Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:19 pm

JulieYBM wrote:Well, it's likely this Pan trains with Bra-16, so she's likely a Super Saiyan. Don't be so balls to the walls uptight about it.

I know, but they go on this rant about not liking GT and how they are going to stick with Z and then they go and pull a stunt like this. I would have not had a problem if they considered GT because of Goku Jr. going Super Saiyan. Nevertheless, they make Pan a Super Saiyan when her blood is diluted (according to the Daizenshuu). Bra transforming is understandable because she is half Saiyan and the twist that they could have added was that she started to train. Personally, I would have at least allowed Pan go Gigi-Super Saiyan and that is with GT in mind.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:24 pm

Well, this is their fan comic. Maybe if this were an authorized work their would be cause for action, but at this point...it's just guys having fun.

It's not like Universe-18 is exactly like the one from the comic, anyhow.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:25 pm

I thought the idea of a Super Saiyan Pan was genius and very pleasant to see. I'm pretty sure that there's nothing in Z that says that no girl can turn into a Super Saiyan... That's guide talk, not even GT says that.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:29 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:Well, it's likely this Pan trains with Bra-16, so she's likely a Super Saiyan. Don't be so balls to the walls uptight about it.
I know, but they go on this rant about not liking GT and how they are going to stick with Z and then they go and pull a stunt like this. I would have not had a problem if they considered GT because of Goku Jr. going Super Saiyan. Nevertheless, they make Pan a Super Saiyan when her blood is diluted (according to the Daizenshuu). Bra transforming is understandable because she is half Saiyan and the twist that they could have added was that she started to train. Personally, I would have at least allowed Pan go Gigi-Super Saiyan and that is with GT in mind.

What stunt? She was only 4 years old in the manga and had no need for SSJ in what little we saw from her. Here she's 14 and does need it. Also, just because Pan went SSJ doesn't mean Bra can't. If anything, it's much more likely that she can, since Bra looks like a fighter in this universe and has more Saiyan in her.

Keep in mind that they've already ignored the Daizenshuu by having the movie 9 crew in it. Also, GT ignored the Daizenshuu as well.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:29 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
JulieYBM wrote:Well, it's likely this Pan trains with Bra-16, so she's likely a Super Saiyan. Don't be so balls to the walls uptight about it.
I know, but they go on this rant about not liking GT and how they are going to stick with Z and then they go and pull a stunt like this. I would have not had a problem if they considered GT because of Goku Jr. going Super Saiyan. Nevertheless, they make Pan a Super Saiyan when her blood is diluted (according to the Daizenshuu). Bra transforming is understandable because she is half Saiyan and the twist that they could have added was that she started to train. Personally, I would have at least allowed Pan go Gigi-Super Saiyan and that is with GT in mind.

The Daizenshuu statement can be contested just by the fact that Goku jr. went super sayan if you want to argue how truthful is that statement.

If a movie made by Toei can dismiss that fact, then certainly so can a fan manga which doesn`t even consider GT and probably is considering only the Dragon Ball manga, anime and movies in their work and not Daizenshuu.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:56 pm

They said that they ignored GT altogether and stuck with Z, thus the rules of Z does not apply neither does Goku Jr..

Dayspring some argue that Movie #9 fits with the events of main continuity but yeah I see what you mean. Bojack and his space pirate crew does not show up on the official timeline.

In light of this, Saligir and the gang should have just stated that they were pulling stuff out of their collective asses and to hell with anything official. Instead of the we are above GT blah, blah, blah, we are sticking with Z stuff.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:58 pm

Pan is able to go Super because Vegetto willed it be so.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:00 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:They said that they ignored GT altogether and stuck with Z, thus the rules of Z does not apply neither does Goku Jr..

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In light of this, Saligir and the gang should have just stated that they were pulling stuff out of their collective asses and to hell with anything official. Instead of the we are above GT blah, blah, blah, we are sticking with Z stuff.

Again, there is nothing in Z that says that Pan can or cannot turn into Super Saiyan.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:05 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:They said that they ignored GT altogether and stuck with Z, thus the rules of Z does not apply neither does Goku Jr..

Neither does the Daizenshuu, since they appear to be just considering the manga, anime and movies.

Problem solved.

I just mentioned Goku jr. because EVEN if they were considering GT and the Daizenshuu, it would still be plausible for them to make Pan able to go SSJ because GT (including the movie) and the Daizenshuu`s statement contradict each other.

Only one could be right, and so even if they considered it all, they would have to ignore one. The GT movie or the Daizenshuu.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:13 pm

Saiyan Professor, why are you so dead set on Bra becoming a Super Saiyan?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:15 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:They said that they ignored GT altogether and stuck with Z, thus the rules of Z does not apply neither does Goku Jr..

It just means GT people won't show up, not that they're ignoring the rules of both Z and GT.

Dayspring some argue that Movie #9 fits with the events of main continuity but yeah I see what you mean. Bojack and his space pirate crew does not show up on the official timeline.

Good point. Replace my comment about Bojack with Broli.

In light of this, Saligir and the gang should have just stated that they were pulling stuff out of their collective asses and to hell with anything official. Instead of the we are above GT blah, blah, blah, we are sticking with Z stuff.

It's not a holier than thou attitude at all; they're ignoring everything after the 28th budokai, NMZ and Tarble included. Cell being stronger than Dabura isn't out of their asses, nor is Pan going SSJ.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:16 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Saiyan Professor, why are you so dead set on Bra becoming a Super Saiyan?

-Vegeta/Vegetto's offspring
-HalfSaiyan (DemiSaiyamon?)
-Tits

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:01 pm

Salagir on Page 127 wrote:And for people who still speak of DBGT-Pan, I saw most of DBGT in very very bad quality video, sometimes without subtitles. Even for the few good quality episodes, it's wasn't worth seeing again. Plus I prefer to read the manga, and there isn't any. Conclusion: DBGT Pan does not exists in my mind. I don't remember half of this animated fanfic, and this manga fanfic, it's a totally new Pan, based only on the latest chapters of DB, the manga (See? i'm not even telling she beat Goten)

(In respect for Muten, I'll warn for revelations of my scenario | ideas | anything that isn't already told in the fanmanga so far, from now on)

(DBM "spoiler" ahead)
Pan 18 is a real mirror of little Goku. She is cheerful, fun-minded, very powerful for her age, and likes to fight and train with her beloved grampa Goku.
Pan 16 is a real mirror of little Goku. She is cheerful, fun-minded, very powerful for her age, and likes to fight and train with her beloved grampa Vegetto.
DBGT Pan I don't know about. Maybe she is in universe 21. Whatever. Blah.

So...I guess this confirms the universes only go up to 20.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:36 pm

Just because GT didn't happen in their story doesn't mean they hate it or are sticking to the 'rules' from everything but GT. It just means they decided to take the story in a different direction.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:09 am

Quite frankly, to hell with what the Daizenshuu say about Pan going Super Saiyan, because it's a lame and stupid reason. This is awesome.

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:10 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Quite frankly, to hell with what the Daizenshuu say about Pan going Super Saiyan, because it's a lame and stupid reason. This is awesome.

This

I'd go with manga explanation, there isn't one, so there's no reason for Pan not to transform

Scarz · Post by **Scarz** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:14 am

Pan going Super Saiyan? PAN GOING SUPER SAIYAN!!!!? Yeah, sure, why not? Although I didn't like the idea at first it really doesn't matter. It's a fan comic, hell even if it wasn't why can't she be a super saiyan?

But Pan going super saiyan is a little ridiculous. Wouldn't it be more plausible if Pan turned out to be a great female fighter but instead gave up training because she was out classed by the male leads around her then years later she would become a boring house wife not effecting the plot or story in any way what soever? It's the Dragonball tradition!

Rocketman wrote:Pan is able to go Super because Vegetto willed it be so.

Also wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Saiyan Professor, why are you so dead set on Bra becoming a Super ?
-Vegeta/Vegetto's offspring
-HalfSaiyan (DemiSaiyamon?)
-Tits

Sometimes your comments are just a joy to read. What this? No new chichi avatar this month?

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:23 am

Scarz wrote:Pan going Super Saiyan? PAN GOING SUPER SAIYAN!!!!? Yeah, sure, why not? Although I didn't like the idea at first it really doesn't matter. It's a fan comic, hell even if it wasn't why can't she be a super saiyan?

I personally don't think she should, but I predict that she will. In the real Dragon World, half-breeds are stronger than normal Saiyans? Doesn't make sense, but whatever, I'll let that fly. Now there's a girl who's a quarter Saiyan. I will not accept that she's naturally stronger than a Saiyan. Whether or not this affects her ability to go super, I dunno. But I don't see strength factoring into the equation.

Rocketman wrote:Pan is able to go Super because Vegetto willed it be so.

Also wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Saiyan Professor, why are you so dead set on Bra becoming a Super ?
-Vegeta/Vegetto's offspring
-HalfSaiyan (DemiSaiyamon?)
-Tits
Sometimes your comments are just a joy to read. What this? No new chichi avatar this month?

I agree. I miss the Chi-Chi avatars. Need a suggestion, Rocketman?

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:35 am

Innagadadavida wrote:In the real Dragon World, half-breeds are stronger than normal Saiyans? Doesn't make sense, but whatever, I'll let that fly.

Why doesn't it make sense? Human and Saiyajin work well together for some reason. Maybe human blood has something that Saiyajin blood was lacking and/or vice versa. Being 1/4 may screw with the ratio I suppose, but oh well.

The only thing I have against Pan going Super Saiyajin is that everyone is a fricken Super Saiyajin. Some new power ups would be nice.

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:43 am

Bussani wrote:Why doesn't it make sense? Human and Saiyajin work well together for some reason. Maybe human blood has something that Saiyajin blood was lacking and/or vice versa. Being 1/4 may screw with the ratio I suppose, but oh well.

That's it! There's just no explanation for it. It's always just "some reason." Most phenomena in the Dragon Ball universe have at least an attempt at some vague logic, but the "half-breed boost" is never explained. It just is.