in Dragon Ball Z Kakarot, with even Trunks wearing the Kaioshin's uniform being allowed to show.
Other, manga exclusive attacks and moves, some games such as Dokkan Battle have a few characters using attacks that are only seem in the manga.

I would really be excited to see this, this would be the closest we would get to see the manga exclusive events in official animated format, also, they can go on and also make multiple choices in the DB/Z sagas that lead to scenes/fights that are manga accurate, such as making Vegetto not fight Super Boo in his base form, just straight skip to Super Saiyajin, as Kakarot also did.

[Koitsukai]

I wasn't impressed with this trailer, really. Nothing shown was a surprise or unexpected. I guess the august trailer will be the same but with the Cell arc, where maaaybe we'll get something we weren't expecting, but not likely. I doubt we'll get Grade III Goku.

Probably there will be something surprising when they show us the Buu arc, maybe Gray Buu or Xherdan Shaqiri Buu, Kibitoshin, or Shin himself, and hopefully the confirmation of Babidi's low-level goons.

[IntangibleFancy]

Frieza's transformation cutscenes looked amazing. Something that's been bugging me though is how, in almost 20 years or so, no fully 3D DB game has given Goku a transformation sequence where his hair slowly sticks up before he transforms. Even now. Both Kakarot and SZ have given him good enough hair physics for it to be possible, but they still hide his transformation under a light or an impact frame.

[Hellspawn28]

What I think the last 45 will be

Spoiler:

Cell saga:
1. King Cold
2. Mecha Freeza
3. #16
4. #19
5. Imperfect Cell
6. Semi Perfect Cell
7. Super Perfect Cell
8. Base Teen Gohan
9. SSj Teen Gohan
10. SSj2 Teen Gohan
11. Cell Jrs

Buu saga:
12. Babidi
13. Grey Buu
14. Super Buu
15. Ultimate Gohan
16. Buutenks
17. Buuhan
18. Kid Buu
19. Shin
20. Kibitoshin

Super:

21. Tagoma
22. Cabba
23. SSj Cabba
24. Frost (1st form)
25. Frost (Final Form)
26. Magetta
27. Botamo
28. God Toppo
29. Basil
30. Lavender
31. Catopesra

DB:

32. DB Kid Goku
33. Ooozaru
34. General Blue
35. Tao Pai Pai
36. Tambourine
37. Piccolo Daimao

Z movies and GT:
38. LSSj Broli
39. Coola (Final Form)
40. Metal Coola
41. Janemba
42. SSj4 Goku
43. SSj4 Vegeta
44. Super Xi Ying Long
45. SSj4 Gogeta

[IntangibleFancy]

What I think the last 45 will be

Spoiler:

Cell saga:
1. King Cold
2. Mecha Freeza
3. #16
4. #19
5. Imperfect Cell
6. Semi Perfect Cell
7. Super Perfect Cell
8. Base Teen Gohan
9. SSj Teen Gohan
10. SSj2 Teen Gohan
11. Cell Jrs

Buu saga:
12. Babidi
13. Grey Buu
14. Super Buu
15. Ultimate Gohan
16. Buutenks
17. Buuhan
18. Kid Buu
19. Shin
20. Kibitoshin

Super:

21. Tagoma
22. Cabba
23. SSj Cabba
24. Frost (1st form)
25. Frost (Final Form)
26. Magetta
27. Botamo
28. God Toppo
29. Basil
30. Lavender
31. Catopesra

DB:

32. DB Kid Goku
33. Ooozaru
34. General Blue
35. Tao Pai Pai
36. Tambourine
37. Piccolo Daimao

Z movies and GT:
38. LSSj Broli
39. Coola (Final Form)
40. Metal Coola
41. Janemba
42. SSj4 Goku
43. SSj4 Vegeta
44. Super Xi Ying Long
45. SSj4 Gogeta

I'm going to be really angry and confused if they don't put Magetta and Botamo in. They've been a part of the franchise for 8 years now but not in ONE non-turnbased DB game. I'll also be pretty bummed if there's no Ganos or Katopesla, either but I'm expecting it.

Honestly, I just wish someone would give us a standalone DBS game.