Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Kamiccolo9]

Art is good, but the reasoning for Vegito getting that mad is the absolute stupidest thing I've seen for DBM. (storywise) ...artwise is a tie between Bojack and Bra's specials LOL

Is Vegito REALLY gonna go crazy and kill people JUST because someone didn't respond to a question? REALLY?!???? So f***ing stupid. *sighs, shakes head in disappointment, and facepalms all at once*

We never see him stressed out in the series, so we don't know how he would react to something like this.
For all we know, he's a mix of Goku's immaturity and Vegeta's temper and more, well, homicidal tendencies.
He's not doing anything out of character, because we never see an angry Vegetto in the manga.

[Dr. Machismo]

My idea is just that in Universe 7, Gohan trains with Gast Carcohl and grows up to be similar to his Universe 12 counterpart but around as powerful as Universe 16/18 counterpart. Gast Carcohl also gets psychic powers. U7 Gohan competes in U3 Bardock's place. That does not go against what was established before U3 Bardock appeared. Does it go against what was established after he appeared? Yes, but that's the point. Does that go against what the manga established? Doubt it; explain how it does.

You have yet to state how that is possible without the Old Kaioshin. Your belief has no basis. Ergo it is baseless. Gast kills Boo so there was never a need for Gohan to pull the Z Sword. So that rules out Gohan going to the Kaioshin realm. Mortals are not supposed to be allowed in the Kaioshin realm and since Boo was dealt with By Gast, Gohan would never go to the Kaioshin realm.

It's definitely possible. There could be another being with powers similar or greater to the Old Kai. Do we know if there is? No, but that doesn't matter ... since we don't know of one, I can come up with one. It's an IDEA. Gast may have killed Buu, but that doesn't mean Gohan wouldn't have pulled out the Zeta Sword. The options on how the Buu arc played out in Universe 7 are almost endless here.

So how are they different and how does that make a possible U7 Gohan relevant at all. You need to make a difference. My point of using F. Gohan training is that the mountain training never did that much for him. Even with ROSAT time Gohan would still not reach the potential he has normally. Gast has no understanding of Super Saiyans so he would have no idea how to get Gohan to even transform into a SSJ3. And even if he could that would still pale in comparison to Gohans power up from the Elder Kaioshin.

Events obviously happened differently in Universe 7 than in Universe 12. Depending on how they occur, Gohan would become like U12 counterpart and fight in the tournament. We don't know if Gast has understanding of Super Saiyans or not, so the story could just make it so he DOES have understanding about them. And again, there could be another method that Gast could use to get Gohan as strong as his U16/U18 counterpart.

What use does Gast have for Gohan? Gohan is a worthless meat bag in comparison to him and can't help him in any way, shape or form. Gohan would not abandon his father because of Gast. Gohan has always hated fighting. He loves to study and prefers it over fighting. He isn't going to leave earth for 4 years just for Gast. He is a boy. You yet to raise even a single point why anyone should care about another Gohan showing up and adding nothing.

Gohan offered to help Gast in any way. Traveling with him could be part of helping him. We don't know if Gohan's always hated fighting; at just 5 he probably doesn't realize how much he hates it. Gohan is a boy, yes. So, he might make decisions recklessly.

Just go check out Gast and Palz. It's more consistent then what your coming up with. Take the time to write out everything you want and create a thread for it in the fan created works. Write down your plot, characters, ideas, and then submit it in a new thread. If you really want your idea to work, you can have forum members help you iron out inconsistencies.

My idea obviously can't work at this point. We got U3 Bardock instead of U7 Gohan. We're past the first round. I was saying that "INSTEAD of getting U3 bardock, we SHOULD have got U7 Gohan who is similar to his U12 counterpart in personality and look but his U16/U18 counterpart in strength".

You do not understand what can be done with an idea. It doesn't matter if we don't know something based on the evidence we currently have when making an idea. When you have an idea on how the story should be, you MAKE UP how the story should be. Part of what I'm doing is changing the story of Dragonball Multivierse, too.

[rereboy]

Having a Namekian with the same exact power as movie-Bardock (just because) would be even more amateur and random.

Not at all. Just because it's coincidentally similar to Bardock's abilities doesn't make it an amateur decision. Namekians have unique abilities, so it wouldn't be hard to picture one having the ability to see into the future. I never said he would have the ability "just because"; he could have gotten it when he was created or sometime afterwards. An ability like seeing the future really fits a character like Gast Carcohl.

Sorry, but as a reader, if I read that, I would think of it as random and amateur. It would be obviously based on Bardock's ability but used on another character for whatever reason just because the author wanted to use it, but not use Bardock. And there's no plausible reason for the Namekian to simply develop that ability so whatever the explanation it would probably be kind of cheap.

[dbzfan7]

My idea is just that in Universe 7, Gohan trains with Gast Carcohl and grows up to be similar to his Universe 12 counterpart but around as powerful as Universe 16/18 counterpart. Gast Carcohl also gets psychic powers. U7 Gohan competes in U3 Bardock's place. That does not go against what was established before U3 Bardock appeared. Does it go against what was established after he appeared? Yes, but that's the point. Does that go against what the manga established? Doubt it; explain how it does.

You have yet to state how that is possible without the Old Kaioshin. Your belief has no basis. Ergo it is baseless. Gast kills Boo so there was never a need for Gohan to pull the Z Sword. So that rules out Gohan going to the Kaioshin realm. Mortals are not supposed to be allowed in the Kaioshin realm and since Boo was dealt with By Gast, Gohan would never go to the Kaioshin realm.

It's definitely possible. There could be another being with powers similar or greater to the Old Kai. Do we know if there is? No, but that doesn't matter ... since we don't know of one, I can come up with one. It's an IDEA. Gast may have killed Buu, but that doesn't mean Gohan wouldn't have pulled out the Zeta Sword. The options on how the Buu arc played out in Universe 7 are almost endless here.

So how are they different and how does that make a possible U7 Gohan relevant at all. You need to make a difference. My point of using F. Gohan training is that the mountain training never did that much for him. Even with ROSAT time Gohan would still not reach the potential he has normally. Gast has no understanding of Super Saiyans so he would have no idea how to get Gohan to even transform into a SSJ3. And even if he could that would still pale in comparison to Gohans power up from the Elder Kaioshin.

Events obviously happened differently in Universe 7 than in Universe 12. Depending on how they occur, Gohan would become like U12 counterpart and fight in the tournament. We don't know if Gast has understanding of Super Saiyans or not, so the story could just make it so he DOES have understanding about them. And again, there could be another method that Gast could use to get Gohan as strong as his U16/U18 counterpart.

What use does Gast have for Gohan? Gohan is a worthless meat bag in comparison to him and can't help him in any way, shape or form. Gohan would not abandon his father because of Gast. Gohan has always hated fighting. He loves to study and prefers it over fighting. He isn't going to leave earth for 4 years just for Gast. He is a boy. You yet to raise even a single point why anyone should care about another Gohan showing up and adding nothing.

Gohan offered to help Gast in any way. Traveling with him could be part of helping him. We don't know if Gohan's always hated fighting; at just 5 he probably doesn't realize how much he hates it. Gohan is a boy, yes. So, he might make decisions recklessly.

Just go check out Gast and Palz. It's more consistent then what your coming up with. Take the time to write out everything you want and create a thread for it in the fan created works. Write down your plot, characters, ideas, and then submit it in a new thread. If you really want your idea to work, you can have forum members help you iron out inconsistencies.

My idea obviously can't work at this point. We got U3 Bardock instead of U7 Gohan. We're past the first round. I was saying that "INSTEAD of getting U3 bardock, we SHOULD have got U7 Gohan who is similar to his U12 counterpart in personality and look but his U16/U18 counterpart in strength".

You do not understand what can be done with an idea. It doesn't matter if we don't know something based on the evidence we currently have when making an idea. When you have an idea on how the story should be, you MAKE UP how the story should be. Part of what I'm doing is changing the story of Dragonball Multivierse, too.

Dude I'm sick and tired of arguing. Your idea is poor fanfiction. I have explained the faults and why it doesn't work. You keep using the unknown as an argument which can never be used without some basis. I see you ignore every point I make. If you want to base your ideas of of a series (or in this case a series based of another series) you need to follow the rules established. You answer everything with "Well maybe this is possible and so is that" without any citations of how so. There is no reason for me to converse with you any longer. Also as stated above I would add you need a lot of polish to your idea which you can get help with but you don't accept what is wrong with it.

[Dr. Machismo]

Dude I'm sick and tired of arguing. Your idea is poor fanfiction. I have explained the faults and why it doesn't work. You keep using the unknown as an argument which can never be used without some basis. I see you ignore every point I make. If you want to base your ideas of of a series (or in this case a series based of another series) you need to follow the rules established. You answer everything with "Well maybe this is possible and so is that" without any citations of how so. There is no reason for me to converse with you any longer.

Again, you don't understand what can happen with an idea. It doesn't matter if we don't know something when making an idea. Since you don't know it, you can make it up. We don't know what happens after Goku left with Uub. So, I could create a series covering that. It doesn't matter that we don't know what happened afterwards. And I see you ignore every point I make.

[dbzfan7]

Dude I'm sick and tired of arguing. Your idea is poor fanfiction. I have explained the faults and why it doesn't work. You keep using the unknown as an argument which can never be used without some basis. I see you ignore every point I make. If you want to base your ideas of of a series (or in this case a series based of another series) you need to follow the rules established. You answer everything with "Well maybe this is possible and so is that" without any citations of how so. There is no reason for me to converse with you any longer.

Again, you don't understand what can happen with an idea. It doesn't matter if we don't know something when making an idea. Since you don't know it, you can make it up. We don't know what happens after Goku left with Uub. So, I could create a series covering that. It doesn't matter that we don't know what happened afterwards. And I see you ignore every point I make.

So I can make Goku discover he is actually a female when training with Oob. If you answer yes, then you don't understand continuity do you.

[Kamiccolo9]

Dude I'm sick and tired of arguing. Your idea is poor fanfiction. I have explained the faults and why it doesn't work. You keep using the unknown as an argument which can never be used without some basis. I see you ignore every point I make. If you want to base your ideas of of a series (or in this case a series based of another series) you need to follow the rules established. You answer everything with "Well maybe this is possible and so is that" without any citations of how so. There is no reason for me to converse with you any longer.

Again, you don't understand what can happen with an idea. It doesn't matter if we don't know something when making an idea. Since you don't know it, you can make it up. We don't know what happens after Goku left with Uub. So, I could create a series covering that. It doesn't matter that we don't know what happened afterwards. And I see you ignore every point I make.

So I can make Goku discover he is actually a female when training with Oob. If you answer yes, then you don't understand continuity do you.

That was one crazy night with the dragonballs, I tell you.

[Gyt Kaliba]

So I can make Goku discover he is actually a female when training with Oob. If you answer yes, then you don't understand continuity do you.

That was one crazy night with the dragonballs, I tell you.

...I'm not sure I like the way this story might be heading.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Dude I'm sick and tired of arguing. Your idea is poor fanfiction. I have explained the faults and why it doesn't work. You keep using the unknown as an argument which can never be used without some basis. I see you ignore every point I make. If you want to base your ideas of of a series (or in this case a series based of another series) you need to follow the rules established. You answer everything with "Well maybe this is possible and so is that" without any citations of how so. There is no reason for me to converse with you any longer.

Again, you don't understand what can happen with an idea. It doesn't matter if we don't know something when making an idea. Since you don't know it, you can make it up. We don't know what happens after Goku left with Uub. So, I could create a series covering that. It doesn't matter that we don't know what happened afterwards. And I see you ignore every point I make.

You don't seem to understand what poor writing is.

[Dr. Machismo]

Dude I'm sick and tired of arguing. Your idea is poor fanfiction. I have explained the faults and why it doesn't work. You keep using the unknown as an argument which can never be used without some basis. I see you ignore every point I make. If you want to base your ideas of of a series (or in this case a series based of another series) you need to follow the rules established. You answer everything with "Well maybe this is possible and so is that" without any citations of how so. There is no reason for me to converse with you any longer.

Again, you don't understand what can happen with an idea. It doesn't matter if we don't know something when making an idea. Since you don't know it, you can make it up. We don't know what happens after Goku left with Uub. So, I could create a series covering that. It doesn't matter that we don't know what happened afterwards. And I see you ignore every point I make.

So I can make Goku discover he is actually a female when training with Oob. If you answer yes, then you don't understand continuity do you.

That would retcon canonical information we knew before. My idea only changes what happened in Universe 3, the tournament and adds to what happened in Universe 7.

You don't seem to understand what poor writing is.

That's a matter of opinion. But based on facts, there is nothing wrong with my idea.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Not really. Baseless ideas that only satisfies one person, you, isn't a good writing.

[Dr. Machismo]

Not really. Baseless ideas that only satisfies one person, you, isn't a good writing.

It's a matter of opinion if my idea is satisfactory or not.

[dbzfan7]

That would retcon canonical information we knew before. My idea only changes what happen in Universe 3, the tournament and adds to what happened in Universe 7.

But your giving Gast an ability that goes against Namek traditions without any clarification and breaking Gohans character. Your also trying to come up with possibilities that don't exist. Since your basing your story on DBM, you need to follow their rules (no matter how stupid they are). Why can't my idea work. Toriyama made a God of Destruction out of nowhere years later and retconed Bra to being younger than Pan. If that can happen then surely Goku could be secretly a woman.

That's a matter of opinion. But based on facts, there is nothing wrong with my idea.

And this is why your idea will never satisfy anyone but yourself if your too blind to see the faults. You had several people point out the problems and you took 0 consideration from them. I suggest you write out a first draft. You could easily get support if you admit to the mistakes and holes in your story.

We as fans of Dragon Ball don't want to discourage you. But when we see problems they will be pointed out.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Not really. Baseless ideas that only satisfies one person, you, isn't a good writing.

It's a matter of opinion if my idea is satisfactory or not.

And who does this satisfy, other than yourself? So far you're not getting good feedback.

[Dr. Machismo]

And who does this satisfy, other than yourself? So far you're not getting good feedback.

Only three people have commented on it.

But your giving Gast an ability that goes against Namek traditions without any clarification and breaking Gohans character. Your also trying to come up with possibilities that don't exist. Since your basing your story on DBM, you need to follow their rules (no matter how stupid they are).

That still doesn't retcon anything. Gast doesn't have to get the ability, too. And I'm not breaking Gohan's character. I am not trying to come up with possiblities that don't exist. My story is based off of DBM, but I could just change the rules of DBM, which is part of the point of my idea.

And this is why your idea will never succeed if your too blind to see the faults. You had several people point out the problems and you took 0 consideration from them. I suggest you right a list right now of your story or write out a first draft.

Three people is not several people. I don't have to take terrible feedback into consideration.

[TheMightyOzaru]

That's still 1/4. Not very good odds.

[dbzfan7]

And who does this satisfy, other than yourself? So far you're not getting good feedback.

Only three people have commented on it.

But your giving Gast an ability that goes against Namek traditions without any clarification and breaking Gohans character. Your also trying to come up with possibilities that don't exist. Since your basing your story on DBM, you need to follow their rules (no matter how stupid they are).

That still doesn't retcon anything. Gast doesn't have to get the ability, too. And I'm not breaking Gohan's character. I am not trying to come up with possiblities that don't exist. My story is based off of DBM, but I could just change the rules of DBM, which is part of the point of my idea.

And this is why your idea will never succeed if your too blind to see the faults. You had several people point out the problems and you took 0 consideration from them. I suggest you right a list right now of your story or write out a first draft.

Three people is not several people. I don't have to take terrible feedback into consideration.

Do what ever you want man. I really don't care anymore.

[Dr. Machismo]

That's still 1/3. Not very good odds.

Means nothing. None of you have successfully debunked my idea.

Do what ever you want man. I really don't care anymore.

Don't get the impression that you were right in what you were saying, dude. You weren't. You clearly do not understand what privileges one gets when coming up with an idea about something unexplained. Because the thing is unexplained, one can come up with their own explanation for it. My idea was that the Gohan from Universe 7 should have competed in this tournament, taking U3 Bardock's place. He would be similar to his U12 counterpart in looks and personality, but similar to his U16/U18 counterpart in strength. Gast Carcohl would be the one with psychic powers that allow him to see the future. You people questioned how U7 Gohan would be so powerful, and I explained that Gast Carcohl could have decided to train him. It was questioned how Gast Carcohl would be able to make Gohan so powerful through training him. Gast Carcohl could just be a very rigorous mentor, applied some technique on Gohan, made Gohan train in a certain way, and/or Gohan could have had his potential unlocked by Old Kai. It was questioned how Gast Carcohl would be able to see in the future. He could have gotten it when or sometime after he was born.

Now, do we know if Gast decided to train Gohan? No. But I'm saying that he SHOULD have trained Gohan. I'm not saying that he did. I'm saying that he should have trained him. Do we know if Gast Carcohl could have made Gohan so powerful? No, but I'm saying that he should have. Do we know how? No, but I came up with how he could have: training him or pulling out his potential. Would training him be enough to make Gohan so powerful? We don't know, but I'm saying that it SHOULD be enough. There are plenty of different ways to train someone, so there could have been a regimen that succeeded in making Gohan so powerful. It was never declared by any canonical source that there wasn't a certain training regimen one could take in order to become as powerful as say Bills, so I could come up with one. Do we know if Gast Carcohl can bring out people's potentials? No, but I'm saying that he could. Since Gast is a merge of several Namekians (more than two), maybe that gave him the ability to pull out people's potentials. Or Gast Carcohl gained that ability sometime after he was created. Do we know if Gohan would have met Old Kai and had his potential unlocked by him? No, but I'm saying that he could have met. How can anyone not understand this?

My idea does not create inconsistencies with the canon. Does it create inconsistencies with DBM? My idea is perfectly consistent with what was established before U3 Bardock arrived. It's supposed to CHANGE what happened since he appeared.

[Draken]

Don't get the impression that you were right in what you were saying, dude. You weren't. You clearly do not understand what privileges one gets when coming up with an idea about something unexplained. Because the thing is unexplained, one can come up with their own explanation for it.

Did you know that Goku also has Super Kami Guru's special ability? Due to his Other Worldy training, time spent on Namek, and being Goku, he learned through several years of intense training the power to bring someone to their full potential. It takes several long hours to replicate a similar end product to the one Super Kami Guru can do in seconds, but yet for some reason he can. Unfortunately, it was never explained how, exactly when, why, or where Goku actually learned this specific powerup, and he was never shown to use it, but I say he can.

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In a nutshell that's what you're saying.

[Rocketman]

Except that's believable because ~*~*~*GOKU*~*~*~.